Hey I was wondering how you guys feel about women who smoke. I notice a lot of hot chicks at bars smoking, but I find it a bit of a turnoff. Nicotine breath on a woman is really unattractive. I guess what I am asking is smoking an automatic deal killer?
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Unattractive, yes. Deal killer, no. Sadly alot of hot women smoke, well at least i my neck of the woods.
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My general rule is if it's a ONS or STR, I don't care. But LTR no way, couldn't stand being around cig smoke or that smell all the time. It is a turn off but if it's a one night thing I could care less.
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Goddamn you brothers are insidiously narrow and self absorbed. You need perspective. Don't think of things as a right here, right now mentality. Have a broader and more in depth view of women and, in particular, the value of choice. If a woman smokes who the fvck are you to give an opinion or worst deny her her opportunity to choose?
Granted, women have expectations of what she wants from her men, however, we all know that it's us who have the ultimate say of what we choose to give her. Why the sudden hypocrisy because she does something she wants that you don't approve of?
Granted, women have expectations of what she wants from her men, however, we all know that it's us who have the ultimate say of what we choose to give her. Why the sudden hypocrisy because she does something she wants that you don't approve of?
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If she smokes, she pokes. 
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Though it is not one of my Karmic Laws it is my theory that women who smoke, swallow. And they tend to be more explorative in thier sexuality.
War Against Betaism
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No, I smoke and smoked with women before. In fact, I've smoked weed with women before.
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Keep in my mind, alot of people who don't smoke will smoke in bars.
I think almost everybody I know will smoke while they drink in the bar and then never smoke outside the bar.
I think almost everybody I know will smoke while they drink in the bar and then never smoke outside the bar.
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Teflon brings up a very interesting point. I too have noticed that people say: "Oh no, I'm not a smoker but I smoke when I drink." I believe these people harbor deep hangups about doing what they want without impunity due to guilt or self remorse or other bullsh!t excuses.
These chickensh!ts love to use the: "I'm drunk so go ahead and fvck me in all of my holes so I can use the excuse later on that I was drinking." When thier conscience is confronted and guilt kicks in.
These chickensh!ts love to use the: "I'm drunk so go ahead and fvck me in all of my holes so I can use the excuse later on that I was drinking." When thier conscience is confronted and guilt kicks in.
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You know, I noticed I never smoke alone. Smoking is something to elevate conversation in social gatherings. At least where I'm from, if you smoke alone, you're looked down upon.Teflon_Mcgee said:
tsmith2334
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Cigarettes are a turn-off but if a girl smokes blunts I think it's pretty sexy. Especially when we smoke a blunt together.