"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Casual friends to lovers?

NickSCFC2000

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Has anyone here ever had experience of this?

Perhaps not best friends or even close friends, but work colleagues or classmates that you were friends with before you got into a relationship with them.

How did this work out for you, what experiences have you had, good OR bad
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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tsmith2334

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I'm working on that right now.

I try to stay in the "casual friend" zone with someone I'm interested in. It's kind of like backwards thinking (i.e. you don't want to get too close to them), but based on the laws of attraction, it should be the route to take.
 

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Beware of sexual tension though because if it exists and you mean to hold off the girl as "casual friends" until you plan on making the move, it'll be too late. She'll take you as either too much of a pu$$y or uninterested.
 

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These guys are noobs. Don't listen to 'em. :whistle:

The BEST relationships out there are people who start off casual friends...trust me. Almost every GF I've ever had started off as a casual friend (I don't have any close female friends...most girls my age are too damn flighty.)

Now, don't go trying to hang out with them all the time unless you've got the balls to make a move. They already like you for some reason if they agree to go out...make your intentions clear. It's much easier to be direct than play a bunch of fvcking games.
 

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MooseGod said:
These guys are noobs. Don't listen to 'em. :whistle:

The BEST relationships out there are people who start off casual friends...trust me. Almost every GF I've ever had started off as a casual friend (I don't have any close female friends...most girls my age are too damn flighty.)

Now, don't go trying to hang out with them all the time unless you've got the balls to make a move. They already like you for some reason if they agree to go out...make your intentions clear. It's much easier to be direct than play a bunch of fvcking games.
What do you mean by girls your age being flighty?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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tsmith2334

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MooseGod said:
These guys are noobs. Don't listen to 'em. :whistle:

The BEST relationships out there are people who start off casual friends...trust me. Almost every GF I've ever had started off as a casual friend
That's what I said before, dude. I try to keep a girl in the "casual friend" zone if I'm interested (before trying to escalate). The more the friendship flourishes, the more your chances of a relationship decrease.
 
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