"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Asked my boss out

SW15

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On a more serious note, why on earth would you ask your boss out?
I would like to know the answer to that as well. I've never had any interest in asking any of my female bosses on dates, even if they were available.

You are not a teenager hitting on a shift manager at a sh!tty part-time service industry job.
I could see the appeal of an 18-19 year old man hitting on a 26-29 year old manager at some shiity part-time service industry job. Female managers at fast food restaurants typically aren't attractive, but a female retail store manager at a place like Macy's or Nordstrom's has the potential to be an attractive woman.

One of the biggest advantages of working in the service sector is being able to date your co-workers. More corporate, office type work isn't good for dating co-workers.

You are 40 years old and presumably have a real career. You should know better.
It's a sign of being a beta male. A lot of betas will dip their pen in the company ink because they see it as easier than approaching strangers.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Asking her out a second time is not an option? Just stay away?
 

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This is going to end in disaster and a sexual harassment claim along with your firing if you aren't careful.

Very very few companies allow any sort of realtionship between two employees where one has a direct reporting relationship to the other for obvious conflict of interest reasons.

I have no idea why you would do this if this is an important job to you.

This is mind numbingly stupid on your part.
 

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I have no idea why you would do this if this is an important job to you.

This is mind numbingly stupid on your part.
This is even more true in an economic in a recession.

This is going to end in disaster and a sexual harassment claim along with your firing if you aren't careful.

Very very few companies allow any sort of realtionship between two employees where one has a direct reporting relationship to the other for obvious conflict of interest reasons.
This is always true at the corporate level and can even apply at the store level in a service sector McJob.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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This is even more true in an economic in a recession.



This is always true at the corporate level and can even apply at the store level in a service sector McJob.
Pretty much every employee handbook has a section dealing with this
 

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This is going to end in disaster and a sexual harassment claim along with your firing if you aren't careful.

Very very few companies allow any sort of realtionship between two employees where one has a direct reporting relationship to the other for obvious conflict of interest reasons.

I have no idea why you would do this if this is an important job to you.

This is mind numbingly stupid on your part.
I heard she dated a guy from the company 2 years ago. An iraq dude jacked on roids. She is very hot.
To be honest I’m a little scared I dated my boss in my last job for a year and when she left me I was a mess and eventually I got fired. Mind you I was dating her before I started the job.

I think I did my part asking her out once. If I ask her out again and she feels the pressure things can end up bad.
 

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I heard she dated a guy from the company 2 years ago. An iraq dude jacked on roids. She is very hot.
To be honest I’m a little scared I dated my boss in my last job for a year and when she left me I was a mess and eventually I got fired. Mind you I was dating her before I started the job.

I think I did my part asking her out once. If I ask her out again and she feels the pressure things can end up bad.
So without really knowing any details you just thought it was a good idea?

The only way this could possibly be OK for you is if she was the one who pursued you and then YOU could have a valid sexual harassment claim by saying you felt your job was at risk if you said no to her.

Not a smart move on your part.
 

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So without really knowing any details you just thought it was a good idea?

The only way this could possibly be OK for you is if she was the one who pursued you and then YOU could have a valid sexual harassment claim by saying you felt your job was at risk if you said no to her.

Not a smart move on your part.
I think I’ll stay away for now at least. There’s a company party coming up in 2 weeks.
I did my part asked her out once she told me she was busy this weekend. Then she added on Facebook and I sent her a msg saying hi and stuff like that and she didn’t reply. Honestly I think ball is in her court at this point. Asking her out again could be a mistake regardless if she is my boss or not. I’m usually fan of a one strike rule
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Should I just ignore her at the party and on every time I see her at the office taking in consideration she rejected me or escalate with her slowly ?
 

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Should I just ignore her at the party and on every time I see her at the office taking in consideration she rejected me or escalate with her slowly ?
She is your fvcking boss. How exactly do you ignore her?

I mean what, she is going to ask you to meet her in her office for a one on one and you just don't show up?
 

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She is your fvcking boss. How exactly do you ignore her?

I mean what, she is going to ask you to meet her in her office for a one on one and you just don't show up?
U know what I mean, remove my attention from her , hi and bye and polite but distant

I had been flirting with her at the office we even went for lunch together. So I mean doing now the opposite.

honestly I looking for advice to get her out on a date with me lol
 

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I hear you guys. Sucks im really into this girl.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Dios mio, just drop it already. Worshipping the vageen brought only destruction and damnation upon every man in history with no exception, starting with a story as old as time itself: Adam and Eve. Unless she is a chaste virgin you were penpals for five years sharing your undying love for one another there is no reason to get hung up.
 

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To be honest I’m a little scared I dated my boss in my last job for a year and when she left me I was a mess and eventually I got fired.
@RicBoy, The definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result…
Stop and think about you trying to get into her pants and if it personally benefits you other than only physically gratifying your built up lust for her …
 

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I am really curious what you perceived as her being “quite flirty” with you. What kinds of things did she specifically do that was flirty?

Is there any chance you may have mistook her simply being friendly, as more than that?

Does she treat you different than your co-workers?

How long have you worked together?

Is there a noticeable age difference?
you just do not send a message out of nowhere asking to meet in a particular day or days , especially if it is just a couple of days difference from now and then

you talk -> at a high momentum you soft close ( we should grab a drink some time -> hard close ( how your schedule looks like this week or next week )

guys have no idea exactly how things are because they jump the gun and go directly for the hard close
 

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So my female boss has been quite flirty lately, so I pulled the trigger and sent her a message asking her for drinks over the weekend. She said it was a sudden request and her weekend was full booked. I told her cool to hit me up later when she would be free, she didn’t reply.

That same night she added me on Facebook, I accepted the friend request and sent a flirty message just saying hi more or less. She didn’t reply.

How to act around her now ? Continue flirting or remove my attention and just be polite but distant? And there will be a company party in 2 weeks, ignore her at the party for the most part or make a move ?

I heard 3 years ago she dated a worker in the company by the way.
You should have not accepted the freind request. Let her feel a little rejected herself - and watch her get more flirty at work. You got time to suceed with this one, no hurry.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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