B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
Please no move on/next her replies.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Any successful stories of escaping the friend zone after initial attraction?
- Thread starter B0redandl0nely
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
niceguytoalphamale
Master Don Juan
@B0redandl0nely no not really good luck.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
That means fvcking them.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
Unfortunately, she approached me today after class with her friend and I was socially awkward. I was outside smoking a cigarette and she asked why I started smoking again cause I had told her I had quit. I said "I just felt like having one." Her friend asked if I was waiting for someone and I said "I'm just chillin." Not much was said and they just walked away. I think I should have walked with them to show her that I can be upbeat and social but I didn't.
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Ignore. Get to fvcking other bishes. You have no swag with them. And wont earn it from them. Get it from the new chicks.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
I've been getting other girl's numbers but I really want to fvck this exotic African chick (my first time with a black girl). I'm debating whether I should ask her to "hang out" this weekend or wait until I see her at the next class (Tuesday). On Tuesday, I'm doing a presentation that I'm planning on doing very well on so it'll give me a nice confidence boost.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
Any opinions? If you're opinion is neither, please don't reply
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Fvck the new chycks. You need ones who are into you. Dont use alot of energy to pursue them. Chycks should want to be around you. Your sexual confidence and thus swag will rise. Be social. Be aware of whose feeling you.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
I understand that. I really do. And I'm striving towards that. But I proposed two courses of action to take and my question is, if you had to pick one, which would it be?
mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Whichever one is feeling you the most. You cant worry about race. Worry about the puzzy that desires you.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
I totally get where you're coming from but all I'm asking is, given the circumstances, would hitting this particular chick up be worth it?
RickTheToad
Moderator
IF you put some time between you and her, like months and work on yourself, it could happen. I've seen it before. It's rare though.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
So you're saying further pursuit at this point is counter productive?
RickTheToad
Moderator
Yes. Back off and work on yourself. Chasing never works... NEVER.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
Ever hear of confident persistence? Isn't that a DJ concept?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
RickTheToad
Moderator
Dude. No disrespect, but you are not there yet. Work on your self respect, health, clothes, hobbies, and purpose. There's always another one. Never chase. It's either there or it isn't. Happens to all men.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
Ugh you're not telling me what I wanna hear. Now I'm just gonna obsess on how I fvcked this up. What do you mean by self respect? Health, well I'm in decent shape even though I smoke. Hobbies? Purpose I think I'm pretty good on cause I'm in the process of earning my degree. I'm still looking for a job, I just have to focus on finals right now
RickTheToad
Moderator
Dude, we all have to take our medicine. We are a community and tell it straight even if the poster doesn't want to hear it. It's happened to me as well. It's part of the game.
Smoking is bad for you, so quit it. Work on your purpose in life. Start a side hustle. Make yourself stand out infront of the other 10 million people in New York City. Be different and in time, the ladies will follow. One thing, always, never chase a lady. All that does is push her more and more away from you. Ever see two magnets? You know when turn over the same sides, but the magnetic energy pushes each magnet away? Well, that's a dude chasing a lady. Don't do it. Let her (whomever she is) come after you.
B0redandl0nely
Senior Don Juan
Well I need to become alpha overnight then. I need to be a new man on Tuesday. Giving her a call this weekend is chasing right? Cause I don't think it's likely I'll see her months down the road. If only I'd a just made out with her when she wanted to in the restaurant...
GrowingPains
Master Don Juan
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You just can't let it go can you...
Go to therapy.
Go to therapy.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.