Beta providers

Die Hard

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Messages
1,741
Reaction score
310
I've dated plenty of girls over the years and I sometimes look them up on social media. So many of them are now settling down, getting married, living together, having kids and all that. It's so funny to see that the great majority of them have the exact same type of guy that they're settling down with: He looks like a weakling, very kind and sweet, a softy, often even a bit nerdy, the exact opposite of "badass". In other words, a beta...

You can see how this guy will always say "Yes, dear..." when she puts the pressure on him. He will never be able to deal with her emotional storms, he'll just respond to those by NOT putting up a fight and letting her have her way, instead of standing up for himself and putting her in her place. He's the perfect victim, she will have him in her control and he'll provide her with a carefree life.

When I see this, I realize that pretty much none of the girls I dated in my life would've been a fit for me in the long term. I gotta say, it's a bit depressing. It seems you're either the guy she wants to fvck or you're the guy she wants to have a stable, long term relationship with (but it requires you to be a loser!). So I guess I really am better off giving up on a LTR and just pursuing sex instead. Yet, I can't make that transition, it just feels hollow and pointless just to pursue sex and never having a great connection where you and her really complement each other's lifes and can build something stable.

Sometimes I do try to push myself to that attitude. I just give up on the hope that a woman can be more than a cvm dumpster... But when I adopt that mindset, it shows through my behavior. The girls realize that I just see them as a cvm dumpster and therefor will not give themselves up to me. They want me to really "like" them. But I don't lol... I think they're disgusting with all their arrogance, their hypergamous habits, their treacherous and manipulative ways, their double standards and hypocrisy etc. So no, I don't like them! I just want to fvck them coz they don't deserve anything more than that... But when they realize this is the way I feel about things, obviously they won't co-operate haha!

So the trick is to act as if I do like them, I guess? I have a hard time with that... I wish I could find a girl who's worthy of being more than a cvm dumpster, so each time I meet a girl who isn't that, I'm disappointed and I just can't hide it. I tell myself "Oh well, she's another worthless piece of shyt, but she does look hot so let's just try to fvck her" But because deep down I'm disappointed, I cannot act convincingly as if I like her. Actually, I just can't have genuine fun and enjoy a girl when I notice that she's just another superficial, untrustworthy, treacherous, arrogant, hypocritical piece of azz. They often notice this, and then pull away.

In the past, I was foolish and thought many girls were nice and sweet, not aware that it's all just a facade. So I really liked them and could genuinely act that out, therefor they liked being around me. Thus, I got laid a lot more! Nowadays, I see through their facade and I simply don't like them anymore, so I don't genuinely act like that either and therefor they don't like being around me.

I wish I somehow could really let go of my disappointment, so it wouldn't hold me back from smashing all the girls around me, lol. But how can I let go of my disappointment without letting go of the expectation that fuels the disappointment? Should I really give up on the idea that I can find someone who's good for me in the long term? Someone I could settle down with? To think that this is not possible makes me depressed and nihilistic, makes me wanna give up on women altogether. Furthermore, if brainless sex with no connection or no hope for anything else is all that remains.... Then why go through all the effort of texting, dating blahblah that is needed to get the sex? Seems like a big investment with a small reward. I'd rather watch porn and use my right hand, that's a whole lot easier!

I just feel stuck and caught in without seeing a way out.
 
Last edited:

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
9,004
Reaction score
4,321
Location
DFW, TX
I've dated plenty of girls over the years and I sometimes look them up on social media. So many of them are now settling down, getting married, living together, having kids and all that. It's so funny to see that the great majority of them have the exact same type of guy that they're settling down with: He looks like a weakling, very kind and sweet, a softy, often even a bit nerdy, the exact opposite of "badass". In other words, a beta...

You can see how this guy will always say "Yes, dear..." when she puts the pressure on him. He will never be able to deal with her emotional storms, he'll just respond to those by NOT putting up a fight and letting her have her way, instead of standing up for himself and putting her in her place. He's the perfect victim, she will have him in her control and he'll provide her with anything she needs.

When I see this, I realize that pretty much none of the girls I dated in my life would've been a fit for me in the long term. I gotta say, it's a bit depressing. It seems you're either the guy she wants to fvck or you're the guy she wants to have a stable, long term relationship with. So I guess I really am better off giving up on a LTR and just pursuing sex instead. Yet, I can't make that transition, it just feels hollow and pointless just to pursue sex and never having a great connection where you and her really complement each other's lifes and can build something stable.

Sometimes I do try to push myself to that attitude. I just give up on the hope that a woman can be more than a *** dumpster... But when I adopt that mindset, it shows through my behavior. The girls realize that I just see them as a *** dumpster and therefor will not give themselves up to me. They want me to really "like" them. But I don't lol... I think they're disgusting with all their arrogance, their hypergamous habits, their treacherous and manipulative ways etc. So no, I don't like them! I just want to fvck them coz they don't deserve anything more than that... But when they realize this, they won't co-operate haha!

So the trick is to act as if I do like them, I guess? I have a hard time with that... I wish I could find a girl who's worthy of being more than a *** dumpster, so each time I meet a girl who isn't that, I'm disappointed and I just can't hide it. I tell myself "Oh well, she's another worthless piece of shyt, but she does look hot so let's just try to fvck her" But because deep down I'm disappointed, I cannot act convincingly as if I like her. Actually, I just can't have genuine fun and enjoy a girl when I notice that she's just another superficial, untrustworthy, treacherous, arrogant, hypocritical piece of azz. They often notice this, and then pull away.

In the past, I was foolish and thought many girls were nice and sweet, not aware that it's all just a facade. So I really liked them and could genuinely act that out, therefor they liked being around me. Nowadays, I see through their facade and I simply don't like them anymore, so I don't genuinely act like that either and therefor they don't like being around me.

I wish I somehow could really let go of my disappointment, so it wouldn't hold me back from smashing all the girls around me, lol. But how can I let go of my disappointment without letting go of the expectation that fuels the disappointment? Should I really give up on the idea that I can find someone who's good for me in the long term? Someone I could settle down with? To think that this is not possible makes me depressed and nihilistic, makes me wanna give up on women altogether. Furthermore, if brainless sex with no connection or no hope for anything else is all that remains.... Then why go through all the effort of texting, dating blahblah that is needed to get the sex? Seems like a big investment with a small reward. I'd rather watch porn and use my right hand, that's a whole lot easier!

I just feel stuck and caught in without seeing a way out.
So whats the psychology required to be able to enjoy them after the whool has been pulled from your eyes?
 

Die Hard

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Messages
1,741
Reaction score
310
So whats the psychology required to be able to enjoy them after the whool has been pulled from your eyes?
The only way I see it working is by extinguishing your hopes and expectations. If you don't have that hope and expectation for women to provide you with something more than sex, you can't get disappointed with them either.

I just don't think I'm able to do that. Not right now anyway... It's not like some switch you just turn off in your head...
I guess there's truth in the idea that you should seek inside yourself what you seek in women. A man's happiness should not be dependant on a woman. Why does a guy wish for a genuine relationship with a woman anyway? Something he never experienced from his parents during childhood, therefor trying to get it from a woman later on in life?

Or is it the opposite? If you experienced that from your parents as a child, you naturally seek to have that kind of bond with a woman later on in life?

All I know is my relationship with my parents (especially my mother) was very fvcked up. And so are my "relationships" with women later on in life...

I do see kind of a solution to the problem by going for women who are below your Sexual Market Value. They show me respect, they are nice, they are honest, I can have good conversations with them, they are genuine, they're not hypocrite, I can connect with them (but don't want to, lol). That's basically what Desdinova went for too and he's quite happy with his relationship.

In a way, that's the same thing those exes I looked up on social media did. They went for a guy who's not that sexually attractive, but he's kind and sweet and gives her no trouble. He provides her with a stable, loving, caring relationship. And when she wants her sexual needs to be fulfilled, she goes on girl's night out with her friends and fvcks some badass Chad in the club...

I've often thought about doing this too. Just find a sweet girl who's kinda acceptable in the looks department but provides you with a stable, loving, caring relationship. It will bring a lot of good to your life, rest and stability... Then have hotter girls on the side to fulfill your need to have hot and steamy sex with slutty girls and fvck their brains out!!!

Makes me think of Tony Soprano, lol. His wife wasn't very attractive but she was good to him, a good mother to his kids, provided a stable household, took care of him. On the side he was fvcking hot chicks all the time, some were strippers, some were BPD bytches, all low self-esteem crazy bytches that a man wouldn't be able to live in the same house with for a month without going crazy and wanting to beat the crap out of them for their impossible behavior.

The two rarely go together... Not to say it's impossible, but if you're gonna hold out to find that rare gem of a woman who combines the hot and sexy traits with the "good girl" traits, you might end up waiting forever and not getting anything. Perhaps it's better to go for the second-best option by settling down with a girl of lower SMV and keeping higher SMV girls on the side.

Then again, could you really have a good relationship with a woman while you're banging other chicks behind her back? Food for thought...
 
Last edited:

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
9,004
Reaction score
4,321
Location
DFW, TX
The only way I see it working is by extinguishing your hopes and expectations. If you don't have that hope and expectation for women to provide you with something more than sex, you can't get disappointed with them either.

I just don't think I'm able to do that. Not right now anyway... It's not like some switch you just turn off in your head...
I guess there's truth in the idea that you should seek inside yourself what you seek in women. A man's happiness should not be dependant on a woman. Why does a guy wish for a genuine relationship with a woman anyway? Something he never experienced from his parents during childhood, therefor trying to get it from a woman later on in life?

Or is it the opposite? If you experienced that from your parents as a child, you naturally seek to have that kind of bond with a woman later on in life?

All I know is my relationship with my parents (especially my mother) was very fvcked up. And so are my "relationships" with women later on in life...
I mean if their character is too disgusting to get aroused for, how do we unsee that? Man and woman are designed to need each other. The recent bullshyt in the last 50 yrs is systemic not natural.
 

kingvavy

Don Juan
Joined
Jun 3, 2014
Messages
82
Reaction score
48
All I know is my relationship with my parents (especially my mother) was very fvcked up. And so are my "relationships" with women later on in life...
!!
Good for you for recognizing this. If your relationship with your Mom was ****ed (mine was too), than you’re always going to be looking to recreate (with women) the ‘perfect’ relationship to try and make up for what you should have received as a kid from your Mom, but sadly never did...You call the women you sleep with cym bags, hoes, etc., because it’s easier to pump and dump than face the pain of your childhood.

I would go without sex, (including porn and masturbation,) and give up all drugs/alcohol for at least 6 months. While doing this, talk about your childhood with a qualified therapist. Tell the therapist that you want an LTR, but you see all women as being unworthy. The therapist can help you understand your past which in turn will allow you to accept a woman who may not be perfect. Everyone has good and bad qualities. Do your good and bad qualities square up with hers? That is the jigsaw puzzle...

If your frame is based mostly on covering up a messed up childhood, than it’s not really much of a frame. I’d tear the frame away, face what needs to be faced, and build it up again...that is not an easy thing to do which is why most people (men and women) prefer to play.
 
Last edited:

How This "Nice Guy" Steals Women from Jerks

Did you know a woman can be totally UN-ATTRACTED to you...

And she'll still sleep with you?

If you've ever seen a girl go home with some asshole she didn't even LIKE, you know this is true.

But how is this possible?

Because deep inside her brain, sexual desire has nothing to do with what you LOOK like...

And everything to do with how you make her FEEL.

Matt Cook knows this all too well.

Matt is a nice guy... but he steals women from JERKS all the time.

In this free video training below, he'll show you how he does it:

How to Control Her Emotions and Make Her Chase You

Crown

Don Juan
Joined
Jan 14, 2019
Messages
143
Reaction score
117
I think you're damaging yourself for no reason. There will never be the one you're looking for simply because relationships are illusional and irrational encounters. You, aswell, you are the result of an irrational meeting between two persons.

Even If you find someone that suits you good, a time will come your emotions will tell you otherwise, because emotions and feelings don't last for ever. A person can please you for 5 years, then disgust you for what remains of your life, because your brain decided so.

If you're trully looking for someone, you'll need to find a women that understands human nature and the irrational feelings of the human brain and she'll need to be able to fight it.
 

Die Hard

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Messages
1,741
Reaction score
310
I mean if their character is too disgusting to get aroused for, how do we unsee that? Man and woman are designed to need each other. The recent bullshyt in the last 50 yrs is systemic not natural.
I don't know, man. You have to brainwash yourself, I guess... Some guys seem to have no problem with it, like guru1000. Then again, he is or has become quite the narcissist. I may remember incorrectly but I believe he once said he set up dates with two women on the same evening, in the same restaurant. Then moved on from the first to the second, without making it a secret to any of them, I believe.

That's some next level coldhearted azzhole stuff haha. I seriously couldn't treat women like that without my conscience getting the better of me and feeling bad about myself. I'm slowly moving in that direction, though... With every disappointment I experience when dealing with women's behavior, I slowly become less sensitive towards their feelings.

But that kinda turns into pre-emptively treating women like shyt. I'm inclined to give women the benefit of the doubt and treat them fairly until they show me their bad side. Ironically, their bad side may actually appear BECAUSE I treat them fairly (and they take my kindness for weakness...) Treat them more like shyt from the beginning and they'll think twice before showing their bad side....
It's all about finding balance, though. Don't treat them like absolute shyt but don't put them on pedestals either. There is some perfect middle ground between those to extremes. I suck at finding that, to be honest... And to make things more difficult, the right approach for one girl isn't the right approach for another girl. Some need to be treated like shyt more than others, some may need to be treated more fairly than others... Good luck solving that puzzle, I admit I have a hard time with that.

I also wonder once you've desensitized enough to women's terrible behavior, will you even be able to recognize a "good girl" and even be able to treat her as such? This thread comes to mind: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/gender-struggle-escalation.188294/#post-1850947

Then take the terrible societal changes into account... In the past, people used to live in a village and never meet many potential mates. The son of the local butcher would meet the daughter of the local milkman and they'd get into a relationship. If they got in a fight or didn't like certain things about each other, they'd stick in there together and try to work through it. Why? Well, finding a new mate wasn't as easy as it seems nowadays. The world has become one big village, escpecially with the rise of social media.
Bytches got overinflated egos and will replace a guy easily, lots of Instagram suitors are standing in line for them...
And what do we teach here? Abundance mentality, aim high, qualify all the girls you meet, if they don't submit to your frame you move on to the next. So both us and them feel little need to make an effort to make things "work".
 
Last edited:

speed dawg

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 9, 2006
Messages
4,522
Reaction score
881
Location
The Dirty South
There is something to this. I know a lot of alpha guys that play this role once they get married. But you also have to be a decent person to your wife. I've often said you need these things to stay married:

1 - Agree on religion, politics and finances
2 - Both parents must approve of the other person
3 - Person should be similar to you (kids, education, etc.)

Without all that, marriage shouldn't even be a question. The hard part is, once you find someone like that, you must continue to apply red pill/DJ principles. Some do, some don't. A lot of people stop once they find somebody like that in their own 'class' and honestly, a lot of women feel pressured to stay in relationships like that due to the security and social pressure. That's why they end up spending tons of money in an effort to find some fulfillment somewhere along the line while the husband is talking about "the boss" or some equally pathetic line.
 

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
9,004
Reaction score
4,321
Location
DFW, TX
I don't know, man. You have to brainwash yourself, I guess... Some guys seem to have no problem with it, like guru1000. Then again, he is or has become quite the narcissist. I may remember incorrectly but I believe he once said he set up dates with two women on the same evening, in the same restaurant. Then moved on from the first to the second, without making it a secret to any of them, I believe.

That's some next level coldhearted azzhole stuff haha. I seriously couldn't treat women like that without my conscience getting the better of me and feeling bad about myself. I'm slowly moving in that direction, though... With every disappointment I experience when dealing with women's behavior, I slowly become less sensitive towards their feelings.

But that kinda turns into pre-emptively treating women like shyt. I'm inclined to give women the benefit of the doubt and treat them fairly until they show me their bad side. Ironically, their bad side may actually appear BECAUSE I treat them fairly (and they take my kindness for weakness...) Treat them more like shyt from the beginning and they'll think twice before showing their bad side....
It's all about finding balance, though. Don't treat them like absolute shyt but don't put them on pedestals either. There is some perfect middle ground between those to extremes. I suck at finding that, to be honest... And to make things more difficult, the right approach for one girl isn't the right approach for another girl. Some need to be treated like shyt more than others, some may need to be treated more fairly than others... Good luck solving that puzzle, I admit I have a hard time with that.

I also wonder once you've desensitized enough to women's terrible behavior, will you even be able to recognize a "good girl" and even be able to treat her as such? This thread comes to mind: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/gender-struggle-escalation.188294/#post-1850947

Then take the terrible societal changes into account... In the past, people used to live in a village and never meet many potential mates. The son of the local butcher would meet the daughter of the local milkman and they'd get into a relationship. If they got in a fight or didn't like certain things about each other, they'd stick in there together and try to work through it. Why? Well, finding a new mate wasn't as easy as it seems nowadays. The world has become one big village, escpecially with the rise of social media.
Bytches got overinflated egos and will replace a guy easily, lots of Instagram suitors are standing in line for them...
And what do we teach here? Abundance mentality, aim high, qualify all the girls you meet, if they don't submit to your frame you move on to the next. So both us and them feel little need to make an effort to make things "work".
So we have to be bigger scumbags than them? Pretty scummy. I guess it doesnt matter. When we were in high school and young we would take insane risks for puzzy and stick or dyck in anything. We just wanted to fbck. As more experienced men we want to mitigate the risk and avoid being stupid behind puzzy. I guess a brainwashing is required.
 

highSpeed

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
Messages
848
Reaction score
649
The only way I see it working is by extinguishing your hopes and expectations. If you don't have that hope and expectation for women to provide you with something more than sex, you can't get disappointed with them either.

I just don't think I'm able to do that. Not right now anyway... It's not like some switch you just turn off in your head...
I guess there's truth in the idea that you should seek inside yourself what you seek in women. A man's happiness should not be dependant on a woman. Why does a guy wish for a genuine relationship with a woman anyway? Something he never experienced from his parents during childhood, therefor trying to get it from a woman later on in life?

Or is it the opposite? If you experienced that from your parents as a child, you naturally seek to have that kind of bond with a woman later on in life?

All I know is my relationship with my parents (especially my mother) was very fvcked up. And so are my "relationships" with women later on in life...

I do see kind of a solution to the problem by going for women who are below your Sexual Market Value. They show me respect, they are nice, they are honest, I can have good conversations with them, they are genuine, they're not hypocrite, I can connect with them (but don't want to, lol). That's basically what Desdinova went for too and he's quite happy with his relationship.

In a way, that's the same thing those exes I looked up on social media did. They went for a guy who's not that sexually attractive, but he's kind and sweet and gives her no trouble. He provides her with a stable, loving, caring relationship. And when she wants her sexual needs to be fulfilled, she goes on girl's night out with her friends and fvcks some badass Chad in the club...

I've often thought about doing this too. Just find a sweet girl who's kinda acceptable in the looks department but provides you with a stable, loving, caring relationship. It will bring a lot of good to your life, rest and stability... Then have hotter girls on the side to fulfill your need to have hot and steamy sex with slutty girls and fvck their brains out!!!

Makes me think of Tony Soprano, lol. His wife wasn't very attractive but she was good to him, a good mother to his kids, provided a stable household, took care of him. On the side he was fvcking hot chicks all the time, some were strippers, some were BPD bytches, all low self-esteem crazy bytches that a man wouldn't be able to live in the same house with for a month without going crazy and wanting to beat the crap out of them for their impossible behavior.

The two rarely go together... Not to say it's impossible, but if you're gonna hold out to find that rare gem of a woman who combines the hot and sexy traits with the "good girl" traits, you might end up waiting forever and not getting anything. Perhaps it's better to go for the second-best option by settling down with a girl of lower SMV and keeping higher SMV girls on the side.

Then again, could you really have a good relationship with a woman while you're banging other chicks behind her back? Food for thought...
First off, the sopranos marriage thing, never work in real life. There might be a few but for the most part, no woman is going to let you have women on the side, it takes away all their control in the relationship. Sex is the carrot that all women have in marriage. Before these laws if she was behaving badly in the relationship, you could do that kind of sh*t. Hey, you don't want to give it up baby, ok, I'll go get some on the side. Divorce? Hah, good luck getting one, that'll take years and you have to go a long way in proving sh*t so they will actually grant it. Today? Leave the toilet seat up one too many times and she's got all the grounds she needs to skin you alive in court, especially if you have kids.

Maybe before these draconian divorce laws aimed at women simply decimating men mostly but that's the new reality, once you're in the marriage, that's it, you're in. Once you have kids, you're locked in. Once she is married and has kids? She's libel to be out looking for the next suitor because now the guy is on the hook. Want to have sex? Better cuck up for her. Want to see your kids? You better fulfill her demands pronto. Don't do those things? You're a bad father, bad provider, bad husband and she is now justified to nuke you in court. Then it's wash, rinse, repeat for most of these broads, on to the next sucker. She'll bad mouth you, say how terrible and abusive that you are, all the while soaking you for as much cash and resources as she can. How many of you would take resources from someone you say is a bad father, bad husband, bad provider and abusive? Me, f*ck no, I'd say move on ahole, I'll take care of myself. Women, uh-uh, no way, they don't like you but they're still happy to take your sh*t.
 

guru1000

Master Don Juan
Joined
Sep 20, 2007
Messages
5,269
Reaction score
3,864
This is going to sound very anti-Guru1000, but all you need to do is show them egoless love.

Have NO agenda. Just enjoy them as they are in whomever they are. Don’t judge. Accept them and they will be more loyal to you than you can ever
imagine.

A lot of people ask how I forge my girls into troopers?

Do I command them? Do I sell them a false bill of goods? Do I pretend to be someone or something I’m not? Do I them how much money I make or flex my bicep?

No none of that.

I just show them egoless love without need for reciprocity. Without expectation, rules, or agenda.

They feel totally free in my space. They cannot reject me as I’m not asking for anything for which to reject. Get it?

They FEEL bliss in my presence and so become loyal by default. They are a reflection of you so if they are rejecting a certain part of you, they are rejecting that part of themselves which they don’t want <===read that again

So give them the part of themselves that they do want.

If your failing with women, th biggest reason is your vibe. They FEEL you want something from them. No one wants to feel obligated and thus their aversion.

Release all needs when you’re out with them and enjoy the NOW with straight egoless love. Not in a feminine, gay way but a masculine, non-needy, DGAF, giving vibe and I promise you, you will see a huge inversion in how they respond to you.
 

highSpeed

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
Messages
848
Reaction score
649
So we have to be bigger scumbags than them? Pretty scummy. I guess it doesnt matter. When we were in high school and young we would take insane risks for puzzy and stick or dyck in anything. We just wanted to fbck. As more experienced men we want to mitigate the risk and avoid being stupid behind puzzy. I guess a brainwashing is required.
Boy do I wish I could have not thought with my d*ck when I was younger. I'd be a much happier man today. You know what they say right:

Young bull says to old bull looking at the cows in the field, "Hey, let's run down there and f*ck one of those cows!"
Old bull says to young bull, "Nah, let's walk down and f*ck them all!!"
 

mrgoodstuff

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
9,004
Reaction score
4,321
Location
DFW, TX
Boy do I wish I could have not thought with my d*ck when I was younger. I'd be a much happier man today. You know what they say right:

Young bull says to old bull looking at the cows in the field, "Hey, let's run down there and f*ck one of those cows!"
Old bull says to young bull, "Nah, let's walk down and f*ck them all!!"
Yea but old bull knows 70% will slit his throat in a heartbeat. Doesnt trust them.
 

highSpeed

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 20, 2011
Messages
848
Reaction score
649
Yea but old bull knows 70% will slit his throat in a heartbeat. Doesnt trust them.
That's why he's not taking them back to his pasture or stall in the barn. He's just going to f*ck them in their pasture and then go home. The young bull would probably try and wife up his cow because it was the best he's ever seen. Makes me think of that eddie murphy skit:

 

Die Hard

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Messages
1,741
Reaction score
310
This is going to sound very anti-Guru1000, but all you need to do is show them egoless love.

Have NO agenda. Just enjoy them as they are in whomever they are. Don’t judge. Accept them and they will be more loyal to you than you can ever
imagine.

A lot of people ask how I forge my girls into troopers?

Do I command them? Do I sell them a false bill of goods? Do I pretend to be someone or something I’m not? Do I them how much money I make or flex my bicep?

No none of that.

I just show them egoless love without need for reciprocity. Without expectation, rules, or agenda.

They feel totally free in my space. They cannot reject me as I’m not asking for anything for which to reject. Get it?

They FEEL bliss in my presence and so become loyal by default. They are a reflection of you so if they are rejecting a certain part of you, they are rejecting that part of themselves which they don’t want <===read that again

So give them the part of themselves that they do want.

If your failing with women, th biggest reason is your vibe. They FEEL you want something from them. No one wants to feel obligated and thus their aversion.

Release all needs when you’re out with them and enjoy the NOW with straight egoless love. Not in a feminine, gay way but a masculine, non-needy, DGAF, giving vibe and I promise you, you will see a huge inversion in how they respond to you.
I absolutely know what you mean. I've been in that state that you describe many times and was very succesful with women at those moments... I guess it comes down to getting your life in order and being happy in most other aspects of life. When things seem to be going my way and I'm on top of my game in many different aspects of life, I can achieve that state that you're talking about. In any other case, all kinds of shyt starts stirring up in my mind, I'll be unbalanced and become my own worst enemy...
 
Read the 22 Rules for Massive Success with Women. Everything you need to know to become a huge success with women. And it's free!

Bible_Belt

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Messages
15,409
Reaction score
3,531
Age
43
Location
midwestern cow field 40
"Wage slave" is a term not yet mentioned on this thread. I saw a lot of nerdy guys in law school who were hopeless with women, but graduated and passed the bar exam, and suddenly had a pretty wife...what a coincidence. When trying to make partner, a young attorney is expected to bill 60-80 hours a week, which means working 100+ hours. The wife gets to pop out a kid or two and spend all her time with them, and hardly ever even have to see her husband. It is a lot of reward for very little work. By the way, I see the pics scroll by on facebook, and those same guys are on the aging fast track. I was about ten years older than them when we were in school ten years ago. Now most of them look older than me. They are selling their souls for wealth that the wife could take away with divorce whenever she wants.
 

Roober

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 2, 2016
Messages
2,057
Reaction score
1,626
Age
36
When you cant draw the woman you want, it is time to look within. There are plenty of good women out there if you have the ability to gather and maintain one.

I would start with your general bitterness towards women, which could stem from many places. A quality man doesn't describe women as disgusting, he accepts their flaws as they will have to accept his as well.
 

markfromeurope

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 13, 2017
Messages
583
Reaction score
480
Age
33
Location
realm of infinite possibilities
I wish I somehow could really let go of my disappointment, so it wouldn't hold me back from smashing all the girls around me, lol. But how can I let go of my disappointment without letting go of the expectation that fuels the disappointment? Should I really give up on the idea that I can find someone who's good for me in the long term? Someone I could settle down with? To think that this is not possible makes me depressed and nihilistic, makes me wanna give up on women altogether. Furthermore, if brainless sex with no connection or no hope for anything else is all that remains.... Then why go through all the effort of texting, dating blahblah that is needed to get the sex? Seems like a big investment with a small reward. I'd rather watch porn and use my right hand, that's a whole lot easier!

I just feel stuck and caught in without seeing a way out.
Smash them and upgrade yourself towards Mr Have-it-All in the mean time. That's your answer. Don't commit into LTR until you can pick really awesome woman.
 

AJ84

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 16, 2017
Messages
1,890
Reaction score
1,570
Age
35
Location
Canada
When you cant draw the woman you want, it is time to look within. There are plenty of good women out there if you have the ability to gather and maintain one.

I would start with your general bitterness towards women, which could stem from many places. A quality man doesn't describe women as disgusting, he accepts their flaws as they will have to accept his as well.
That’s lost on some people. Honestly if a guy has such a low view of women it’s going to seep out and she will pick up on it. Why the hell would a decent woman want to be with a bitter man when she could be with one who isn’t bitter?

The kinds of women that stick around despite this tend to be the types that guys complain about in the first place.

It’s no different than women who have low opinions of men.

Decent women, like decent men, screen for these kinds of negative traits and move on when they find them.
 

Die Hard

Master Don Juan
Joined
Nov 15, 2009
Messages
1,741
Reaction score
310
When you cant draw the woman you want, it is time to look within. There are plenty of good women out there if you have the ability to gather and maintain one.

I would start with your general bitterness towards women, which could stem from many places. A quality man doesn't describe women as disgusting, he accepts their flaws as they will have to accept his as well.
Horseshyt.

I don't describe all women as disgusting. I describe disgusting women as disgusting.
 
Top