"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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C&F When to stop

Analyzeit

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I pretty much have always been a complete natural and C&F when i read guides on it, there almost exact replicas of my conversations or i could probably right my own guide and it would put most of those guides to shame.

But after i get a bit of playful hitting and all that crap from a girl (is that even a good sign????) I feel i lose it a little and they get bored of it as if they just want a normal conversation, which I happen to be nice and bad at and whats worse i already know a lot about them by then and can't even start a conversation easily.

I was just wondering if you think I'm on the right lines with this?? oh and if playful hitting and all that crap is a good sign coz i sure get it a lot
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Cassanova_Child

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Analyzeit said:
I pretty much have always been a complete natural and C&F when i read guides on it, there almost exact replicas of my conversations or i could probably right my own guide and it would put most of those guides to shame.

But after i get a bit of playful hitting and all that crap from a girl (is that even a good sign????) I feel i lose it a little and they get bored of it as if they just want a normal conversation, which I happen to be nice and bad at and whats worse i already know a lot about them by then and can't even start a conversation easily.

I was just wondering if you think I'm on the right lines with this?? oh and if playful hitting and all that crap is a good sign coz i sure get it a lot
C+F is well and good as a supplement to your regular game, and when you're talking. but you cant rely on it. throw some other stuff in, tell stories, tease them, etc...

and yes, playful hitting is a good sign.
 

War Against Betaism

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There isn't a time to stop when it comes to C&F. David DeAngelo wasn't lying when he said you can use it over and over again. There is truly no limit to it. The thing is C&F and "normal conversations" go hand in hand; you can't really C&F unless you have the base of having "normal conversations" fixed in there.

This is what I kind of don't like about David D's teachings. He dissects C&F from normal conversation and makes it seem like raw C&F is a sure fire method to get women to get people to buy his sh1t when in reality C&F and how you normally talk to women (unless you're an AFC) are actually part of the whole formula.
 
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