"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Advice on dealing with a POTENTIALLY attractive girl?

Visionist

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Some epileptic married chick is obsessed with me, and me thinking I desperately need to break this dry spell of mine have fed into her lusting for me, sexting, phone sex.

She's fat, not attractive physically, she might be cute if she lost weight, she acknowledges she's fat, though I've never mentioned it ("when you're out of hospital you can fully express your femininity" I tell her, ergo she might not repulse me when dressed and made up, but it's a long shot...) and after sending me nudes which seriously just turned me right-off, she senses I don't like her sexually. Well duh girl! I'll be visiting my mother and grandmother in her ward tomorrow, and I don't know where to take this. Dry spell is awful, hideous, a horror and a torture, I hate it, it's gotta die, die, die already! Die I say! Burn! But...

I'm obsessed with my own weight loss/fitness right now, and preparing for a major visit to NYC next May. Nothing will stand in my way. This chick has problems which her getting thin wouldn't solve, plus she's married (hates the bastard she says). She's pseudo-friend zoned me after I didn't go gaga over her nudes, but that won't last I feel. She'll be back... Do I subtly suggest we can f*ck if she loses weight? Is there a subtle way to do that, lol? She'll perhaps forget about me when she's back home and studying...
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Are you fvcking serious about this sh!t?

OMG OP, this is ridiculous...so you are going to entertain fvcking a whale because if she drops 100 lbs she might be good looking???

I don't even know what to say...this might be a new low point for this board.
 

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Are you fvcking serious about this sh!t?

OMG OP, this is ridiculous...so you are going to entertain fvcking a whale because if she drops 100 lbs she might be good looking???

I don't even know what to say...this might be a new low point for this board.
You are the most negative person on SoSuave.
 

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You are the most negative person on SoSuave.
All you estrogen filled princesses need to toughen up. I tell the truth and I don't mince words. Too many people here have onion skin when as a man you should have alligator skin...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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If you are not attracted to a woman then do not go after her. It's really that simple. I don;t judge guys going after married women, and I do not judge married women who'cheat', it's just a woman's nature to always be looking for back-ups and replacements. Women are natural cheaters. You can never really OWN a woman, it's only your turn.

Having said that... flirting with teasing married women is fine, lunch dates and an occasional kiss is fine. But for GOD'S SAKE, do not fvck them. You cross that line and lord knows what might happen.
 

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All you estrogen filled princesses need to toughen up. I tell the truth and I don't mince words. Too many people here have onion skin when as a man you should have alligator skin...
Frame it however you want. You're negative. Take a hard look at yourself.
 

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Frame it however you want. You're negative. Take a hard look at yourself.
Nah, I'm a realist. You seem to enjoy being in fantasy land with Happy Gilmore riding the hobby horse and drinking pitchers of beer...

And now apparently in these fantasy lands they don't have hot chicks walking around in lingerie like in Happy Gilmore, they have whales walking around in curtains...what the fvck is going on with people??

Have some God damn self respect for yourself.
 

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Affairs are also extremely addictive for both people. What you both think is a "hit it and quit it" can often end up as a long term FWB that could go on for a few years. Obviously that greatly increases the exposure to risk of getting caught.

And you're exchanging naughty texts by phone. <Facepalm> Especially if hubby decides to snoop and look at her phone.
 
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Nah, I'm a realist. You seem to enjoy being in fantasy land with Happy Gilmore riding the hobby horse and drinking pitchers of beer...

And now apparently in these fantasy lands they don't have hot chicks walking around in lingerie like in Happy Gilmore, they have whales walking around in curtains...what the fvck is going on with people??

Have some God damn self respect for yourself.
Huh?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Fat, epileptic, married chick...talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
 

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potentially attractive girl? what does that even mean? this thread has me perplexed.
 

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It's a girl who's cute but overweight who'd be hot if she slimmed down, that's what. Not quite a whale but still fat.

We've called it quits, although I enjoyed pseudo sex from an interested woman after an eternity wandering the searing, arid desert, I couldn't pony up the ******* factor to tell her she's fat and that the real deal would have to wait; the spell stands defiant but a little bruised. Told her to delete everything we've shared.
 

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It's a girl who's cute but overweight who'd be hot if she slimmed down, that's what. Not quite a whale but still fat.

We've called it quits, although I enjoyed pseudo sex from an interested woman after an eternity wandering the searing, arid desert, I couldn't pony up the ******* factor to tell her she's fat and that the real deal would have to wait; the spell stands defiant but a little bruised. Told her to delete everything we've shared.
Gotcha! a lot of overweight women are actually very pretty, they got to lose the pounds. I can't even force myself to have an erection with a large woman...
 

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Gotcha! a lot of overweight women are actually very pretty, they got to lose the pounds. I can't even force myself to have an erection with a large woman...
I agree, some of them have really great looking faces and then they let their body ruin their good features.

Visionist, I wouldn't fret, I think you were trying tp project your weight loss unto her, but remember, you can't control people and you cannot mold them the way you want them to be. Glad to hear you moved on to find another who was up to your standards.

Happy hunting.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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