As a key to confidence and approaching women and having an awkward free, fun, constructive interraction with them, keeping them off the pedestal is of high importance. Does anyone have any good tips or ideas about how to come about this? Or is it simply something you learn after time?
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Any tips for bringing those women off those pedestals?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
seethehoop
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Tbh. I think you will find it hard to get any tips given some of the sh!t you have already spewed in to this forum. This is either another failed troll post or you are genuinely being naive in thinking people will give you tips now...someone may prove me wrong but we'll see.
Sneevox
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A woman can't take the pedestal if someone else is on it.
Try stepping onto the pedestal.
To add, if a girl refuses to step down, don't waste time on her. The girl's not worth it. NEXT.
Try stepping onto the pedestal.
To add, if a girl refuses to step down, don't waste time on her. The girl's not worth it. NEXT.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
With that mentality you have already lostToast123 said:
Look, see women as people who have to prove that they are worth your time and attention. Forget they have "sugar walls" and sexy features. Realize that sex with a man is what these women are designed to do and if they don't want to sex you that is their issue. Tell yourself this till you wake up one morning removed from the seduction matrix. Then go and attract women. YMMV. Live long and prosper:rockon:Purefilth
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Seethehoop - you were wrong
foreverAFC
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once you see women for what they truly are, there is no more pedestal
zekko
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Look, I know you look at the girl and she has the long hair and the pretty face and all the curves and all that. But think of it this way - every woman on the planet has a pair of tits, she's nothing special.
You have what she wants just as much as she has what you want - maybe more. She can't get it from a space alien, so all that leaves is us earth men. She craves your maleness just as you crave her femaleness - even without all the ridiculous "games" they tell you to play here. Like foreverAFC says, there is no pedestal.
You have what she wants just as much as she has what you want - maybe more. She can't get it from a space alien, so all that leaves is us earth men. She craves your maleness just as you crave her femaleness - even without all the ridiculous "games" they tell you to play here. Like foreverAFC says, there is no pedestal.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.