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Being a 30's Male + debunking 'SMV' chart

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where the people whose wives are 10 years + younger, the dad was extremely high up in corporations or own/owned their own business, live in very nice/expensive houses.
This is just beta males/being being beta providers -- Working hard 60hrs per week all to 'impress her' 'give her a good life'. There are no 'alpha qualities' in that sort of existance, and as soon as the chips are down she will be legs up taking it from someone who hauls the beta providers trash.
 

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This is just beta males/being being beta providers -- Working hard 60hrs per week all to 'impress her' 'give her a good life'. There are no 'alpha qualities' in that sort of existance, and as soon as the chips are down she will be legs up taking it from someone who hauls the beta providers trash.
Exactly. I think its a tiny % of men that can pull it off outside of that kind of arrangement, even then you'd have to wonder about the quality of the woman involved. I know women over 30 get a rough ride on here (sometimes over 25 lol), but I think many are cloud cuckoo land if they think they can attract/game good quality women under 30 to stay in a long term relationship once they're over 40.

Plenty of damaged women of course with backage over 30, but I'd rather have someone stableish and attractive over 30, closer to my age than deal with someone with issues and the work in would take to maintain a relationship with someone that much younger. Odds of it working are minimal, particularly if not extremely wealthy.

Assuming talking about 7+ lookswise 20 odd year old women, why would they settle for a much older man? They;d have plenty of options closer to their age.
 

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from my own experience, friends/aquintances parents tend to be what I assume is within 5 year gap of each other. although bizarelly also know of a few men with wives 10 years+ older.
I'm not sure how old you are @B80 . Looking at your friends/acquaintances parents is a poor representation of the current mating environment in a lot of cases. Many of those relationships of men 2-5 years older than the woman formed in a different era, prior to 1990. I'm 38. I don't care about how my 1980s born friends/acquaintances and their parents who got together in the 1970s/1980s. It has zero relevance to today. The only thing interesting from couples formed in the 1970s-1990s is how they've managed not to divorce if they are still together. What you'll learn from this in most cases is that the relationship was mediocre to subpar for at least 10-15 years of a 25+ year long relationship. Is that a good way to go through life?

Also, the guys with wives much older are so unimpressive.

where the people whose wives are 10 years + younger, the dad was extremely high up in corporations or own/owned their own business, live in very nice/expensive houses. Even then, the women involved are average at best.
This is just beta males/being being beta providers -- Working hard 60hrs per week all to 'impress her' 'give her a good life'. There are no 'alpha qualities' in that sort of existance, and as soon as the chips are down she will be legs up taking it from someone who hauls the beta providers trash.
Agree that this is beta stuff. Most men in their 30s today, even mid-level or upper level managers in medium to large companies, are pusssy beggars for women close to their age.

What @B80 is citing is classic beta male game, which worked better in the 1970s-1980s than post 2000. Bill Gates was the most extreme of this, using his Microsoft CEO status to get a mediocre to subpar looking Duke University MBA gal.

I guess on here theres a many that are extremely adept with women and so stand a better chance of pulling off a year 10+ gap compared to public without necessarily being wealthy. obviously they'll be men who are good with women who don;t post on here that could achieve the same, but I imagine its a tiny % of the overall population.

If a woman is attractive and doesn;t have some kind of underlying issues, the likelyhood is they will still settle down with someone closer to their age who is also doing well financially. you'd have to be something really special to attract a relatively stable/'normal' woman and keep her long term if you are that much older, particularly in the current climate. so you;d have to be top tier or near top tier in some of the typical values - looks, charisma, status etc as well as doing well financially.

I can;t see a stable woman who is attractive electing for a much older man otherwise. Plus add in social pressure/expectations etc. Odds are firmly against you, but no doubt some pull it off.
You need money to pull off a 10+ year age difference in most cases.

A 35-40 year mid level to upper level executive guy is often getting with a similarly aged woman through social circles and often at places like racquet/country clubs or yacht clubs. It's not odd for a 30 something guy to be playing tennis and he meets an in shape older woman who is married or divorced. This 50-55 year old woman has a daughter/niece/co-worker, or has a friend with a daughter/niece. The two are introduced that way.
 
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Most men will take a lot of Ls in approaching strangers. Infields on YouTube are highly staged. Guys who look like suave approachers like ThatWasEpic or Daily Dropout edit the videos a lot. Also, ThatWasEpic is more of a prankster than an actual seducer. Though some of his approach tactics would work in the real world, it would take a lot of effort to get similar results.
He's tall. He has personality and countless reps. It's more infield than most gurus and guys can conceive of. For perspective, I bet he's done more approaches in a day than most so called YouTube gurus. The improv and countless reps would put to shame many shilling.

There will be mental and emotional anguish and trauma from dating in the modern environment if you use swipe apps to arrange dates or do approaching of strangers. Swipe apps the worst because you experience the worst of female behavior if using swipe apps. Women using swipe apps have no regard for the men that they interact with on the apps. It is a frictionless environment. A woman's social circle is never informed of her bad behavior towards men on the apps. Additionally, in areas with population of a few hundred thousand or more, the odds that a woman will ever see a man from a swipe app date randomly again if she ghosts/flakes around the city are so low that she doesn't care if she's rude.
You nailed it. It amplifies the worst female behavior. Again most guys don't approach. Hell most gurus don't lulz!

If Gen Z is awkward, the trends started with Millennials. I was born near the beginning of the Millennial generation. When I was a freshman in college in the 2001-02 school year, I was already seeing signs of antisocial behavior. Lots of people were using AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) to communicate instead of real world interactions or personal phone calls. AIM was the predecessor to texting. Also, the iPod was released in October 2001 and some of the hot girls at the gym were starting to wear earbuds in the gym, discouraging approaching. This trend grew throughout the 2000s and into the early 2010s. Since the early 2010s, most women have headphones/earbuds in while at the gym, making approaching on the general gym floor more difficult. Devices like the iPod/MP3 players and iPhone/smartphone make women more self-involved. Facebook launched in 2004 and it was heavily adopted among college men with mediocre to subpar social skills as a way to get vagina and for college women to narcissist. Instagram in the early 2010s took it to the next level.
probably. You seem to have the time line down. Right after 2010, I noticed a decline in social equity and the culture/gender war has only gone off the rails. Initially, I thought western women were mostly insane. After the shenanigans the past few years, it's far more sinister and evil. The enemy is any obstacle between you and individual sovereignty. Feminism and modern women are just a symptom of a much larger problem. Case and point, your typical encounter on a app is "common." Women are common today. Same recycled rubbish bio, politics, and sloth. The only solution is catch and release.

If you're a man in your 30s today, you are a Millennial. 15-20 years ago, for the older Millennials, the women were taught a lot of the same things. There was sexual assault culture on college campuses in the early to mid 2000s when the older Millennials like myself were in college.
Life will end up rubbish. Enjoy the decline. Pillage what you can.

I think of the matrix - the actual movie not the turd punch bowl of today. The scene walking down the street and the girl in the red dress. I'm not captain planet. You or I won't change the culture. It's enough to get ours and live actually good life. Fortunately for you, your environment permits sovereignty in a way most of the world no longer does. My American pals are cynical of where things are going but I assure you that it could be much worse elsewhere.

In the end, life trolls women harder than you or I never could. Waste life chasing a liberal arts degree. Vote large government and shackle oneself to corporate world. Don't need a man and piss away fertility.

I got my popcorn out and I'm enjoy the show as I plot the great exodus.

30+ is ran through. Both men and women in their 30s actively seeking new partners come to the table with a lot of past trauma. The cocck carousel has a way of hurting women more than promiscuity hurts men. Men in their 30s have more trauma associated with taking L's on approaching and using swipe apps. The repeated cycle of rejection has a way of hurting men. A lot of rejected men turn to porn to deal with the rejection, imagining themselves as the stud fuccking the hottie. Best to do no fap and no porn in the order to keep the seduction mind clear.
I couldn't agree more with you. There's a point where you are disassociating rejection since the abundance of experience has severed any part where that once had meaning. It simply loses meaning. Hence adoption of pull or #next! Blow me or blow me out.

I agree with you on porn. It's mind rot. Not sure about you but if not for pickup I'd have been divorce raped by now. You cannot go through the fire and not get burned. When you get through to the other side, who and what you become is something else. IMHO the red pill rage is that middle stage of not going anywhere beyond. Spinning wheels.

I heard it was Carl Jung that spoke to the subject. Suggested in order to come full circle in life, a man needs to go back and reclaim what he lost as a child. Clarey put order something similar regarding searching for meaning.

Nice! Being good at sex is an element of game that isn't talked about enough on this forum. Being good at sex is one of the fastest ways to get frame and to get closer to the abundance mindset.
It was more to the notion of what Rsd tyler said on seeing humor in everything (pickup, rejection, pulling etc). In previous eras we would be married. Likely a wife and many kids. It's in our nature to fight. There's got to be something worth fighting for. Playing house nor that once upon a time notion died long ago at least in the west. It's not coming back. More accurately modern women don't qualify but fellas keep trying to put a round peg in a square hole.

60 year old men prefer sex with a 42 year old woman as compared to a 57 year old woman. I have been turned on by women in the 30s/40s. I've seen few examples of 50+ year old women that turn me on. There are some sexy older celeb women but most men aren't running into 50+ year old women who induce erections. Even an attractive 52 year old woman at a racquet/country club can't compare to a 22 or even 32 year old.
Which is why I think fellas should spend time with hotter and younger. Less trauma though far more idiocy.

I remember getting told she was worried I was not going to call her. This was in the before times more than the present. Younger and less bodied girls still behave this way. There's a level of awkwardness to their in experience that the street doesn't have. That part was severed a long time ago. Classic modern women.

At this stage of my life, I'm chasing some thing else as we discussed. With game, I like more challenging logistics and younger vs a goal on an empty net. New way forward. More sniper. Less banging the guns 7 nights an week like when I was a kid. Level up like @darksprezzatura which is no cake walk. Energy is finite. I can't fathom this play at 40 or 50. The great exodus is calling a lot of us.
 

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He's tall. He has personality and countless reps. It's more infield than most gurus and guys can conceive of. For perspective, I bet he's done more approaches in a day than most so called YouTube gurus. The improv and countless reps would put to shame many shilling.
So that everyone understands who we are talking about, ThatWasEpic is some entertaining channel on YouTube. He's supposedly doing approaches more for fun than actual pickup. This guy, who is named Juan, is a solid approacher. He's definitely over 6'0", which is rare for a Hispanic guy.


Notice his first approach with Bianca the redhead there. At :26 with the hair flip, you know she was totally down. At :29, her smile and body language are great.

Again most guys don't approach. Hell most gurus don't lulz!
Most guys don't approach. Most guys can't do random, non-bar approaches. I do it, you do it, and many of the guys on this forum do it. @Zimbabwe has been doing it more.

Right after 2010, I noticed a decline in social equity and the culture/gender war has only gone off the rails. Initially, I thought western women were mostly insane. After the shenanigans the past few years, it's far more sinister and evil. The enemy is any obstacle between you and individual sovereignty. Feminism and modern women are just a symptom of a much larger problem. Case and point, your typical encounter on a app is "common." Women are common today. Same recycled rubbish bio, politics, and sloth. The only solution is catch and release.
Catch and release as you say it is one valid solution. Another valid solution is longer term relationships with no marriage and babies. Realize that most LTRs run their course and get out before it goes too bad. That is probably a slightly slower version of catch and release, but still catch and release.

Life will end up rubbish. Enjoy the decline. Pillage what you can.

In the end, life trolls women harder than you or I never could. Waste life chasing a liberal arts degree. Vote large government and shackle oneself to corporate world. Don't need a man and piss away fertility.

I got my popcorn out and I'm enjoy the show as I plot the great exodus.
Enjoy the decline and pillage what you can are the ways to live. It is always funny to observe life trolling women.

I couldn't agree more with you. There's a point where you are disassociating rejection since the abundance of experience has severed any part where that once had meaning. It simply loses meaning. Hence adoption of pull or #next! Blow me or blow me out.

I agree with you on porn. It's mind rot. Not sure about you but if not for pickup I'd have been divorce raped by now. You cannot go through the fire and not get burned. When you get through to the other side, who and what you become is something else. IMHO the red pill rage is that middle stage of not going anywhere beyond. Spinning wheels.

I heard it was Carl Jung that spoke to the subject. Suggested in order to come full circle in life, a man needs to go back and reclaim what he lost as a child. Clarey put order something similar regarding searching for meaning.
The modern mating environment is like walking through a fire. You're going to get burned at some point. I've endured massive trauma as a result of doing what I have done for the last 22 years. But I've managed the downside well. No kids, no divorce rape.

Porn is bad. We were not meant to wank it out to images/videos of hot broads getting their pusssies pounded by another dude. That's soft cucking. We must be the ones doing the seducing and pounding vag. Approaching is the first step in a 1,000 mile journey towards pounding vag.

It was more to the notion of what Rsd tyler said on seeing humor in everything (pickup, rejection, pulling etc). In previous eras we would be married. Likely a wife and many kids. It's in our nature to fight. There's got to be something worth fighting for. Playing house nor that once upon a time notion died long ago at least in the west. It's not coming back. More accurately modern women don't qualify but fellas keep trying to put a round peg in a square hole.
Too many men today play house. Bad idea. It is a civilization in decline when playing house with a woman is a bad idea. You're more likely to break up with the woman who gives birth to your child than still be with her by the time the first kid turns 18.

Which is why I think fellas should spend time with hotter and younger. Less trauma though far more idiocy.

I remember getting told she was worried I was not going to call her. This was in the before times more than the present. Younger and less bodied girls still behave this way. There's a level of awkwardness to their in experience that the street doesn't have. That part was severed a long time ago. Classic modern women.

At this stage of my life, I'm chasing some thing else as we discussed. With game, I like more challenging logistics and younger vs a goal on an empty net. New way forward. More sniper. Less banging the guns 7 nights an week like when I was a kid. Level up like @darksprezzatura which is no cake walk. Energy is finite. I can't fathom this play at 40 or 50. The great exodus is calling a lot of us.
I learned to conserve energy with game a long time ago. I realized in my 20s that I'd be in the whole pickup/seduction/non-marital relationships for a long time. That's how I learned to be a non-bar approacher. When I was 18-25, my game was off campus college parties in apartments and bars/nightclubs. I did almost no day game. I reinvented myself in my late 20s as a day game specialist. Being a day game specialist is more sustainable.
 
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What's your opinion on Juan's "I like you" opener?
It's a solid move opener. It's forward and mega confident. Women feel magnetic attraction to a guy who is that bold. A good portion of the reactions he gets are due to the fact that he is over 6'0". I'd estimate he's 6'2"-6'3". If you're 6'2"-6'3" and confident, that's top tier stuff.

I'm 5'10". I carry myself with a decent amount of confidence. The mere fact that I do approaches randomly outdoors is confident enough.
 

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It's a solid move opener. It's forward and mega confident. Women feel magnetic attraction to a guy who is that bold. A good portion of the reactions he gets are due to the fact that he is over 6'0". I'd estimate he's 6'2"-6'3". If you're 6'2"-6'3" and confident, that's top tier stuff.

I'm 5'10". I carry myself with a decent amount of confidence. The mere fact that I do approaches randomly outdoors is confident enough.
Have you tried that opener yourself? I'd imagine me being 5'6" and bald will not have the warm receptions Juan has with this opener. I'll give it a try sometime, and report back on this.
 

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Personally speaking things are easier for me now compared to when I was in my 20's. I have also changed quite a bit since those days.

I don't think age has anything to do with it (other than perhaps in your 20's you will be around 20ish year old women because of university etc).
 

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Have you tried that opener yourself? I'd imagine me being 5'6" and bald will not have the warm receptions Juan has with this opener. I'll give it a try sometime, and report back on this.
I have not tried that opener but I am willing to try it. 5'6" & bald is rough.
 

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I have not tried that opener but I am willing to try it. 5'6" & bald is rough.
Yeah, It took a little while getting over the anger of how picky females are with baldness(for white guys). This ended when I started thinking "what's the alternative?" "Me with hair". While being bald and short is a rough combo; for me, I still look better and more masculine bald than with hair. Once I realized this, the anger subsided.
 

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One factor the smv charts do not delve into is proximity. In my psychology of sex class(in college), we were taught that proximity is the number one predictor of relationship forming(obviously there is a ****-ton of other variables). People self-segregate: generally high schoolers date other high schoolers, physicians date others in the health care field, etc. I do believe that in a closed environment where everyone interacted equally (regardless of age), the SMV charts would be more accurate. That being said if you are in your 30s in shape, have a good career, and have charisma/game younger women will pine for you. So either you need to work on yourself as a male or actively seek opportunities to interact with younger women, the likelihood is that you need to do both. Even moving to a bigger city can do wonders for your ability to meet younger women. High school and college are fairly closed circuits so it's harder to infiltrate those women unless you go to bars and clubs or somehow are in close proximity to campus. After college, it's all fair game, typically (most women graduate college around 22y.o). The reality is you don't have a ton of excuses.
 

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One factor the smv charts do not delve into is proximity. In my psychology of sex class(in college), we were taught that proximity is the number one predictor of relationship forming(obviously there is a ****-ton of other variables). People self-segregate: generally high schoolers date other high schoolers, physicians date others in the health care field, etc. I do believe that in a closed environment where everyone interacted equally (regardless of age), the SMV charts would be more accurate.
Proximity and access is the biggest thing. The biggest problem for men in their 30s as I'll illustrate below is proximity, though I agree that there are other factors. Most men in their 30s end up with some woman in her 30s. Some of the upper tier 30 something men might do better with 30 something women and experience some moderate success. The success they experience is would look something like having fewer failed first dates as a 35-38 year old pursuing 31-51 year old women as compared to their 25-28 year old selves pursuing 21-25 year olds. Or you might see a 37 year old man with a fit 34 year old whereas when he was 27, fit 24 year olds were rejecting him.

if you are in your 30s in shape, have a good career, and have charisma/game younger women will pine for you. So either you need to work on yourself as a male or actively seek opportunities to interact with younger women, the likelihood is that you need to do both.
All this is a tall order for most 30 something men. A lot of the men with some career achievements at that age with either be bland beta males with middling to subpar social skills and/or out of shape. This is why most men in their 30s are pusssy beggars for women close to their own age, some of whom are single moms. Today's 30 something man is a Millennial and Millennials have higher rates of childlessness, so in a lot of the urban areas with population in the high hundreds or thousands or millions, the 30 something man is chasing some childless 30 something careerist who has either failed to get a ring from multiple longer term relationships, gotten divorced after 2-5 years, or has ridden the cocck carousel to some degree. All of those varieties of childless woman are superior to the 30 something single mom version that is likely more common in smaller cities/suburbs or rural areas.

The likelihood as a 30 something male is that you need to be both a self improver and actively seek out younger women to a great degree. The degree to which you will need to seek that out is higher than you can likely conceive for most men.

Even moving to a bigger city can do wonders for your ability to meet younger women. High school and college are fairly closed circuits so it's harder to infiltrate those women unless you go to bars and clubs or somehow are in close proximity to campus. After college, it's all fair game, typically (most women graduate college around 22y.o). The reality is you don't have a ton of excuses.
Moving to a bigger city is probably a better move for a 32-39 year old looking for the 22-27 year old population. A lot of newer college graduates tend to go to certain big cities with solid job markets.

Other than going to bars near a college campus, the 30 something man isn't interacting with undergraduate aged women (18-22). Even 22-28 year old women in graduate school programs are a bit more difficult to access for a 30 something man. Additionally, slightly older women who pursue graduate level degrees tend to be more feminist/careerist and less likely to make a good girlfriend. The typical 30 something guy isn't going to plant himself on campus and randomly do approaches. I did approaches one time on a college campus as a 30 something year old man and I'm probably ahead of most 30 something men in doing that. Most men would need to do multiple campus approach sessions to get something out of it.
 

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Proximity and access is the biggest thing
yes, I mention propinquity here:


I think it's a fairly big factor. With this girl, in hindsight and assuming what she tells me is true, I COULD have just walked up to her on the street or in a bar and banged her. She basically told me i'm her type and she thought I was hot (note: I'm not conventionally hot at all! But different girls have different tastes)

But i'm confident there's been other times recently where i've hooked up with girls, including teenagers nearly 20 years my junior(!), who i'd have been very likely rejected by if I cold approached them.

I think physical attraction is always a pre-requisite. 'Game' can't bypass that. But unless you are stupidly handsome, she is going to weigh up other things such as your age. Propinquity seems to 'dull' that concern somewhat in my experience
 

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So that everyone understands who we are talking about, ThatWasEpic is some entertaining channel on YouTube. He's supposedly doing approaches more for fun than actual pickup. This guy, who is named Juan, is a solid approacher. He's definitely over 6'0", which is rare for a Hispanic guy.

There's 1 where he rolls up on 3 college girls, she was smitten from go, and you couldn't falsify her response. Granted, he's tall, closer to Chad then Shrek, and natural not pua. He's put more reps in then most YouTube guru vs buy my rubbish program &&& ebook. No receipts.

Notice his first approach with Bianca the redhead there. At :26 with the hair flip, you know she was totally down. At :29, her smile and body language are great.
Not everyone is as tall, charismatic or ballsy but it goes to show what can be done with reps and putting in work. You see similar stuff with other pranksters like vitally and Connor Murphy both who have since gone insane. Similarly, there seems to be a lot of insanity in pickup.

Most guys don't approach. Most guys can't do random, non-bar approaches. I do it, you do it, and many of the guys on this forum do it. @Zimbabwe has been doing it more.
Most fellas sperging out on YouTube don't approach. The amount of fraud is next level. Reminds me of the sherdog forums where morons will bash pro fighters because everyone posting is a Internet tough guy. The actual going out and getting girls is the work. Bending the knee and playing house + starting a YouTube channel is the easy part. Growing an audience takes work.

I'm a firm believer that it's almost better to learn from naturals. There is less crazy that seeks to follow pua or rp. The problem with naturals is that, they don't know what the future they are doing that gets results. They just know it works. Also many are domain dependent.

Catch and release as you say it is one valid solution. Another valid solution is longer term relationships with no marriage and babies. Realize that most LTRs run their course and get out before it goes too bad. That is probably a slightly slower version of catch and release, but still catch and release.
I likely would adopt a different perspective in a more traditional environment not western. Was seeing a Clarey podcast on having something like you said and no live in gf. no kids or playing house. The nuclear option is walking. The problem is most fellas want kids. Even your ultra giga playboy like a tate wants kids. It just doesn't work here.

Enjoy the decline and pillage what you can are the ways to live. It is always funny to observe life trolling women.
Running into a girl from your past is comedy. I thought it was a one off when I started. It's absurd just how common feminism and modern women are.

The modern mating environment is like walking through a fire. You're going to get burned at some point. I've endured massive trauma as a result of doing what I have done for the last 22 years. But I've managed the downside well. No kids, no divorce rape.
Most don't have the balls to go through with the process or sperg once the walls of reality come crashing down. Once you see female nature. Even then fellas still sign up to get slaughtered. Gen Z has been red pulled boot first. Your point on trauma is spot on. Opting out isn't a solution. See the chess board for how it is. Play the game better is the only way forward. Just think of the reps you put in over 22yrs. Not ebooks or shilling rubbish. Putting work in where now sniper approaching makes sense. The juice must be worth the squeeze. Plus you want to preserve energy which isn't finite.

Porn is bad. We were not meant to wank it out to images/videos of hot broads getting their pusssies pounded by another dude. That's soft cucking. We must be the ones doing the seducing and pounding vag. Approaching is the first step in a 1,000 mile journey towards pounding vag.
It's intentionally done. Any guy to say they never watch porn ever is talking ****. It's easy to fap. Another thing to go get girls. The society pushes sedation of porn ie soft cucking but again there's no ambiguity. TV and most of online is cucked. It's not a dhv. It's premeditated to get sedation and force spectator mode which is most men.

Too many men today play house. Bad idea. It is a civilization in decline when playing house with a woman is a bad idea. You're more likely to break up with the woman who gives birth to your child than still be with her by the time the first kid turns 18.
You reside in one of the very few strongholds left in the planet. TV has got people into believing that sovereignty and freedom are gone. It's BS. Marriage in and of itself isn't bad. It's cucked here because of government intervention at the head of the home. Compliance is weakkkk.

Feminism, modern women, Hollywood, government, etc are all symptoms of a much larger problem. It's all been there to destroy the nuclear family. The gender was was to divide men and women. The promo for boss girl and affirmative action was for more tax dollars and indentured servitude.

RM 4 was good but I do wish he went in more on specific deficits documented in scripture. I linked a article before on the Gita; "out of the corruption of women comes the corruption of nations." Here we are in 2022. The bible points out the serpent approaching the woman first and the man supplicating to her poor choice after. You have the fall of Solomon or Samson having his eyes taken out after "being vulnerable. " forget any magical thinking but from a allegory perspective even, these are some serious flaws accurately depicted in ancient text.

Clarey busted on the prodigal son parable. There has to be a way back. People self delete otherwise. The notion was not the ski down cawk mountain, be a train wreck, gang bangs, and bastard children. There was repentance. There was the point about sleeping with the pigs and farm animals. Women and feminism hijacked the following narrative to spoon feed their own stupidity and backwards rational after the milk goes bad. The following is eroding in the Muslim faith as well.

You or I could go into these environments and pickup but it's more of the same old same modern women dumpster fire by and large. Ask me how I know lulz!

I learned to conserve energy with game a long time ago. I realized in my 20s that I'd be in the whole pickup/seduction/non-marital relationships for a long time. That's how I learned to be a non-bar approacher. When I was 18-25, my game was off campus college parties in apartments and bars/nightclubs. I did almost no day game. I reinvented myself in my late 20s as a day game specialist. Being a day game specialist is more sustainable.
I did both BUT I really flipped the script once I saw the erosion of liberty.

With lock downs and even being on my purpose, I don't have the time to rampage through clubs like I did. Special occasions here on. Put work in when out everywhere. I think pickup fails because too much are obsessed with their and they don't integrate it as a way of life. Rp is all theory (i don't necessarily disagree with mostly) but No reps.

Imagine trying to get deezd and you don't exercise lulz!
 

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The problem is most fellas want kids.
Yes, this is an issue that affects how most relationships progress.

The guy I consider my closest friend had this issue, which is why he put a ring on it. They had moved into the same apartment together before he put a ring on it.

One day I asked him "If you were living with your girlfriend, why bother to get married? Why not keep living together in perpetuity?"

He responded "Because we want to have children together."

Conversation turned to something else.

This guy was playing house and then as @samspade would say, he decided to have a threesome with the United States government. It's not exactly a threesome but more like a polyamorous relationship.

How's that threesome/poly relationship working out for him?

He's been married 4 years and the wife has gained a noticeable amount of weight without having any children yet.
 

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Yes, this is an issue that affects how most relationships progress.

The guy I consider my closest friend had this issue, which is why he put a ring on it. They had moved into the same apartment together before he put a ring on it.

One day I asked him "If you were living with your girlfriend, why bother to get married? Why not keep living together in perpetuity?"

He responded "Because we want to have children together."
One of my mate's answered the same thing when I asked him. In fairness, he did the playboy thing on the way out of the womb. Was "that guy." Natural. Never learned pickup. Girls liked him off rip. More importantly, he has dark triad traits. Likely why we get on so well. On a boys trips once upon a time while in school drunken bender, he narrated his approach to game.

"The way you get these bitches, you chop down their self esteem like at lumber jack."



He then berated some skank at a after party who was all over him in about 5min flat. Just for catch and release. He had her strip for him and he bailed because he was unavailable &&& FLEX. Talk **** and brag later. He's a riot. Playing house now but, never lost the edge. Pulled his @ peak smv early 20s.

For fellas looking at doing the house and white picket fence, playboy did it right. Herein lies the blueprint for anybody looking @Zimbabwe ! Best days or gtfo @baeeeees!!

Conversation turned to something else.

This guy was playing house and then as @samspade would say, he decided to have a threesome with the United States government. It's not exactly a threesome but more like a polyamorous relationship.

How's that threesome/poly relationship working out for him?
One of biggest critiques of rp is the majority are playing house. Don't get married, bash marriage but

BRB guys, playing house & bending the knee.

I mostly agree with the theory but, I see a lack of follow through. I hold a fella like troy Francis on another level because he walks the walk nearly 50. Podcasts live with infield approaches. NOBODY does that on YouTube. It's so extra but a flex in a unregulated space full of posers.

He's been married 4 years and the wife has gained a noticeable amount of weight without having any children yet.
It's female nature particularly in the west. I think somebody like a Rollo could be helpful but not sure he would listen.

I think Clarey is right about cohabitation.
 

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that being said if you are in your 30s in shape, have a good career, and have charisma/game younger women will pine for you
Again, sorry this isn't directed at you -- but this is beta bucks and exactly what I am getting at in OP -- Money, resources, all stuff she wants from a nice safe man, while she bangs some random fit fake confident dude always smiling and being 'cool' on the side. "Allegedly" men's SMV at 38 is the same as a girl at 23
IF THIS IS THE CASE. THE MAN, OR YOU SHOULD BE ****ING A WHOLE RANGE OF YOUNG WOMEN 20 - 25 EASILY
IF YOU, WE, MEN ARE REQUIRED TO BE "WELL OFF, GOOD AT FILLING HER GAS TANK AND CHECKING HER TIRES, IN GOOD SHAPE WITH A GREAAAT POTENTIAL FUTURE AT INTERTROBE" =
YOU ARE A BETA PROVIDER, SAFE PROTECTION MAN.

HENCE THE THREAD LOL
 

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Yes, this is an issue that affects how most relationships progress.

The guy I consider my closest friend had this issue, which is why he put a ring on it. They had moved into the same apartment together before he put a ring on it.

One day I asked him "If you were living with your girlfriend, why bother to get married? Why not keep living together in perpetuity?"

He responded "Because we want to have children together."

Conversation turned to something else.

This guy was playing house and then as @samspade would say, he decided to have a threesome with the United States government. It's not exactly a threesome but more like a polyamorous relationship.

How's that threesome/poly relationship working out for him?

He's been married 4 years and the wife has gained a noticeable amount of weight without having any children yet.
Interesting. I'm curious of a few things. How old is this friend of yours? Did he gain weight too? Did he sincerely want kids?

I can understand avoiding the beta bucks / playing house mentality in your 20s and 30s. I'm upper 40s and although in practice I think a kid would fukk up my life, in theory I like the idea. However my filtering is good and I mostly date younger, non-bytchy foreign women.

I'm of two minds, on the one hand doing street approaches at 50+ sounds dumb. On the other, it's hard to ever envision selling out my personal freedom. This isn't because I don't think I could pull - I can always pull. This is just where my mentality is lately.
 

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Again, sorry this isn't directed at you -- but this is beta bucks and exactly what I am getting at in OP -- Money, resources, all stuff she wants from a nice safe man, while she bangs some random fit fake confident dude always smiling and being 'cool' on the side. "Allegedly" men's SMV at 38 is the same as a girl at 23
IF THIS IS THE CASE. THE MAN, OR YOU SHOULD BE ****ING A WHOLE RANGE OF YOUNG WOMEN 20 - 25 EASILY
IF YOU, WE, MEN ARE REQUIRED TO BE "WELL OFF, GOOD AT FILLING HER GAS TANK AND CHECKING HER TIRES, IN GOOD SHAPE WITH A GREAAAT POTENTIAL FUTURE AT INTERTROBE" =
YOU ARE A BETA PROVIDER, SAFE PROTECTION MAN.

HENCE THE THREAD LOL
I'm guessing this is true in your experience and a self-fulling prophesy
 
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