"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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are most of you getting laid on the first date itself ?

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penkitten said:
you speak to inanimate objects?

if you want to relate men and women as inanimate objects then you should consider the men being a transmission and a woman being a radio.
So, in other words that's a "no comment" then?

I'm sure you understood my point.

Hyde said:
If an engine could speak and had emotions, I'd ask both the mechanic and the engine. Sure, the engine may not know why it runs, but it could tell me how it feels while it's doing 90 MPH on the freeway.

Studying women is like studying any other subject. You must take both perspectives into account before you can make an educated decision. Otherwise, you're not well informed.

This website is not a complete guide to seducing women. None of the books written about seduction are complete guides to seducing women. They are only resources to study seduction. This might come off as a low-blow, but guess what? Every true "master of seduction" has talked to women about their theory's too.
Hey, I'm not saying you shouldn't get a woman's perspective on things. And I'm not trying to bust on penkitten here at all, even if it seems that way.

In fact, in one of my other posts I suggested that someone go buy a bunch of women's magazines and read them. It helps you get into their frame, understand that they are studying US in the same way we here are studying them, and it lets you see just how insecure a lot of women are by what they talk about. Very therapeutical for someone who puts women up on a pedastool.


But let me ask you a question. Have you ever really liked a girl, and you were friends with her friend, so you asked her advice on what you should do to get her?

How did that work out for you?

Let me just say this one thing and I'll leave it at this: Be careful asking a WOMAN'S advice on how to get another woman. They tell you what they THINK they want, but it's not what they want at all!

I'm sure most of you here have been friendzoned before and have heard the girl *****ing about her boyfriend and how he treats her like ****. Then she goes into a diatribe about "oh why can't i find a guy who is nice? who will treat me good? etc."

And you are sitting there thinking: HEY, I'M RIGHT HERE! DAMN!

They think they know what they want, but they DON'T. And that's just a fact of life, not a negative comment towards them at all.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I understand what you're talking about when it comes to a woman's advice. But it's not about the womans advice at all. It's just about becoming familiar with females in general, and being familiar with the individual female that you're dealing with. As far as the general is concerned, I was able to do so because my family has a lot of women.

Thats at least what I meant when I said to get a womans perspective. Kinda like how a hunter learns his targets patterns and routine. Making it more likely that he'll kill his prey, rather than just hoping he'll even find a target.
 

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BlackJackal said:
I understand what you're talking about when it comes to a woman's advice. But it's not about the womans advice at all. It's just about becoming familiar with females in general, and being familiar with the individual female that you're dealing with. As far as the general is concerned, I was able to do so because my family has a lot of women.

Thats at least what I meant when I said to get a womans perspective. Kinda like how a hunter learns his targets patterns and routine. Making it more likely that he'll kill his prey, rather than just hoping he'll even find a target.
I agree with that.

PERSPECTIVE is one thing, ADVICE is something completely different. Never take a woman's ADVICE on picking up women. ALWAYS listen to her PERSPECTIVE on women.
 

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Vypros said:
But let me ask you a question. Have you ever really liked a girl, and you were friends with her friend, so you asked her advice on what you should do to get her?

How did that work out for you?
Some of the best advice I've ever received came from women.

There are hundreds of female dating experts out there with hundreds of male clients who've had great success from a female's dating advice. (http://www.datingtomating.com/about.asp)
 

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Vypros said:
So, in other words that's a "no comment" then?

I'm sure you understood my point.
my comments were pretty clear , perhaps you need to reread them.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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KneghtRyder said:
or do women still hold out for 3 to 4 dates before putting out....
The vast majority aren't getting laid on ANY date. That's why they're here. The best way to learn is to do, just go out and see which date you get laid on.
 
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