Pierce Manhammer
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Let it go, James Bay
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Best breakup song ever?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
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Kid LAROI ft. Machine Gun Kelly
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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A couple of classics
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Scars
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When I experience a loss, I don't like to listen to sad sh!t. Instead I listen to hustle music and motivational stuff. Songs that remind me that b!tches ain't **** and I need to focus on building my empire. Big Sean, Drake.. etc. If I actually am genuinely depressed, I try to focus the sadness into anger, and put on some brutal death metal or something.. and then I go work out. Sitting around sulking accomplishes nothing.
Giovanni SouthSide
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I walk the same discipline. lick my wounds real quick and keep moving. like pac said "MOB" money over b!tches
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I don't really know about breakups, but at the moment I feel terrible, horrible and have a broken heart. At the same time I discovered Pink Floyd and the more I listen to it the better I feel.
Pierce Manhammer
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English lyrics on screen worth a listen/read.
Salte del medio, que están pasando los Kings…
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
FlexpertHamilton
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I know I could always turn to you
Treat me so fine like you always do
^ Especially love these lines. He's talking about having a side/backup chick who will always be around for you after a breakup....
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Dokken's 2 biggest albums were "Tooth and Nail" (1984) and "Under Lock and Key" (1985).
The women described in Dokken songs were terrible women. These 1980s women that members of Dokken were meeting were almost ahead of their time. Most 2000s-present era women a lot like the women Dokken songs described.
I remember I first discovered Dokken in what was my junior year of high school in 1999-2000. Even then, I found a song like "Into the Fire" relatable based on some early experiences with women.
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I wouldn't call what I'm linking below as the best breakup song ever. It is an intense breakup song written from a female perspective. It is Christina Aguilera's "Fighter".
In 2018, Aguilera mentioned that she wrote the song about some ex-boyfriend who turned out to be gay. I would not have suspected that from reading and listening to the lyrics.
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In 2018, Aguilera mentioned that she wrote the song about some ex-boyfriend who turned out to be gay. I would not have suspected that from reading and listening to the lyrics.
Christina Aguilera Reveals ‘Fighter’ Was About Ex-BF Who Was Gay: ‘It Was Heartbreaking’
Christina Aguilera just revealed the inspiration behind her song ‘Fighter,’ and you’re never going to guess who it’s about!
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Pink Floyd has some great break-up classics. "Mother" is a classic post-breakup feel good song. "Brain Damage" is also great:
"The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more"
Every time a plate drops off or ghosts me, these words always bring me comfort.
Have you checked out any of their Syd Barrett-era stuff?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.