"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Books on wittiness/having good conversation?

youngmack

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Do any of you guys know any good books on becoming a good conversationalist and having good conversations? This is the part of my game SUCKS BIG time. I never know what to say and i am unable to guage her interest with good conversations.

My convos are always boring...i cant flirt, no witty things to make her laugh..nothing at all. Help please.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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SamTheHobit

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You just have to practice Bro, no book is gonna help you with this aspect of your life.
 

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This might be where PUA stuff might help you get the ball rolling. Not the actual material, but they have a lot of resources on how to hold a conversation.
 

youngmack

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@sam how do i practice doing this?

@kbomb pua material from where? Do you have any specific links??

I really need to get this part of my game tight. I attract HB8s and 9s but inalso bore then away with my convos. I always seem to kill their interests. Im such a bore.
 

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Dale Carnegie, author of How To Win Friends and Influence People, once astutely observed the best conversationalists are those who let the other person do all the talking. Listen carefully for "seeds," which are little things people say which you can build upon. This is the same principle taught in improv comedy classes: "Yes and," agree & amplify.

Law 4: Always Say Less than Necessary
When you are trying to impress people with words, the more you say, the more common you appear, and the less in control. Even if you are saying something banal, it will seem original if you make it vague, open-ended, and sphinxlike. Powerful people impress and intimidate by saying less. The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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youngmack

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I know it sound funny omega but without good or decent social skills one cannot be successful with women... Its not just for women i need this for even my male friends get bored of me. I barely have any friends to begin with. Largely because my conversation skills are doo doo.
 

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eh im not gonna front I'm a pretty quiet person who stays to myself so i shouldn't be laughing but I mean talk about anything, sports, movies, the weather lol, favorites clothes, stuff in the media
 
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