Anyone here from Russia?

[Who Dares Win]

I strongly believe that this sanctions are harming western governments more than the russian one for one simple fact.

Progressivism, niceness and compliance exist only when the average citizen lives above a certain threeshold in terms of prosperity and satisfaction.

Right now the middle class is turnin poor and poors are pretty close to the "nothing to lose" phase.

Now that average young man that no only doesnt get laid, not only lives a second class citizen toward law and culture but is also tight on gas (litterally) I see stability decreasing quite fast and provocateurs being given a great opportunity.

 

[Bokanovsky]

That is not what I said at all. I do not support any of those decisions by the US government.



I believe all American citizens are complicit in the actions undertaken by the US government. That’s why I laugh at the weak both sidesism.

Then you have an obligation to overthrow the American government, just like the Russians have an obligation to overthrow Putin, according to your theory. But of course, you haven't lifted a finger to do so (I know that because you are neither dead nor in jail at the moment). Your hypocrisy is astounding.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Then put your money where your mouth is, go to ukraine and sign up to fight with them like so many others are. (assuming that's even happening).

Lots of muslims did this when ISIS was up and running and they found a rude awakening.

The only fighting he'll be doing is with his mouth. Like every tough guy keyboard warrior in history.

 

[zekko]

One hope through all of this is that China will see what bad "publicity" this is for Russia, and they will think twice about doing the same in Taiwan. China is very business oriented, after all, and it's possible they might see doing something like that as bad for business. Even though they've probably benefited from this so far.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Then you have an obligation to overthrow the American government, just like the Russians have an obligation to overthrow Putin, according to your theory.

Yes. If Biden decides to annex Ontario, then just invade Canada altogether, Americans need to stop him.

But of course, you haven't lifted a finger to do so (I know that because you are neither dead nor in jail at the moment). Your hypocrisy is astounding.

There is no hypocrisy. Your pro-Putin both side-ism is simply a shvt argument.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This situation was provoked over many years. What happens in the Ukraine right now is horrible.
Russia and the Ukraine should have been sanctioned long time ago, but what happened in Donbass and on the crimea isle was tolerated by our governments in the west till it was too late.
This conflict could have been avoided if we, Europe and the US wouldn‘t have been so selfish and arrogant

It is not the West’s responsibility to appease Vladimir Putin.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Yes. If Biden decides to annex Ontario, then just invade Canada altogether, Americans need to stop him.

What's different about Ontario compared to Syria, Iraq, Haiti, Panama, Grenada, Serbia, etc.?

 

[EyeBRollin]

What's different about Ontario compared to Syria, Iraq, Haiti, Panama, Grenada, Serbia, etc.?

You support the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we get it.

 

[Bokanovsky]

You support the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we get it.

Who is "we"? So far, you seem to be the only one to reach this nonsensical conclusion.

 

[Zimbabwe]

No they are not the “new Jews.” The Russian people are rightfully being held accountable for the actions of their government. It is their responsibility to preserve the image of their country in the eyes of the world. The fact is Russia invaded Ukraine, instantly turning millions of Ukrainians into refugees. There is no “both sides at fault” or “both sides deserve sympathy” here. Russian people have to do something to get rid of Putin- as difficult as that may be.

How is the peoples fault? Sanctions wont make them rebel it just makes life harder for them.

Look at Cuba,Venezuela,Iran and North Korea as examples.

 

[EyeBRollin]

How is the peoples fault?

It is the citizens responsibility to hold their government accountable.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Please explain how you recommend they hold Putin et. al. accountable.

Remove him from power.

 

[Who Dares Win]

We just found out that world governments need western world approval to hold position.

If western govs (Us and his euro puppies) disagree with that it will be either bombing and invasion toward small countries, open economical war if medium sized ones or harsh sanctions toward their people and leading class if big and nuke powered.

Also social network will openly tolerate hate and violence preeching against them in order to support peace.

From the director of "If you liked 2020, you will loved 2021" and its spin-off "curfew, simple sugars and pills".

 

[EyeBRollin]

By what means?

A coup.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Remove him from power.

LMAO

 

[EyeBRollin]

We just found out that world governments need western world approval to hold position.

If western govs (Us and his euro puppies) disagree with that it will be either bombing and invasion toward small countries, open economical war if medium sized ones or harsh sanctions toward their people and leading class if big and nuke powered.

It sounds like your grievance is that the western alliance of liberal democracies exercised their right to abstain from doing business with countries that violate international law.

 

[Who Dares Win]

It sounds like your grievance is that the western alliance of liberal democracies exercised their right to abstain from doing business with countries that violate international law.

I have no idea what you get out of my words except for what your desire and fantasies suggest so I will be pretty clear.

I'm saying that there is NO "western alliance", there is the US which is the chief that takes the decisions and a bunch of vassals that despite it often goes against their own interest decide to follow such chief cause the conseguences of not doing so would be worse given their political and economical dependance.

When I say the US, I mean the establishment that runs it, definitely not the population which gets no benefit out of those manouvers.

Regarding international law, we know it's a joke...the us army is bombing 3 countries per decade and china is tormenting minorities since forever.

 

[EyeBRollin]

By all 150 million Russians? Usually these things are pulled off by small revolutionary groups, the military proper, or military juntas. Not Dmitri Q. Public, his wife, and 2.4 kids. However - if enough Russians become uncomfortable, something large scale could take place.

Yes, bro. The responsibility to stop Putin falls on the Russian people. Not the US or NATO.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'm saying that there is NO "western alliance", there is the US which is the chief that takes the decisions and a bunch of vassals that despite it often goes against their own interest decide to follow such chief cause the conseguences of not doing so would be worse given their political and economical dependance.

When I say the US, I mean the establishment that runs it, definitely not the population which gets no benefit out of those manouvers.

Why do you believe the US “establishment” makes decisions not in the interest of of the US population or allied countries?

Regarding international law, we know it's a joke...the us army is bombing 3 countries per decade and china is tormenting minorities since forever.

Ok bro. There are always rules of engagement and war. Not sure why that would be so angering.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Why do you believe the US “establishment” makes decisions not in the interest of of the US population or allied countries?

For the same reasons roman elites did, british ones did and any other elite that runs a country does.

Do you believe printing your purchasing power away was in your best interest? forcing your to pay money to quit your citizenship so they cant tax you even if you live in the other side of the world is?



Ok bro. There are always rules of engagement and war. Not sure why that would be so angering.
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Yes there are on the paper but it only takes a few drop of dirty water in a test tube to make it legitimate the bombing of a sovereign country.

The strongest in the current moment (whoever is) doesnt need to follow rules nor give explanations.