"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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...after the first kiss

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last night i went to the movies with a girl that ive liked for years, i know for a fact that at times she liked me too. we've been hanging out alot lately and been having a pretty good time. we would go bowling or see a movie or something, and then just sit around and talk, and eventually she would have to go, and there would be a nice pause (perfect time for a goodbye kiss) but i was to much off a ***** to do anything. so i would say "i had fun, see you soon... blah blah" and she would go.

yesterday i decided that i was going to go for it. and to make a long story short, i did. this was my first kiss and it was horribly done (lol) but i also think it was hers. i was so nervous that i just went out and asked "can i kiss you?" and she said ok. after some crappy kissing i pretty much just said my goodbyes and left.

anyway, what im asking here is how should i talk to her next and what should i say? we text alot and sometimes talk on the phone. i want to make it as un-awkward as possible, and hopefully it will not be the last time :D
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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to make it un akward as possible. keep doing what you were doing.
 

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to make it un akward as possible. keep doing what you were doing.
 

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Arizona iced tea said:
last night i went to the movies with a girl that ive liked for years, i know for a fact that at times she liked me too. we've been hanging out alot lately and been having a pretty good time. we would go bowling or see a movie or something, and then just sit around and talk, and eventually she would have to go, and there would be a nice pause (perfect time for a goodbye kiss) but i was to much off a ***** to do anything. so i would say "i had fun, see you soon... blah blah" and she would go.

yesterday i decided that i was going to go for it. and to make a long story short, i did. this was my first kiss and it was horribly done (lol) but i also think it was hers. i was so nervous that i just went out and asked "can i kiss you?" and she said ok. after some crappy kissing i pretty much just said my goodbyes and left.

anyway, what im asking here is how should i talk to her next and what should i say? we text alot and sometimes talk on the phone. i want to make it as un-awkward as possible, and hopefully it will not be the last time :D
Don't ever ask for the womans permission.

"Can I kiss you?" = Horrible. You asking is giving her the power and making you seem like you don't have the balls to take the lead and do things yourself.

Next time, just tell her "Close your eyes" and go for it.

If you don't want to make it awkward, the best advice is to forget about it. You don't want that uncomfortable feeling, well, stop dwelling on it so much and pretend it was normal, because it is.
 

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Lust said:
Don't ever ask for the womans permission.

"Can I kiss you?" = Horrible. You asking is giving her the power and making you seem like you don't have the balls to take the lead and do things yourself.
haha, i know i know i know. but i was probably more nervous than i have ever been in my life, and it was a move of desperation. and amazingly it worked :D . as i see it it was way better than just leaving without saying anything, which was probably the next option in my head.

honestly, i think just playing it off isnt going to work... we are both shy and it will just be weird unless it is brought out into the open, and i dont think talking about it would necessarily be a bad thing. or am i all wrong??? lol
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Arizona iced tea said:
haha, i know i know i know. but i was probably more nervous than i have ever been in my life, and it was a move of desperation. and amazingly it worked :D . as i see it it was way better than just leaving without saying anything, which was probably the next option in my head.

honestly, i think just playing it off isnt going to work... we are both shy and it will just be weird unless it is brought out into the open, and i dont think talking about it would necessarily be a bad thing. or am i all wrong??? lol
Well you could not mention it, and just do whatever you normally do on the phone, then next date, you kiss her, except without asking, telling her, commanding her to close her eyes. Leading the interaction.

Or, you could inject some humor into it and joke around about how bad the kiss was. Eg.

"Haha yeah, that was a bad kiss. I think I have to go home and practice, hey, hurry up and tell me how to get lipstick off my mirrors, it's pissing me off!"

It doesn't have to be incredibly funny to work. It could be something as simple as "Oh god that was such a crappy kiss, haha, I'll make it up to you later" then don't wait for a response and just talk about whatever you guys normally talk about.

Either way, I think the position your in, you can do anything, even if you screw it up a bit, it's not make or break, just make sure the next kiss is good.
 

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Well you could not mention it, and just do whatever you normally do on the phone, then next date, you kiss her, except without asking, telling her, commanding her to close her eyes. Leading the interaction.

Or, you could inject some humor into it and joke around about how bad the kiss was. Eg.

"Haha yeah, that was a bad kiss. I think I have to go home and practice, hey, hurry up and tell me how to get lipstick off my mirrors, it's pissing me off!"

It doesn't have to be incredibly funny to work. It could be something as simple as "Oh god that was such a crappy kiss, haha, I'll make it up to you later" then don't wait for a response and just talk about whatever you guys normally talk about.

Either way, I think the position your in, you can do anything, even if you screw it up a bit, it's not make or break, just make sure the next kiss is good.
i was thinking i would joke around about it... and i will :p . also, this has its good and bad parts to it, but she is actually moving 2000 miles away in about 3 weeks... so if i messed up it wouldnt be the end of the world, but im going to hate to see her go...
 
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