"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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totally agree! And yes only OLD. Believe it or not, when I first started pick up in 2012, I started with approaching. Must have done 200-400 women in a few years. Nothing. I stayed a virgin till I was 28 then I sort of figured out my own style and started online dating which was my key to success. I lost count of all the women I slept with. 2020 was the peak it seems
Oke .If its solely OLD, I think alotta dudes will be curious what worked so well for you, and if there was a clear change somewhere or in something? Maybe its easy as different pictures or something more obvious like change or location.

Maybe covid made OLD easier back then.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Oke .If its solely OLD, I think alotta dudes will be curious what worked so well for you, and if there was a clear change somewhere or in something? Maybe its easy as different pictures or something more obvious like change or location.

Maybe covid made OLD easier back then.
most of my lays came before Covid tho.

yeah I’ve tried to tell people on here but I get bashed because it doesn’t fit the narrative of the forum. Like no **** I wouldn’t be sharing it as a new thing if it did.

many ways I kept my old screen caps and am trying the same routine again. Got one potential so far attached below
 

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Yeah, but that was too risky, especially during that time when it was a new virus, people were choking to death and bodies were piling up.

If you took that risk, because your only value in life is to get laid, then that's your choice. Thankfully you are alive and well and did not get the virus or pass it on inadvertently to someone you cared about whose grandmother died because of it. But then what does that really make you out to be? The guy that got used when women were more desperate (ie because the virus scared guys out of the dating market who would otherwise be there) but now they don't need you anymore and have moved on?

I can see what has happened here. Other guys who were more cautious and waited the virus out are now back into the dating market and your SMV is not high enough with that rising tide to sustain the same numbers.

The solution is to get with the times. The problem now is inflation and the cost of living, not the virus anymore. Now the women are looking for simps and sugar daddies who can take care of them because costs are going over the roof and are now using guys with money now. Different time, different niche scenario. You simply have to start spending allot of money on women and pretend like you have money. This broke-act where you can't even spend a dollar for coffee is not going to work.
What part of “most of my lays were before Covid” did you not understand?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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OP,
This thread you started and your responses are coming from insecurity
 
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This aged well :lol:

So I'm back for a minute. Basically I've been an incel since this post. Had sex a grand total of 7 times this year compared to 82 times last year, and over 200 the year before that.

Part of me wants to blame the, I don't even know what you call it, current economic and social climate? Who knows. All I know is it hit me today when my fwb was back in town this weekend and we found each other on the dating app. She says she has a steady BF rn (and yet shes on a dating app), anyhow the fact she didn't want me when last time she was around we were ****ing like rabbits, kinda hit me in the "WTF happened to me?" zone of my brain.

I thought taking some time off of this forum would help. I did find a new fwb for a while but things just ended. Our last convo was about tofu and my last response to that was tofu harms testosterone. No reply and I never reached out, so that was that.

So.... yeah. I just feel a bit lost RN. When I came to this forum the last time, I was abundant with 5-6.5's and looking to up my game. Now I'm an incel that gets laid 7 times in a year. Wtf happened?

In other news, got a new job and making a **** ton of money. Ironically I feel like this has made me an even further beta since I'm an employee again, although I am diverting most of my pay to my investments in my hail mary to get to financial freedom.

Hope you guys are well.
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There is a Zen saying:

Before enlightenment: mountains are mountains, and waters are waters.

During enlightenment: mountains are no longer mountains, and waters are no longer waters.

After enlightenment: mountains are once again mountains, and waters are once again waters.

I suspect you are in the “During enlightenment“ phase.
Your Zen saying did not help you keep mentally stable. In the middle of your life, posting here, getting emotional when somebody says what you don't like, having a midlife-crisis because you banged less sloots than last year. Get a load of this guy.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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@SargeMaximus

If it makes you feel any better I'm a bigger incel than you are and I'm for the most part a happy dude.
 

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Don't set a benchmark for yourself pre-covid and expect to meet it now. This pandemic changed the playing field for everyone. You are doing fine mate so don't overthink it as it's not good for your mental health.
 

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Don't set a benchmark for yourself pre-covid and expect to meet it now. This pandemic changed the playing field for everyone. You are doing fine mate so don't overthink it as it's not good for your mental health.
Ok thanks. It’s just frustrating. Especially now that I’m pretty sure dating apps use algos to decide who can match and who can’t. I think I was with an undercover last year. That was a weird one
 

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Ok thanks. It’s just frustrating. Especially now that I’m pretty sure dating apps use algos to decide who can match and who can’t. I think I was with an undercover last year. That was a weird one
I was just thinking about this yesterday, why the fvck do the dating apps even use algorithms to push the most matched and desired people to be displayed first? Who decided on that reasoning?
 
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I was just thinking about this yesterday, why the fvck do the dating apps even use algorithms to push the most matched and desired people to be displayed first? Who decided on that reasoning?
Maybe they’re a business and are pushing the best marketable product?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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