Age May Matter for a Man when procuring young girls

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It may be less common but I think when there’s genuine sexual attraction, age matters less esp 10 or 15 year gap.

There are good looking fit men and woman who attract younger people because they can.
They also attract people their own age so win win all around.

The key is to be healthy and fit and make an effort to look your best possible self and have a positive attitude. That’s the most attractive :).
 

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Your post has a lot of truth, but you're also taking your personal experience and scaling it up to women in general...solipsism as they call it. Not to mention you're shaming women who prefer older men by default - they aren't necessarily dumb and poorly-adjusted.
There is no shaming whatsoever in my post. My post is factually accurate.

There are younger women who marry older. They are in the minority. One of my sisters married a wonderful man who is 14 years older than she is. A cousin of mine is seriously dating a man 30 years older.

I know two other marriages with a 25-30 year age spread. Both men very wealthy (and honestly very cool guys). But I know hundreds of people. Very low percentage occurrence.

Whatever makes people happy I don’t judge. But it isn’t as common as y’all are led to believe around here. And I’m aware there may be more desirable men around here as a segment of those on SS.

So there are outliers around here. I’m an outlier myself.
 

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Shes right. Here are some stats:
Age difference in heterosexual married couples, 2013 US Current Population Survey[1]
Age difference Percentage of all married couples
Husband 20+ years older than wife
1.0
Husband 15–19 years older than wife
1.6
Husband 10–14 years older than wife
4.8
Husband 6–9 years older than wife
11.6
Husband 4–5 years older than wife
13.3
Husband 2–3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
33.2
Wife 2–3 years older than husband
6.5
Wife 4–5 years older than husband
3.3
Wife 6–9 years older than husband
2.7
Wife 10–14 years older than husband
1.0
Wife 15–19 years older than husband
0.3
Wife 20+ years older than husband

So 7.4% of marriages the husband is 10+ yrs. And 19% husband is 6+ yrs.
 
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Shes right. Here are some stats:
Age difference in heterosexual married couples, 2013 US Current Population Survey[1]
Age difference Percentage of all married couples
Husband 20+ years older than wife
1.0
Husband 15–19 years older than wife
1.6
Husband 10–14 years older than wife
4.8
Husband 6–9 years older than wife
11.6
Husband 4–5 years older than wife
13.3
Husband 2–3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
33.2
Wife 2–3 years older than husband
6.5
Wife 4–5 years older than husband
3.3
Wife 6–9 years older than husband
2.7
Wife 10–14 years older than husband
1.0
Wife 15–19 years older than husband
0.3
Wife 20+ years older than husband

So 7.4% of marriages the husband is 10+ yrs. And 19% husband is 6+ yrs.
Thanks for posting those stats.
I think the marriage stats may not reflect dating trends though.

While still not as common as dating those closer in age, I think if we’re going to see large age gaps, it will be more likely to be seen in dating rather than in marriages (excluding gold digger/ mail order bride lol).

I don’t have data on why that is but I wonder if part of it is because when dating people are more likely to explore age options that won’t require a committed investment, but when it comes to sharing a life with and investing emotionally and financially, the age thing becomes more of an issue where being at similar stages of life/ maturity etc would be more ideal if planning to start a family etc?

Always exceptions of course.
 

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Thanks for posting those stats.
I think the marriage stats may not reflect dating trends though.

While still not as common as dating those closer in age, I think if we’re going to see large age gaps, it will be more likely to be seen in dating rather than in marriages (excluding gold digger/ mail order bride lol).

I don’t have data on why that is but I wonder if part of it is because when dating people are more likely to explore age options that won’t require a committed investment, but when it comes to sharing a life with and investing emotionally and financially, the age thing becomes more of an issue where being at similar stages of life/ maturity etc would be more ideal if planning to start a family etc?

Always exceptions of course.
People will expirament more in dating. So i expect MORE age gap DATING. People will expirament with different ages and races. Folks they wont marry. Im sure a high percentage of those is to seek resources and for access. Figure 20-25%. It can be done if your put together well and have a good social life.
 

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Welcome to reality gents. I know when I was 18-22 I thought older guys in their 30s and 40s were creepy AF.

There is also the specter that young women who will go for a much older dude do so expressly for transactional reasons. In other words she’s not into you from a desire standpoint, but rather she’s into what you can do for her. Very different (not good) mind set.

The other night one of the men who approached me owned an oil & gas company. He was a gentleman, intelligent, sophisticated and high class. Rich. He was also too old (Id guess in his 70s). He had been quite handsome in his day. That much was apparent. However no way I’d get physical with him. Ick. So I declined him in his offer to take me out. We had a nice conversation and I excused myself to go mingle elsewhere.

Lots of women (particularly in my age bracket) would have been all over this man. But sexual desire is a top...TOP priority to me. No desire? I’m out. I don’t care who you are not how rich or any of that.

Young women who are well adjusted seek mates in their youth who they can pair off with and build a life with.

The young women who will date a dad bod Big Neil type? They are opportunists for one, and have a whole other set of issues to deal with.

Can it work for a much older guy and a much younger woman?

It can, but less often than you’d think, at least in the US. I always looked at age spread and would think to myself...

What happens when I’m 40 & he’s 60 needing knee replacements or a C-Pap? Or when I’m 50 & he’s 70 and has ED that Viagra won’t touch?

Meh. I’ll take someone I can traverse life with & deal with aging in the same frame of reference. Smart well adjusted women actually do think this way.

Maybe nobody wants to hear that...but it’s true.

There’s a reason middle aged men go to very poor countries to hook much younger beautiful women. Because the guy wants hot...and the girl wants a ticket out.

Transactional at its core & not desire driven from the woman’s perspective.

Not what you want to hear maybe. Time comes for all gentlemen. Even for men.
I’ve dated four half my age or more. I think you may be hoping that what you said is true so that the wall hitters might have hope.
However it is true that the media and society are working very hard to make it like you say it is. Lol

I do believe your position is as you stated. But some of us aren’t in that reality. For the bulk of men? I’m sure you’re right. But the bulk of men are noodles and desperate creepy guys.

When a young woman strikes up a conversation with me, in the sauna, at the store, etc. it’s no accident. There’s no such thing as accidents.
 

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Absolutely these young women are being shamed. Old cows are left skulking and the media and social constructs are doing their best to squash young women who are rather smart actually.

The part that kills me is if she dates and older guy she must have daddy issues. It’s automatic. Lol
But it seems to come from older women. Heifers, wall hitters, burned out tramps, divorced rapers, single moms left hanging in slvtville for the rest of her life. Lol
 

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But there seems to be a wide spread belief in the manosphere that men will always be able to pull young girls no matter how old they are. How many 45+ year olds (excluding sex tourists, expats in poor countries, and sugar daddies) are actually dating hot 19/20/21 year old girls regularly?

Really is it any surprise if a random 19yr old girl doesn’t want to f**k a much older man?
So to help put this thread into more perspective.. I look younger than my actual age. I'm 40 but I get pegged for 33 often. I figured if I get pegged for 33 I could stretch it and say 28 which could be believable. This however will need to increase as I get older obviously.

In 2017 I made out with 2 fat 22 year olds in a bar (one was really cute lol). Last year 2018 I made out with two 21 year olds... one we were both drunk in a bar, and the other I met online. That same day in the evening for when I did the day game I number closed a fat cute girl in the college bar. She was 22 and about to graduate... I lied and told her I was an assistant professor in the university... She never asked me age but knew I was older than her... she still gave me her # Now here is the main point... none of these girls knew my age... it was just physical attraction... I would think think that if a lot of them did know it and we were in a normal setting it may be a turn off..

Notice that this girl asked my age.... That was important to her... She didn't just say deflect me off saying she had a boyfriend... she wanted to know my age.. So I would venture to say the 18-21 demographic isn't really concerned with a man's wealth... They are in that party want to be cool kind of phase...

Welcome to reality gents. I know when I was 18-22 I thought older guys in their 30s and 40s were creepy AF.
Physical attraction trumps all... so if a girl is attracted to you the age won't matter as much.. However once again for this real young age demographic if you look past a certain age or they know you are past it it could hinder it... Its actually kind of funny you bring up how you used to see guys in their 30s and 40s... I remember when I was an undergraduate in college there were a few guys in their late 20s who I thought were kind of defective lol I think once you graduate and get into the real world your perspective changes but I think when you are young and sheltered you definitely are in a bit of an age bubble...

If a guy appears younger than his age he will have no problem holding the desire of a woman 10-15 years younger.
I agree for the most part... but in the 18-21 range I think that if a lot of them actually know your age it could be a turn off.

I'd have to say, and this maybe my lack of PUA, but the bee-line to "Are you single" was probably a creep-out coming from someone who clearly was several tiers above her age group. Hell, to a 19y/o, even 28 is waaay older. When I was 19, I couldn't even fathom myself becoming 25 never mind 30. The time-horizons in that age group are still incredibly short.

I agree with @BeExcellent to a large degree. A young woman in her early-20's is overwhelmingly likely to date within her own age group, and to some degree, what matters more is demographic (still in college vs out in the real world, etc). And you don't have to think too hard to project into the future that would give most people pause about a LTR.

I also don't think DJ/PUA techniques are going to be effective. The times I've been in large-gap relationships (or the ones I've witnessed) are more often a matter of the two people meeting organically. A shared activity, group, etc, where over time the inner person they are starts to be more visible than does the age difference.
I'm actually not a fan of that line.. and I'm not 100% sure I used it on this girl.. I know I did on 2 out of the 3 girls though I approached that day. I definitely made my intentions known though so if I didn't say that I asked for her # when she asked for my age... That day i was thinking that it makes my intentions more clear with the younger demographic and gives them a chance to back out if they don't like what they see lol - I don't think its a creepy line at all personally just one that isn't necessary.... It might disqualify you from a girl that does have a boyfriend... where you should always assume the sale.

There is zero issue in physically attracting women 15—25 years my junior. And that’s with looks alone. The status/wealth is a bonus.

Though age does bug them out a bit when they do find out (months later), but they always come back around.

The age is not really point of contention as much as how one looks for his age. Most men don’t age well after 40, so to see the 45 yo with the 21yo model (as AJ put it) is rare.

I like rare. Strive to be an outlier.
I think the question you were asked about your age is relevant... I don't doubt younger girls can be obtained post undergraduate college... but are you honestly saying you consistently pull western women within the 18-21 demographic? Do you think you would have picked up a lot of girls cold approaching on a college campus?

When I was in my early 20s and I heard one of our friends was 27 it felt like he was old as fvck, I guess thats the mindset people in early 20s have.

Right now in my mid 30s, I see my old 27 yrs old one almost as a kid.

I think the fact when it comes of age difference is if it comes up before or after she has the chance to see you for who you are, if she knows you first then finds out about your age its fine but if even before you speak she puts in the "too old to date" zone, you're done.
lol you are spot on! I said the same above about thinking people in their late 20s were old when I was in college haha. You're also right about the girl finding out your age after she is into you. My current girlfriend is a prime example of this... she is 10 years younger than me and I lied about my age when I met her. After she already slept with me the truth slowly came out and it was ok lol

I agree with Reyaj that it can matter. Men have a wall, too.

But I've had good success (I almost said 'luck') with young women, which has emboldened me to keep trying for them.

Part of it is I still work out at 43. Although I have a few extra pounds I'm trying to lose, I guess I carry them well.

I'm also blessed with a full head of hair and not too many wrinkles, good teeth, etc. I treat myself well on top of all of that, am generally happy, and people tell me I look 35 or so. I dress well, without trying to look younger, if that makes sense. A local here recommended I lie to girls about my age, but I'd rather just own it. Besides, the truth is a lot easier to remember.

In fact, lately I've been striking out with 20-somethings, and my only guess is it's because I'm running the wrong game and need to fix it. If they think I'm too old, that's cool, their prerogative, but you can find a lot of girls looking for an older dude.

I'm still trying to figure out what this wall is for guys... That college campus sarging experience I had was kind of a rude awakening. Although I have hooked up with girls 21 years old in 2018 and number closed a 22 year old that same night so the jury is still out. Like you I believe I look younger than I really am, but that still might be too old for the 18-21 demographic....

It may be less common but I think when there’s genuine sexual attraction, age matters less esp 10 or 15 year gap.
I believe if a girl is attracted to you then the age difference doesn't matter.... However her knowing your age ahead of time could potentially lower her interest in you..... not for all girls but definitely for some of these superficial young chicks.
 

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So to help put this thread into more perspective.. I look younger than my actual age. I'm 40 but I get pegged for 33 often. I figured if I get pegged for 33 I could stretch it and say 28 which could be believable. This however will need to increase as I get older obviously.

I think the question you were asked about your age is relevant... I don't doubt younger girls can be obtained post undergraduate college... but are you honestly saying you consistently pull western women within the 18-21 demographic? Do you think you would have picked up a lot of girls cold approaching on a college campus?
He says he attracts women 15 to 25 years younger effortlessly. Therefore, he's at least 43 years old if he's attracting women 25 years younger. I assume he's referring to women of legal age and not children. Stretch that out to 50 and he attracts 25 to 35 year old women effortlessly. If 60, then 35 to 45 year olds. There is a difference between "attracting" women and actually dating them however. One can always assume that another is or was attracted, but an actual date is something else altogether. And one platonic date is different from a sexual relationship. Much is left unsaid, perhaps wisely so.

It can be tough to get an accurate gauge of how old you look. I'm assuming people guess younger for fear of offending you. Are you able to accept any answer graciously? Most people are not. Women get offended if I guess even one or two years too high. I've learned my lesson and adjusted accordingly.
 
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He says he attracts women 15 to 25 years younger effortlessly. Therefore, he's at least 43 years old if he's attracting women 25 years younger. I assume he's referring to women of legal age and not children. Stretch that out to 50 and he attracts 25 to 35 year old women effortlessly. If 60, then 35 to 45 year olds. There is a difference between "attracting" women and actually dating them however. One can always assume that another is or was attracted, but an actual date is something else altogether. And one platonic date is different from a sexual relationship. Much is left unsaid, perhaps wisely so.

It can be tough to get an accurate gauge of how old you look. I'm assuming people guess younger for fear of offending you. Are you able to accept any answer graciously? Most people are not. Women get offended if I guess even one or two years too high. I've learned my lesson and adjusted accordingly.
You make a lot of assumptions lol You should familiarize yourself with the famous slogan around that ;)

There is a difference between 18-21 age group pre workforce versus women out of that stage that are working is my point. I don't dispute Guru is successful with younger women, I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt. But seriously stop hugging his nuts so tight
 

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You make a lot of assumptions lol You should familiarize yourself with the famous slogan around that ;)

There is a difference between 18-21 age group pre workforce versus women out of that stage that are working is my point. I don't dispute Guru is successful with younger women, I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt. But seriously stop hugging his nuts so tight
His statements are very vague. He doesn't claim to be dating anyone. He just says he "attracts" women 15 to 25 years younger. Those "younger" women could be 18. Or, they could be 60. Depends on how old he is.

Also, "attracting" women is different from dating them. Dating doesn't always mean sex.

Anyway, I just re-typed my previous post so your reading comprehension seems seriously impaired.
 

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His statements are very vague. He doesn't claim to be dating anyone. He just says he "attracts" women 15 to 25 years younger. Those "younger" women could be 18. Or, they could be 60. Depends on how old he is.

Also, "attracting" women is different from dating them. Dating doesn't always mean sex.

Anyway, I just re-typed my previous post so your reading comprehension seems seriously impaired.
WTF are you talking about? Stfu lol
 

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There are some girls who have no issues dating older guys who may bring something to the table that young guys their age may not. There’s an appeal there if he’s fit and looks young for his age and has some charm, for sure.

But there seems to be a wide spread belief in the manosphere that men will always be able to pull young girls no matter how old they are. How many 45+ year olds (excluding sex tourists, expats in poor countries, and sugar daddies) are actually dating hot 19/20/21 year old girls regularly?

Really is it any surprise if a random 19yr old girl doesn’t want to f**k a much older man?
Those are some tall exclusions. You cant tell what any couple's premise for being together. It would certainly be rude to ask.
 

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Those are some tall exclusions. You cant tell what any couple's premise for being together. It would certainly be rude to ask.
What's ironic is that the women posting are all old themselves and want to date younger men and can't. :)
 
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Those are some tall exclusions. You cant tell what any couple's premise for being together. It would certainly be rude to ask.
of course it would be rude to ask lol. But how many middle aged men do people see dating and marrying 21 year old hotties? I don’t see that many.
People should be free to date and marry who they want to date and marry. I don’t care who dates who but I’m going by what I see. Sorry but to read it here in the mansophere it would appear that middle aged men are being chased down by hot collages aged students or feel they are entitled to them.
Now not saying that some aren’t being chased down but the average middle aged man isn’t, and there’s a lot more average middle aged men than there are middle aged men who are being chased by college aged hotties.

Most people, men and women, are average. There’s a lot of puffing up that happens online and not just on the mansophere. A one time platonic coffee date becomes a plate, that kind of thing.

If a 40 yr old man can attract young hotties that’s awesome, but he’s an exception, not the rule.
 

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What's ironic is that the women posting are all old themselves and want to date younger men and can't. :)
Yeah I’m broken up about it. As you can see by the many posts I made lamenting that I can’t find a young guy. Maybe you can find and quote some of my posts.

Just biding my time before I’m tossed into the post wall fire pit.
Thanks for assuming though ;).
 

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The stats you quote are reflective of a dysfunctional, degenerate society. The optimal age gap is 15 years or more. Ideally, a woman marries and starts having children in her late teens with a man who is in his mid 30's or older. The woman is at the peak of her fertility. The man is reaching the peak of his strength and earning ability. Regardless of exact ages, age gap marriages maximize evolutionary fitness:


Women in the US however, now get married at 28 or 29 on average and have their first child at 29 or 30, if not later, when their peak fertility is between 18 and 25.

The Jewish and liberal propaganda you are reading in this thread and elsewhere is reflective of the endless lies propagated endlessly in media.

Shes right. Here are some stats:
Age difference in heterosexual married couples, 2013 US Current Population Survey[1]
Age difference Percentage of all married couples
Husband 20+ years older than wife
1.0
Husband 15–19 years older than wife
1.6
Husband 10–14 years older than wife
4.8
Husband 6–9 years older than wife
11.6
Husband 4–5 years older than wife
13.3
Husband 2–3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
33.2
Wife 2–3 years older than husband
6.5
Wife 4–5 years older than husband
3.3
Wife 6–9 years older than husband
2.7
Wife 10–14 years older than husband
1.0
Wife 15–19 years older than husband
0.3
Wife 20+ years older than husband

So 7.4% of marriages the husband is 10+ yrs. And 19% husband is 6+ yrs.
As far as OP, he's being rejected because he's ugly and trolling a college campus.
 

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The stats you quote are reflective of a dysfunctional, degenerate society. The optimal age gap is 15 years or more. Ideally, a woman marries and starts having children in her late teens with a man who is in his mid 30's or older. The woman is at the peak of her fertility. The man is reaching the peak of his strength and earning ability. Regardless of exact ages, age gap marriages maximize evolutionary fitness:


Women in the US however, now get married at 28 or 29 on average and have their first child at 29 or 30, if not later, when their peak fertility is between 18 and 25.

The Jewish and liberal propaganda you are reading in this thread and elsewhere is reflective of the endless lies propagated endlessly in media.



As far as OP, he's being rejected because he's ugly and trolling a college campus.
Lol as if I don't realize you're the same tool with new screen names who's obsessed with my posts. Your mom still doesn't have a problem with my looks btw :)
 

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Writes just like (((guru))) too lol. Dupe account confirmed.

A paranoid 50 year old trolling college campuses, telling weak mom jokes like a 10 year old and laughing at his own jokes. Any wonder why he still needs dating advice?
 
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