"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I thought his recent post about lying about his apartment ownership was pretty telling. And the fact that the girl wanted him to sell his apartment and buy a new one and he called her his princess. I wanted to inquire about more details, but the thread got closed and now he's banned.
Yes funny stuff. That is the love he gets for not being a sexpat.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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First of all you are driving on a road that was made from Money that were borrowed by the government . Like 99% of everything done by the government

second of all , your taxes mainly pay the government salaries , paying the interest for the borrowed money , and some basic things for people that can not afford them . Like basic healthcare , basic education , social benefits etc

for a guy that proclaims that he is rich and good at business , you really have Little to no idea about how the world works
I guess he is grown up. He does not need politics education in a pua forum.
 

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sometimes fasting is the way to move forward :)

yeah , fatties are women too , but what works on fatties does not really work on above average women . So this is why banging fatties does not really get you anywhere
If you learn to love fatties you win in life.
 

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@Epicenter no offense but what you say makes no sense .

if you are ok with what you have then it is fine , just do not share your opinions and be a keyboard jockey as long as you do not bring any value .

like you said , this is a forum where guys discuss seduction , not a place where guys cheer for banging fatties and being a sexpat

if you are ok with that , glad that you found your happiness , but maybe other guys want more from life
 

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I don't see why when they're just as entitled. Maye I only need them to respond to what works on average women, then from there work my way up to above average.
because the key is to work mainly on yourself and work on timing ( right guy at the right time ) , thst is the biggest difference between banging a fattie and an above average girl

game is only maybe 20% of the whole thing
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Not everyone of us are banging nothing but fatties @Bigpapa

The issue is that just because some of us (me) had one or two, we are now labeled and trolled for no good reason.
 

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Not everyone of us are banging nothing but fatties @Bigpapa

The issue is that just because some of us (me) had one or two, we are now labeled and trolled for no good reason.
Ok so if you do not bang mostly fatties , why do you get offended when someone calls you gay for banging hotties ?
 

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Ok so if you do not bang mostly fatties , why do you get offended when someone calls you gay for banging hotties ?
Why do I get offended when someone attacks me for no reason?
I never said I get nothing but hotties either. You guys are so extreme
 

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Why do I get offended when someone attacks me for no reason?
I never said I get nothing but hotties either. You guys are so extreme
Again , why would you feel offended for being told that you are gay for banging fatties , if you never \ rarely do it ?
 

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@Epicenter no offense but what you say makes no sense .

if you are ok with what you have then it is fine , just do not share your opinions and be a keyboard jockey as long as you do not bring any value .

like you said , this is a forum where guys discuss seduction , not a place where guys cheer for banging fatties and being a sexpat

if you are ok with that , glad that you found your happiness , but maybe other guys want more from life
This forum is also filled with doomers. So for them that would be not a bad thing
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Okay... I can still do that, while making sure I gain experience in areas that translates to all females. I don't think the whole work on yourself bit is as easily transferred to seduction success as a lot on here make it seem. Look at the recent poster who makes six figures, in shape, and still isn't getting any success.
who is that ?
 

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Again , why would you feel offended for being told that you are gay for banging fatties , if you never \ rarely do it ?
Because there are personal standards for communication. Not everybody is a drunk redneck.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Maybe due to the fact the person saying it, is intentionally showing disrespect.
only poor people feel disrespected when someone calls them poor

if You can not deal with a guy that Is neurotic , how can you deal with a girl ?
 

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only poor people feel disrespected when someone calls them poor

if You can not deal with a guy that Is neurotic , how can you deal with a girl ?
Acting like an assshole gets you called out sometimes. Deal with it.
 

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only poor people feel disrespected when someone calls them poor

if You can not deal with a guy that Is neurotic , how can you deal with a girl ?
Can’t win the argument? Don’t reply! Just like Pan. Found another kj
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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