"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I thought his recent post about lying about his apartment ownership was pretty telling. And the fact that the girl wanted him to sell his apartment and buy a new one and he called her his princess. I wanted to inquire about more details, but the thread got closed and now he's banned.
Yes funny stuff. That is the love he gets for not being a sexpat.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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First of all you are driving on a road that was made from Money that were borrowed by the government . Like 99% of everything done by the government

second of all , your taxes mainly pay the government salaries , paying the interest for the borrowed money , and some basic things for people that can not afford them . Like basic healthcare , basic education , social benefits etc

for a guy that proclaims that he is rich and good at business , you really have Little to no idea about how the world works
I guess he is grown up. He does not need politics education in a pua forum.
 

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sometimes fasting is the way to move forward :)

yeah , fatties are women too , but what works on fatties does not really work on above average women . So this is why banging fatties does not really get you anywhere
If you learn to love fatties you win in life.
 

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@Epicenter no offense but what you say makes no sense .

if you are ok with what you have then it is fine , just do not share your opinions and be a keyboard jockey as long as you do not bring any value .

like you said , this is a forum where guys discuss seduction , not a place where guys cheer for banging fatties and being a sexpat

if you are ok with that , glad that you found your happiness , but maybe other guys want more from life
 

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I don't see why when they're just as entitled. Maye I only need them to respond to what works on average women, then from there work my way up to above average.
because the key is to work mainly on yourself and work on timing ( right guy at the right time ) , thst is the biggest difference between banging a fattie and an above average girl

game is only maybe 20% of the whole thing
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Not everyone of us are banging nothing but fatties @Bigpapa

The issue is that just because some of us (me) had one or two, we are now labeled and trolled for no good reason.
 

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Not everyone of us are banging nothing but fatties @Bigpapa

The issue is that just because some of us (me) had one or two, we are now labeled and trolled for no good reason.
Ok so if you do not bang mostly fatties , why do you get offended when someone calls you gay for banging hotties ?
 

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Ok so if you do not bang mostly fatties , why do you get offended when someone calls you gay for banging hotties ?
Why do I get offended when someone attacks me for no reason?
I never said I get nothing but hotties either. You guys are so extreme
 

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Why do I get offended when someone attacks me for no reason?
I never said I get nothing but hotties either. You guys are so extreme
Again , why would you feel offended for being told that you are gay for banging fatties , if you never \ rarely do it ?
 

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@Epicenter no offense but what you say makes no sense .

if you are ok with what you have then it is fine , just do not share your opinions and be a keyboard jockey as long as you do not bring any value .

like you said , this is a forum where guys discuss seduction , not a place where guys cheer for banging fatties and being a sexpat

if you are ok with that , glad that you found your happiness , but maybe other guys want more from life
This forum is also filled with doomers. So for them that would be not a bad thing
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Okay... I can still do that, while making sure I gain experience in areas that translates to all females. I don't think the whole work on yourself bit is as easily transferred to seduction success as a lot on here make it seem. Look at the recent poster who makes six figures, in shape, and still isn't getting any success.
who is that ?
 

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Again , why would you feel offended for being told that you are gay for banging fatties , if you never \ rarely do it ?
Because there are personal standards for communication. Not everybody is a drunk redneck.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Maybe due to the fact the person saying it, is intentionally showing disrespect.
only poor people feel disrespected when someone calls them poor

if You can not deal with a guy that Is neurotic , how can you deal with a girl ?
 

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only poor people feel disrespected when someone calls them poor

if You can not deal with a guy that Is neurotic , how can you deal with a girl ?
Acting like an assshole gets you called out sometimes. Deal with it.
 

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only poor people feel disrespected when someone calls them poor

if You can not deal with a guy that Is neurotic , how can you deal with a girl ?
Can’t win the argument? Don’t reply! Just like Pan. Found another kj
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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