Anyone else experiencing huge drop off with Dating Apps?

[Chow Mein]

You face zero risk of rejection with dating apps, what can you honestly expect?

I have a process in place where I have pre-typed messages in Notes that I copy and paste to everyone that matches me. I never think about what to write because my cookie-cutter responses drive the conversations regardless of how they respond. Doesn’t matter anyways, it’s 90% your profile and the rest is not being a social degenerate.

Women are always going to be fickle, even those that I’ve built rapport while opening them in everyday life.
Build your best life, women can choose to follow. Those that don’t are missing out, their loss.

 

[I_have_BDE]

A lot less on old. Ever since 2021 in seems. Before covid it was easy to get numbers on old when asking. I'd say my overall reply rate between all sites was 15 percent. 60 percent of time I'd get a number when I ask.

Now a ton less women and ton less hot ones. Nit even worth paying for anymore just to see older or fat women.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I don’t think a lot of women would tell you that they were very happy with the quality of their experience from apps.

Lol that might have to do with the post directly above yours, #39

 

[Divorced w 3]

Lol that might have to do with the post directly above yours, #39

All this negativity is making me wonder if I should fire them back up. It seems like the barrier to entry is pretty low.

 

[Solomon]

You face zero risk of rejection with dating apps, what can you honestly expect?

I have a process in place where I have pre-typed messages in Notes that I copy and paste to everyone that matches me. I never think about what to write because my cookie-cutter responses drive the conversations regardless of how they respond. Doesn’t matter anyways, it’s 90% your profile and the rest is not being a social degenerate.

Women are always going to be fickle, even those that I’ve built rapport while opening them in everyday life.
Build your best life, women can choose to follow. Those that don’t are missing out, their loss.

Totally agree having a "System" in place works a lot of wonder, 90% of women ask the same questions anyway, until you get a woman out in person you are just another face to them. Another thing I would recommend is trying to get woman on a date in 20 messages or less if she is interested this shouldn't be a problem also you should never have to ask a woman out more than once to go on a date if she gives you the runaround or tries to ignore you asking her out she is not serious about meeting you and looking for validation. I personally found in myt experience the women that show the highest interest are the most keen, you gotta strike while the iron is hot. To many guys chasing after low-interest or mid-interest women then wonder why these women flak, ghost or don't respond back after the date etc.

Women are ruthless when it comes to OLD and men should be as well, to many men chasing after women who have no interest

 

[Solomon]

Also recently I had a plate show me her dating app before she deleted it(she was burned out nor cared to see other men), she had over 350 Likes in her queue and 100 matches

100 matches break down​

• 40 Guys never sent her a message
• 30 Guys' first message was if she was DTF or something in that manner (she never responded to those)
• 10 Guys sent Dyck pics as their first message (no response to those)
• 20 Guys she was conversing with

What's the point of me posting this? the point is that while yes women have shytons of options more than men (I only had 4 matches compared to her on said app) the options that women have are either 1. To thristy 2. Lazy or 3 socially awkward in real life i.e. she went on a date with a guy who didn't say shyt and was quiet the whole time.

I would say that half the guys were better looking than me but their messages or game was atrocious, 50% of the battle you face once you match with a chick is getting her to meet in person, but if you got some solid game and you're able to take her out you can make a great first impression.

I asked my plate why she deleted the app and she basically told me I was the most interesting&fun guy she met off it (not tooting my horn) and she enjoys being around me

Game is Game

 

[Solomon]

I had to delete my dating apps recently due to them becoming unusable. I was mainly on Hinge as the other apps were practically useless after the first 2-3 months and with Bumble I was using it very sporadically like once every 3 months . I started using the apps in November 2021 and NEVER reset my profile or used new phone etc.

Since the start of 2023 the dating apps took a HUGE DIP for me. I took a long break over a year and came back a few months into 2024 and everything got exponentially worse. The only statistic that seemed to remain the same was match rate. I didn't tally the stats but these are rough estimates:

• Tinder was only viable the first 2-3 months, couldn't get matches after that. BY FAR the worse app for me
• Response rates plummeted. About 60% of chicks respond to initial opener but like 90% of convos don't go past 2 message exchanges. Before I would say that out of the chicks that responded to initial opener that at least 20% of the convos would go past 2 messages. Now maybe between 1/15 to 1/20 matches actually engage past 2 messages
• Response quality plummeted as they would ask less questions and be less engaged in the convo. Chicks barely engage in conversation and the time they take to respond has gotten worse. It got to a point where it started to feel like a red flag if the chick was actually moderately engaging in the conversation. I will elaborate on that in a later bullet point
• Match to date ratio extremely plummeted. Before my match to date ratio was like 1/20 but this year its been something between 1/50 to 1/60. When I first jumped back on Hinge it took me a week to line up a date but since I was going on maybe 1 date a month and occasionally I would go 5-6 weeks without a date. I used to be able to consistently go on at least 2 dates per month
• Quality extremely plummeted. The chicks who barely pass the minimum attraction test seem to be the only ones agreeing to come out. Previously most of the chicks would comfortably clear it
• Dating quality plummeted. All the chicks that made it past the 1st date have been extremely low effort women. They never initiate convos and take longer to respond than what I'm used to. You can also tell that they have a lot more baggage than normal due to their demeanor, the stuff they would talk about on dates and the questions they would ask. Also they are A LOT less flirty and more complicated to set up dates with
• Scamming and Attention-Whoring increased exponentially. The percentage of chicks hunting for ig followers or who were just messaging looking for validation has increased a lot. I had mentioned in an earlier bullet point that it started to become a red flag if a woman was even moderately engaged in the conversation. 9 times out of 10 they ended up being ig scammers or girls who are only on apps seeking attention

Has this only been happening to me or can anyone else relate?

The reason why matches and responses on Hinge have dropped of is Hinge now has implemented a new feature since last summer that basically limits womens swipes. Meaning if they have 8 unread messages or conversations, they do not get any more swipes until they speak to them.

Instead of women talking to men, they 1. Have become even more picky or 2. Have given up on Hinge. In theory ,this is a great idea because it forces women to talk to their existing matches, forcing them to engage instead of just trying to stack matches for validation but women are so lazy with lack of effort, they would rather not use the apps then talk to 8 guys at most.

 

[Barrister]

I recently downloaded Bumble more out of boredom than anything. Don’t care at all what happens on it. But my observations are consistent with the last time I was on it which was back in 2021:

1. I get matches, but routinely I match with women who are on average about 1.5-2 full HB levels lower than what I can pull IRL. IRL I can pull HB 8-8.5. On OLD, my best match is usually going to be about a HB 7; but my average match will be more like a HB 6.5.

2. Women many times will simply not DM worth a damn and the conversation dies out fairly quickly. You know who’s really interested relatively quickly. Within a few message exchanges.

3. It’s time consuming with not a lot of payoff. Frankly, there’s way better uses of time. I’d rather just save up for cold approach and go for hotter women. I can see how average men would feel completely distraught over being on these apps.