"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Appropriate time for the second kiss?

mothballs

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Some of you may remember that my mom introduced me to this girl at an afternoon get together at her place. It turns out I didn't have to do anything to get her cell number because I had told my mom that I liked her taste and she goes and tells the girl and drops the number in my lap... while I was on here asking advice about calling her at work. So I called her up and set up the first date etc.

We just went out last night and I had a great time with her and it was clearly the right time go give her a kiss at the end of the date... she leaned in as I did... All in all I had a great time. She said she also had a great time and agreed to a second date next weekend and told I her I'd call her this week (planning on Tues.) about it. So... now what the hell do I do about the second kiss? Is it a nono to greet her next time (thinking this is not the best idea) with a kiss? Or should I try to escalate at some more romantic time during the date? (or both?) The first date was just some coffee, dinner at Friendly's and an artsy fartsy movie... light stuff. Next will be a more romantic setting for dinner and some form of entertainment in a one on one setting (movie at her place probably). Obviously I need to at the very minimum close our dates from now on with a kiss.

And an FYI, my previous and only real GF was my friend and we were fooling around before we ever went on a real date. I've spent 9 years mostly staying out of the thick of College womanizing drama... screening a handful of women but never really finding a spark that told me to persue. Everything I did last night was fresh material simply from reading books on small talk, body language, psychology and forums like this one. I'm proof positive that if you just put what you know into action it will work. Maintaining conversation and keeping body language in check wasn't nearly as hard as I had it in my mind.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Kiss on the cheek for hello. You cant go wrong. then give here a real kiss as soon as there is a pause in the convo.
 

mothballs

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I'm more looking to aviod the wrong time... Doesn't sound like there's really an answer to that.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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mothballs

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sodbuster said:
If she's into you,the only wrong time will be infront of her parents.
haha true... though we're both adults so there's less of a threat of running from shotgun blasts. That's how I guaged the first kiss... we were standing out on the sidewalk, with maybe a couple onlookers a block away, but we were clearly getting along great, so I just went for it. I knew once we were sitting there watching the movie that I'd do it, but I didn't pull any bull**** moves in the theater like she might expect... just let her wait and guess if I had the balls to do it at the end of the night.
 
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