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Regarding the "peak theory" I call bullsh1t on that, unless a man strongly underperformed his potential in his 20s, he will hardly be more attractive at 35 rather than 25.
Game and status tend to improve with time. Those are both traits that lead to raw sexual attraction just like looks does. That is why men do often peak later, objectively. Women are always dating 3-10 years up, there is a reason for that. Having said that, yes the idea that a 35 year old will do better than a comparable SMV at 25 is false, due to access and aging.
 

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Game and status tend to improve with time. Those are both traits that lead to raw sexual attraction just like looks does. That is why men do often peak later, objectively. Women are always dating 3-10 years up, there is a reason for that. Having said that, yes the idea that a 35 year old will do better than a comparable SMV at 25 is false, due to access and aging.
Agree on game and status improving for the average man with age but what game and what status?

By game we mean the knowledge of what to avoid given more experience? agree

Regarding the status, well being the owner of a successful enterprise grants lot of it but its nowhere comparable to being the DJ of a club in your 20s....the dj gets blowj0bs in the club office while the entrepreneur gets a pass par tout for dating.

I will always pick the fast instinctual reward from women anytime, no bigger form or satisfaction or proof of legit attraction.

Thats unless by status we aint talking about minor celebrity type, in that case thats totally different.

What I mean is, jeff bezos surely has a better overall status that a 20yrs old DJ yet its not him meeting young girls and bang them that same night with those girls being fine with that with no further request.

Status should be divided in "respect granting" and "attraction granting", one gets people to invite you to exclusive places while the other gets you invited inside wet pvssy.

Being a famous outlaw will get you laid but wont get you invited at the presidential palace, the other way around being a top engineer.
 

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and status tend to improve with time.
Beta bucks, beta buck, beta bucks - I hate that expression, but it's all I hear and read whenever the notion that a man is 'more valuable' the more he ages and attains 'status' -- yet you are somehow 'the prize', the only way that could be is because of his career he hates and slaves away at starts paying him more and his 'experience' allows him to move up the ladder and take on more responsibility and time debt. Therefore you may have more money, if that translates to a good SMV, count me the hell out..
 

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Congratulations, you're like every other guy on the planet who has noticed that the prettiest girls are in that age group. They still look sweet and sexy and worth being desired. But if you want to relate to a female on a deeper level, there's something to be said for finding someone at least a little closer to your age group, someone with some similar life experiences.
This is true and disappointing. Yes, if you are a 35 year old male, you have a better chance of having an extended relationship with a 30-35 year old woman than an 18-24 year old.

If you're in your 30s and are still in shape, believe me, girls in their 20s are not out of reach. Statistically, I believe women tend to date guys about four years older than themselves. So yeah, it's not like they're looking for guys 10 years older exactly. But if you're a high value guy and an older guy compared to the younger guys they know, you can stand out. Girls in their early 20s are going to be naturally around other people their age, so of course the younger guys have a built in advantage there. Plus a lot of older guys listen to the feminist society, and they have been indoctrinated into thinking that an older guy is a creep if he's with a younger gal. A guy in his 30s is not old.
Depends on where you are in your 30s. When you're 30-33, 25-29 is not a stretch. Plenty of 32 year old men have 28-29 year old girlfriends/wives.

Let's say you're a 33-34 year old single guy. How are you going to get with 21-24 year olds? If you're on swipe apps, you might be able to swipe right on them. You'll get into their swipe queues and they can judge that way. Most women's swipe queues are externally long, even when they are 35. Imagine what a 22 year old's swipe queue is like. This probably isn't the best way to get a 21-24 year old's attention. When they are randomly swiping, they are filtering out guys who are 31+ in most cases.

Pre-pandemic, the bars were likely a better option for this, especially if you happened to find bars near a college campus.

You could day game but you'd likely do approaches on women 25+ when doing non-bar approaching. Non-bar approaching is often weaker on quantity than a good bar situation.

There's a combination of too many older guys listening to the feminist societal influences and also not being good enough to attract women 10 years younger in their 30s. If you're in your 30s and want someone 10 years younger, the threshold for achieving that is high. This is why most 30 something men are with pusssy beggars for women close to their own age.

Game and status tend to improve with time. Those are both traits that lead to raw sexual attraction just like looks does. That is why men do often peak later, objectively. Women are always dating 3-10 years up, there is a reason for that. Having said that, yes the idea that a 35 year old will do better than a comparable SMV at 25 is false, due to access and aging.
Most 35 year old men have an access problem when it comes to much younger women.

It's a bit unusual for a 35 year old man to do random on campus approaching. I did one approach session around that age one day on a college campus. Most 35 year old men are busy working at 1 or 2 PM Wednesday when women are walking between classes. Work at home options can help men do this as opposed to being confined to an office. When I did my college campus approach session one day in my mid-30s, I was between jobs. I wasn't unemployed, I had a built in break before starting a new job.

If I had wanted to get something out of campus approaching, I probably needed to do more than just one day. Most campus day approaching sessions don't resemble this...


Also, most men don't have the guts to do random approaching of strangers at non-bar venues. This is compounded for 30+ men who have graduated from school. These men aren't going to be on campuses hustling for prospects.

Beta bucks, beta buck, beta bucks - I hate that expression, but it's all I hear and read whenever the notion that a man is 'more valuable' the more he ages and attains 'status' -- yet you are somehow 'the prize', the only way that could be is because of his career he hates and slaves away at starts paying him more and his 'experience' allows him to move up the ladder and take on more responsibility and time debt. Therefore you may have more money, if that translates to a good SMV, count me the hell out..
Elevated SMV in one's 30s is often an achievement of career promotions, often in white collar work. Blue collar men can also experience wage growth with experience.

White collar men often dislike their work experiences more than blue collar men. Being an automotive or aircraft mechanic seems more fulfilling than working an accounting, sales, or marketing related role.

Having a higher income in your 30s might get you easier lays from 30 something childless women seeking providers. How exciting is it to be 38 and getting lays from childless 35 year old women?

I REALLY think the Reason AVAILABLE women from age 25-30 SMV declines so much is that the TOP ones are off the market due to LTR, marriage and kids. It is about Population, not individuals.
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How up to date are these data points? Marriage rates in the Millennial generation have been lower.

A childless divorce barely affects a woman's SMV. How much different is a woman's SMV with a childless divorce vs. a bunch of 2-5 year non-marital relationships that have failed?
 

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Agree on game and status improving for the average man with age but what game and what status?

By game we mean the knowledge of what to avoid given more experience? agree

Regarding the status, well being the owner of a successful enterprise grants lot of it but its nowhere comparable to being the DJ of a club in your 20s....the dj gets blowj0bs in the club office while the entrepreneur gets a pass par tout for dating.

I will always pick the fast instinctual reward from women anytime, no bigger form or satisfaction or proof of legit attraction.

Thats unless by status we aint talking about minor celebrity type, in that case thats totally different.

What I mean is, jeff bezos surely has a better overall status that a 20yrs old DJ yet its not him meeting young girls and bang them that same night with those girls being fine with that with no further request.

Status should be divided in "respect granting" and "attraction granting", one gets people to invite you to exclusive places while the other gets you invited inside wet pvssy.

Being a famous outlaw will get you laid but wont get you invited at the presidential palace, the other way around being a top engineer.

1. Game should mean seduction. You should be able to know what to say to escalate sexual attraction better now than at 25.

2. You are right about access with women that believe they deserve you for a relationship. For women that do not, they just want to get fvcked by someone with status bc it helps their self esteem and ego. When I entered professional school, I was getting both types of status attraction. One was hypergamic relationship access stuff, one was hypergamic sexuality.
 

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This is true and disappointing. Yes, if you are a 35 year old male, you have a better chance of having an extended relationship with a 30-35 year old woman than an 18-24 year old.
Let's say you hook up with a 22 year old. She's not going to stay 22 forever. If you don't care about extended relationships, you can just get a never ending series of 22 year old plates (theoretically). But if you actually want an extended relationship with someone, she isn't going to stay in her early 20s forever. I only mention this because guys here seem to think they should have 18-24 year old girls servicing them all their lives. I guess you could work the Leonardo DiCaprio system and dump them when they turn 25.
 

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Beta bucks, beta buck, beta bucks - I hate that expression, but it's all I hear and read whenever the notion that a man is 'more valuable' the more he ages and attains 'status' -- yet you are somehow 'the prize', the only way that could be is because of his career he hates and slaves away at starts paying him more and his 'experience' allows him to move up the ladder and take on more responsibility and time debt. Therefore you may have more money, if that translates to a good SMV, count me the hell out..
Yes exactly. All that it would do in theory is provide more security for your family, as well as your own personal enrichment and satisfaction with your career.

Your SMV only increases for temporary relations with gold digger and status seeker types, which is fine if you just want to pump and dump.

For genuine relationships with women you would view as the mother of your children, it just increases your suspicions they are with you for the $.
 

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Let's say you hook up with a 22 year old. She's not going to stay 22 forever. If you don't care about extended relationships, you can just get a never ending series of 22 year old plates (theoretically). But if you actually want an extended relationship with someone, she isn't going to stay in her early 20s forever. I only mention this because guys here seem to think they should have 18-24 year old girls servicing them all their lives. I guess you could work the Leonardo DiCaprio system and dump them when they turn 25.
The never ending series of 18-24 year old plates gets extremely difficult to do starting in one's early 30s or 35 at the latest. It would be an extreme outlier to be a 45 or 50 year old man continually attracting early 20s women. You'd have to be rich to do it in some fashion once you hit the 35-50 age range.

I am fortunate that I have found women in their 30s/40s to be sexy. Of course, I would always prefer a younger woman. I only have sex with women younger than I am now (38). I will be able to get a solid erection with a fit, attractive woman in her 30s. If I were to get an attractive (at least cute) 20 year old naked today, I would be extremely turned on by her youthfulness.

As a man, if you're able to get a woman 10-15 years younger for a relationship once you hit age 35, that's going to be advantageous in longer term relationships. A 55 year old man with a 40 year old girlfriend is going to get more turned on by a naked 40 year old woman than a 42 year old man with a 40 year old.
 

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This is true and disappointing. Yes, if you are a 35 year old male, you have a better chance of having an extended relationship with a 30-35 year old woman than an 18-24 year old.

Elevated SMV in one's 30s is often an achievement of career promotions, often in white collar work. Blue collar men can also experience wage growth with experience.

White collar men often dislike their work experiences more than blue collar men. Being an automotive or aircraft mechanic seems more fulfilling than working an accounting, sales, or marketing related role.

Having a higher income in your 30s might get you easier lays from 30 something childless women seeking providers. How exciting is it to be 38 and getting lays from childless 35 year old women?
The actual untold truth and fact about men's SMV - seems like you are just perhaps noticed more 30+ if your ATM receipt has a bigger $ sign than her 25 year old suitor. Still, you won't be invited to the parties etc,
 

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Let's say you hook up with a 22 year old. She's not going to stay 22 forever. If you don't care about extended relationships, you can just get a never ending series of 22 year old plates (theoretically). But if you actually want an extended relationship with someone, she isn't going to stay in her early 20s forever. I only mention this because guys here seem to think they should have 18-24 year old girls servicing them all their lives. I guess you could work the Leonardo DiCaprio system and dump them when they turn 25.
I respect your views + experience, but in reality it seems that the only fundamental reason a girl 10 years younger than you will choose you over one of her male peers, her age group + generation is MONEY/STATUS/EARNING POTENTIAL ...that or the few random chicks with daddy issues as I will acknowledge being more mature/life experienced/'with the program' can attract younger women. But at a probable ratio of 1 in 20.
 

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I respect your views + experience, but in reality it seems that the only fundamental reason a girl 10 years younger than you will choose you over one of her male peers, her age group + generation is MONEY/STATUS/EARNING POTENTIAL ...that or the few random chicks with daddy issues as I will acknowledge being more mature/life experienced/'with the program' can attract younger women.
Guys here are very down on money/status, beta bucks, and all that. I don't see it that way. If a guy has made a success out of himself, if he had the raw skill and determination to make himself a successful, why shouldn't that be attractive? Guys here want to be appreciated because of their looks. But you're given your looks (you can maximize them). But if you make yourself a success, that's something you've earned. Such things deserve respect, and if a woman respects you, that's a good thing. If a girl is gold digging, to me that's easily transparent.

I was fortunate when I was younger because firsthand I got to see a very attractive young woman who had a crush on a much older man. So I knew that attraction was possible, I saw it demonstrated.

And I'll just leave this here:
 

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Guys here are very down on money/status, beta bucks, and all that. I don't see it that way. If a guy has made a success out of himself, if he had the raw skill and determination to make himself a successful, why shouldn't that be attractive? Guys here want to be appreciated because of their looks. But you're given your looks (you can maximize them). But if you make yourself a success, that's something you've earned. Such things deserve respect, and if a woman respects you, that's a good thing. If a girl is gold digging, to me that's easily transparent.
I'd rather have a woman have a raw lustful desire for me than to be attracted toward me for how I can improve her lifestyle with my money.
 

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Guys here are very down on money/status, beta bucks, and all that. I don't see it that way. If a guy has made a success out of himself, if he had the raw skill and determination to make himself a successful, why shouldn't that be attractive? Guys here want to be appreciated because of their looks. But you're given your looks (you can maximize them).
I was fortunate when I was younger because firsthand I got to see a very attractive young woman who had a crush on a much older man.
I know we shouldn't take every word Rollo says as gospel, but I remember him saying that there's a difference between attraction and desire. A girl can be attracted to you, but not desire you.
 

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The actual untold truth and fact about men's SMV - seems like you are just perhaps noticed more 30+ if your ATM receipt has a bigger $ sign than her 25 year old suitor. Still, you won't be invited to the parties etc,
This is accurate.
 

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I'd rather have a woman have a raw lustful desire for me than to be attracted toward me for how I can improve her lifestyle with my money.
Not the point. You are high value because you are a man who has proven to be capable of handling his life.
 

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This is true and disappointing. Yes, if you are a 35 year old male, you have a better chance of having an extended relationship with a 30-35 year old woman than an 18-24 year old.



Depends on where you are in your 30s. When you're 30-33, 25-29 is not a stretch. Plenty of 32 year old men have 28-29 year old girlfriends/wives.

Let's say you're a 33-34 year old single guy. How are you going to get with 21-24 year olds? If you're on swipe apps, you might be able to swipe right on them. You'll get into their swipe queues and they can judge that way. Most women's swipe queues are externally long, even when they are 35. Imagine what a 22 year old's swipe queue is like. This probably isn't the best way to get a 21-24 year old's attention. When they are randomly swiping, they are filtering out guys who are 31+ in most cases.

Pre-pandemic, the bars were likely a better option for this, especially if you happened to find bars near a college campus.

You could day game but you'd likely do approaches on women 25+ when doing non-bar approaching. Non-bar approaching is often weaker on quantity than a good bar situation.

There's a combination of too many older guys listening to the feminist societal influences and also not being good enough to attract women 10 years younger in their 30s. If you're in your 30s and want someone 10 years younger, the threshold for achieving that is high. This is why most 30 something men are with pusssy beggars for women close to their own age.



Most 35 year old men have an access problem when it comes to much younger women.

It's a bit unusual for a 35 year old man to do random on campus approaching. I did one approach session around that age one day on a college campus. Most 35 year old men are busy working at 1 or 2 PM Wednesday when women are walking between classes. Work at home options can help men do this as opposed to being confined to an office. When I did my college campus approach session one day in my mid-30s, I was between jobs. I wasn't unemployed, I had a built in break before starting a new job.

If I had wanted to get something out of campus approaching, I probably needed to do more than just one day. Most campus day approaching sessions don't resemble this...


Also, most men don't have the guts to do random approaching of strangers at non-bar venues. This is compounded for 30+ men who have graduated from school. These men aren't going to be on campuses hustling for prospects.



Elevated SMV in one's 30s is often an achievement of career promotions, often in white collar work. Blue collar men can also experience wage growth with experience.

White collar men often dislike their work experiences more than blue collar men. Being an automotive or aircraft mechanic seems more fulfilling than working an accounting, sales, or marketing related role.

Having a higher income in your 30s might get you easier lays from 30 something childless women seeking providers. How exciting is it to be 38 and getting lays from childless 35 year old women?



How up to date are these data points? Marriage rates in the Millennial generation have been lower.

A childless divorce barely affects a woman's SMV. How much different is a woman's SMV with a childless divorce vs. a bunch of 2-5 year non-marital relationships that have failed?
You nailed. Typical lulz!

For me, it's purely sex appeal. Approaching irl I see as game. At this point, we all have used an app or ig. I don't consider it game.

You nailed everything which is in direct contrast of RP. I agree with you. While RP promotes dating younger, just about nobody does that in actuality over on the YouTubes or approaching for that matter. It takes a lot of work. Most guys cannot stomach taking the Ls. It's apparent that a significant amount of mental health seems to plague the space or are driven to madness in pickup whereas the amount of hissy fits in rp and rants on jack nobody give a ****kkk about is weak.

With clubs closed, app algorithms, #metoo, and the real pandemic, that being the abundance of soy boys/cucks/low T, few get that success. The competition is SO LOW. MY mate is foreign, trad, and married. Family. White picket fence. He was pointing out how awkward Gen Z is.

Relating to women a decade + is not exactly a cake walk. There's a ton of pc and other stuff that don't mesh well. Also, modern women are taught to be masculine, combative, and play the victim after provocateur antics. It's simpler if short lived and rnturely sexual.

Here me out. 30+ is ran through. Nowhere near as fit. Younger 20 something is insufferable but both scenarios are going to erode. I'm always going mad younger for however long as I can.

Chatted up a twenty something the other day. Girl mid twenties was starting to let it slip. Seeing girls even as young as 23 pudgy or entirely bulking season. I'm always preferring tighter and younger but D won't suck itself. Mid 20s has been my wheel house as of recent lock down nonsense. No club or bar in years.

College girls aren't exactly on my runs or workouts which aren't st the gym with this nonsense. I don't meet women into fasting, minimalism, training etc. If they do train it's more about ig and fishing for attention. Metric atm is young, dtf, cute, and compliant. Or next lulz!

Edit: would love to use receipts for my avi.

Woke up to a text from a college girl that read, "my lady parts are sore." Lulz! I died.



Cute 6/10... early 20 something. She caught hell!
 
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Let's say you hook up with a 22 year old. She's not going to stay 22 forever. If you don't care about extended relationships, you can just get a never ending series of 22 year old plates (theoretically). But if you actually want an extended relationship with someone, she isn't going to stay in her early 20s forever. I only mention this because guys here seem to think they should have 18-24 year old girls servicing them all their lives. I guess you could work the Leonardo DiCaprio system and dump them when they turn 25.
I always figure if she's a good deal younger and someone I want to date long term, at least she'll always be younger. If when I'm 60 my girl is in her early 40s, that's not bad.
 

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You nailed everything which is in direct contrast of RP. I agree with you. While RP promotes dating younger, just about nobody does that in actuality over on the YouTubes or approaching for that matter. It takes a lot of work. Most guys cannot stomach taking the Ls. It's apparent that a significant amount of mental health seems to plague the space or are driven to madness in pickup whereas the amount of hissy fits in rp and rants on jack nobody give a ****kkk about is weak.
Most men will take a lot of Ls in approaching strangers. Infields on YouTube are highly staged. Guys who look like suave approachers like ThatWasEpic or Daily Dropout edit the videos a lot. Also, ThatWasEpic is more of a prankster than an actual seducer. Though some of his approach tactics would work in the real world, it would take a lot of effort to get similar results.

There will be mental and emotional anguish and trauma from dating in the modern environment if you use swipe apps to arrange dates or do approaching of strangers. Swipe apps the worst because you experience the worst of female behavior if using swipe apps. Women using swipe apps have no regard for the men that they interact with on the apps. It is a frictionless environment. A woman's social circle is never informed of her bad behavior towards men on the apps. Additionally, in areas with population of a few hundred thousand or more, the odds that a woman will ever see a man from a swipe app date randomly again if she ghosts/flakes around the city are so low that she doesn't care if she's rude.

He was pointing out how awkward Gen Z is.
If Gen Z is awkward, the trends started with Millennials. I was born near the beginning of the Millennial generation. When I was a freshman in college in the 2001-02 school year, I was already seeing signs of antisocial behavior. Lots of people were using AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) to communicate instead of real world interactions or personal phone calls. AIM was the predecessor to texting. Also, the iPod was released in October 2001 and some of the hot girls at the gym were starting to wear earbuds in the gym, discouraging approaching. This trend grew throughout the 2000s and into the early 2010s. Since the early 2010s, most women have headphones/earbuds in while at the gym, making approaching on the general gym floor more difficult. Devices like the iPod/MP3 players and iPhone/smartphone make women more self-involved. Facebook launched in 2004 and it was heavily adopted among college men with mediocre to subpar social skills as a way to get vagina and for college women to narcissist. Instagram in the early 2010s took it to the next level.

Relating to women a decade + is not exactly a cake walk. There's a ton of pc and other stuff that don't mesh well. Also, modern women are taught to be masculine, combative, and play the victim after provocateur antics. It's simpler if short lived and rnturely sexual.
If you're a man in your 30s today, you are a Millennial. 15-20 years ago, for the older Millennials, the women were taught a lot of the same things. There was sexual assault culture on college campuses in the early to mid 2000s when the older Millennials like myself were in college.

Here me out. 30+ is ran through. Nowhere near as fit. Younger 20 something is insufferable but both scenarios are going to erode. I'm always going mad younger for however long as I can.
30+ is ran through. Both men and women in their 30s actively seeking new partners come to the table with a lot of past trauma. The cocck carousel has a way of hurting women more than promiscuity hurts men. Men in their 30s have more trauma associated with taking L's on approaching and using swipe apps. The repeated cycle of rejection has a way of hurting men. A lot of rejected men turn to porn to deal with the rejection, imagining themselves as the stud fuccking the hottie. Best to do no fap and no porn in the order to keep the seduction mind clear.

Woke up to a text from a college girl that read, "my lady parts are sore." Lulz! I died.
Nice! Being good at sex is an element of game that isn't talked about enough on this forum. Being good at sex is one of the fastest ways to get frame and to get closer to the abundance mindset.

I always figure if she's a good deal younger and someone I want to date long term, at least she'll always be younger. If when I'm 60 my girl is in her early 40s, that's not bad.
60 year old men prefer sex with a 42 year old woman as compared to a 57 year old woman. I have been turned on by women in the 30s/40s. I've seen few examples of 50+ year old women that turn me on. There are some sexy older celeb women but most men aren't running into 50+ year old women who induce erections. Even an attractive 52 year old woman at a racquet/country club can't compare to a 22 or even 32 year old.
 

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Most men will take a lot of Ls in approaching strangers. Infields on YouTube are highly staged. Guys who look like suave approachers like ThatWasEpic or Daily Dropout edit the videos a lot. Also, ThatWasEpic is more of a prankster than an actual seducer. Though some of his approach tactics would work in the real world, it would take a lot of effort to get similar results.

There will be mental and emotional anguish and trauma from dating in the modern environment if you use swipe apps to arrange dates or do approaching of strangers. Swipe apps the worst because you experience the worst of female behavior if using swipe apps. Women using swipe apps have no regard for the men that they interact with on the apps. It is a frictionless environment. A woman's social circle is never informed of her bad behavior towards men on the apps. Additionally, in areas with population of a few hundred thousand or more, the odds that a woman will ever see a man from a swipe app date randomly again if she ghosts/flakes around the city are so low that she doesn't care if she's rude.



If Gen Z is awkward, the trends started with Millennials. I was born near the beginning of the Millennial generation. When I was a freshman in college in the 2001-02 school year, I was already seeing signs of antisocial behavior. Lots of people were using AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) to communicate instead of real world interactions or personal phone calls. AIM was the predecessor to texting. Also, the iPod was released in October 2001 and some of the hot girls at the gym were starting to wear earbuds in the gym, discouraging approaching. This trend grew throughout the 2000s and into the early 2010s. Since the early 2010s, most women have headphones/earbuds in while at the gym, making approaching on the general gym floor more difficult. Devices like the iPod/MP3 players and iPhone/smartphone make women more self-involved. Facebook launched in 2004 and it was heavily adopted among college men with mediocre to subpar social skills as a way to get vagina and for college women to narcissist. Instagram in the early 2010s took it to the next level.



If you're a man in your 30s today, you are a Millennial. 15-20 years ago, for the older Millennials, the women were taught a lot of the same things. There was sexual assault culture on college campuses in the early to mid 2000s when the older Millennials like myself were in college.



30+ is ran through. Both men and women in their 30s actively seeking new partners come to the table with a lot of past trauma. The cocck carousel has a way of hurting women more than promiscuity hurts men. Men in their 30s have more trauma associated with taking L's on approaching and using swipe apps. The repeated cycle of rejection has a way of hurting men. A lot of rejected men turn to porn to deal with the rejection, imagining themselves as the stud fuccking the hottie. Best to do no fap and no porn in the order to keep the seduction mind clear.



Nice! Being good at sex is an element of game that isn't talked about enough on this forum. Being good at sex is one of the fastest ways to get frame and to get closer to the abundance mindset.



60 year old men prefer sex with a 42 year old woman as compared to a 57 year old woman. I have been turned on by women in the 30s/40s. I've seen few examples of 50+ year old women that turn me on. There are some sexy older celeb women but most men aren't running into 50+ year old women who induce erections. Even an attractive 52 year old woman at a racquet/country club can't compare to a 22 or even 32 year old.

good post. from my own experience, friends/aquintances parents tend to be what I assume is within 5 year gap of each other. although bizarelly also know of a few men with wives 10 years+ older.

where the people whose wives are 10 years + younger, the dad was extremely high up in corporations or own/owned their own business, live in very nice/expensive houses. Even then, the wen involved are average at best. 1 has a boss eye lol.

I guess on here theres a many that are extremely adept with women and so stand a better chance of pulling off a year 10+ gap compared to public without necessarily being wealthy. obviously they'll be men who are good with women who don;t post on here that could achieve the same, but I imagine its a tiny % of the overall population.

If a woman is attractive and doesn;t have some kind of underlying issues, the likelyhood is they will still settle down with someone closer to their age who is also doing well financially. you'd have to be something really special to attract a relatively stable/'normal' woman and keep her long term if you are that much older, particularly in the current climate. so you;d have to be top tier or near top tier in some of the typical values - looks, charisma, status etc as well as doing well financially.

I can;t see a stable woman who is attractive electing for a much older man otherwise. Plus add in social pressure/expectations etc. Odds are firmly against you, but no doubt some pull it off.
 
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