"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Before Sosuave and After Sosuave - Where do you stand?

Cheat_LBJ

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I've gotten much more comfortable talking with women. The bad news is, they still don't find me at all attractive.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Climax

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Originally posted by Cheat_LBJ
Before: 1
After: 3

I've gotten much more comfortable talking with women. The bad news is, they still don't find me at all attractive.
Well then thats what u need to work on next... GO GET SOME STYLE;) :up:


Laterz...
 

Cheat_LBJ

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Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
Well then thats what u need to work on next... GO GET SOME STYLE;) :up:


Laterz...
As tall as I am, the only kinda style that's gonna do me any good is an NBA Contract, and not even the Clippers are bad enough to need me. ;)

Other than that, I'm at a loss as to how to make myself seem more "normal."
 

Climax

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Here's an idea...

Originally posted by Cheat_LBJ
As tall as I am, the only kinda style that's gonna do me any good is an NBA Contract, and not even the Clippers are bad enough to need me. ;)

Other than that, I'm at a loss as to how to make myself seem more "normal."
How about u post a pic of urself and get feedback/suggestions?;)


Laterz...
 

Bonhomme

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Not entirely relevant, because I'd already learned a lot before starting to post here, but are just now starting to really internalize it.

Then: varying wildly from about 1 to 9; averaging about 4, only rarely at 8 or 9.

Now: more consistently from about 5 to 8, occasionally 9, usually about 6, rarely below 5.

I'd need cosmetic surgery to hit 10.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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lebRambo

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before, probably a 3.

now, probably a 7. Still got a long way to go! :D
 

Life-Trainee

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In regards to women:
Before: 0
Now: 3

This site made me conscious of Other problems I have. I did improve in other areas by the way I dress, carry myself, relate to people.

My confidence even though flaky is more than it was before with people in general. I've still a long way to go.

Confidence is something that is not unilateral unfortunately. It's entirely context-based. So i've a long way to go with attaining the confidence I want with women.
 

h2o

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before: -3
now: 6.5

it all depends though...but before this site, i was horrid with women...i mean...sometimes i can't believe how much i've changed, it's unbelievable
 

Egoist

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Not sure yet..

i've always been relatively good with women, but always in LTRs, recently single, and just discovered the game recently.

I got into it through evolutionary psychology/NLP kinda stuff though..

DJ/Alpha/real man thing really makes sense after reading most of those books (well the evolutionary psych stuff)

anyways, I am still a work in progress.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Blackdragon5095

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Before: -3
After: 6

I still got much more but I'm noticing how girls want to talk to me. And be around me.
 

Dysfunctional

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Before: 3 - I really sucked

Now: 5 - I don't suck as hard :) I joined about a week ago and I've gotten a date with a kiss since. Soon to be more dates and more kisses and some "hubba-hubba". :cool:
 

PRMoon

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I was at about a 8 when I started out here and i'm at about an 8.5 now i guess i'd say if I have to use numbers.
I've proven myself countless times to the masses in the past and I continue to do so now. I'm not perfect nor will I ever be but I do know I've reached a level of indifferance when it comes to picking up women. Do or die...it's all the same to me.

note: That extra half point should be compared to the comission an loan officer gets for a home loan...yeah it's that substantial.
 

thefonz

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Before One-Itis : 8

After Onetis: 2

After Sosuave (But still fluctuating): 5-7

It's gone down since before my onetis because I'm still working on training myself on not getting overly attached to girls. Although I used to be good with women it was only cus I knew I had at least one woman who I was infatuated with that I could fall back on which made me feel invincible when hitting on other women.......Now I realize how dangerous that is and I'm trying to be able to feel comfortable knowing that I don't need that 'special someone' to make my game tight. I'm trying to learn total self-reliance and it ain't easy but I've been working at it for about a year
 

Sargeholic

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Before: 6
Now: 7.5

Before I was a semi-natural with massive approach anxiety (in other words, I managed about a dozen lays in about a year of single time that was spread between a couple LTRs). Pretty much all were initiated by the girl or were drunken fools mate. I then had a 3+ year LTR with a HB8 who I came thisclose to marrying.

Now I am in the field, overcoming approach anxiety, and doors are opening. I have six solid lays and about a dozen dates since coming to here/ASF in July. Even in the last two weeks I have made huge strides.

Next step is to eradicate approach anxiety completely and start being consistent with girls who are 8+ in rating.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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S-lemond

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u think im kiding......
 

spider_007

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after - 6(that number might be a bit different if i actually went in the field)
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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