"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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6 Hour Rule?

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Hi community,

Everyone here has gone on dates that go great and you guys sleep together quickly. But then some you need a couple dates and you eventually sleep with them. I remember Todd V saying once that it takes on *average* 6 hours of time spent with a woman(you meet in day game cold approach) to sleep with her.

Obviously, you have some super down girls who you can progress quickly. But he says that on average, 80% of girls you meet want 3 dates before you guys have sex.

What do you guys think? Are those numbers accurate?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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3 dates can equate to about 6 hours if each of those dates is 2 hours long. I tend to err on the side of making the first date 90 minutes, then the second date 2 to 3 hours. Usually by date 3 the woman has spent just enough time with you to feel comfortable, and may be cool with a hook-up happening. That said, I find hook ups happen faster when I'm not mentioning it. By date 2 I definitely go in for the kiss, but everything else is just normal conversation, a little bit of flirting and hand-holding. Just doing that and not bringing up hooking up will put you ahead of 97% of most men, which will make her see you differently... and then want to initiate hooking up, lol
 

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What do you guys think? Are those numbers accurate?
Mostly accurate. You can usually get it done in 10 hours or less of interaction time unless she's a devout practitioner of a religion and opposes pre-marital sex. If she's a devout practitioner of a religion, she'll probably suss that out of you and depart in less than 10 hours together. I've had first dates with women who were active practitioners who questioned me on religious practices in less than 3 hours of total interaction time.
 

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3 dates can equate to about 6 hours if each of those dates is 2 hours long. I tend to err on the side of making the first date 90 minutes, then the second date 2 to 3 hours. Usually by date 3 the woman has spent just enough time with you to feel comfortable, and may be cool with a hook-up happening. That said, I find hook ups happen faster when I'm not mentioning it. By date 2 I definitely go in for the kiss, but everything else is just normal conversation, a little bit of flirting and hand-holding. Just doing that and not bringing up hooking up will put you ahead of 97% of most men, which will make her see you differently... and then want to initiate hooking up, lol
Agree that doing light kino and going for the kiss early puts you ahead of the vast majority of guys. Thank you for taking your time to respond to me.
 

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Mostly accurate. You can usually get it done in 10 hours or less of interaction time unless she's a devout practitioner of a religion and opposes pre-marital sex. If she's a devout practitioner of a religion, she'll probably suss that out of you and depart in less than 10 hours together. I've had first dates with women who were active practitioners who questioned me on religious practices in less than 3 hours of total interaction time.
Religion isn't really big where I am, and mostly I'm dealing with college students too. Thank you for taking your time to respond to me.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Hi community,

Everyone here has gone on dates that go great and you guys sleep together quickly. But then some you need a couple dates and you eventually sleep with them. I remember Todd V saying once that it takes on *average* 6 hours of time spent with a woman(you meet in day game cold approach) to sleep with her.

Obviously, you have some super down girls who you can progress quickly. But he says that on average, 80% of girls you meet want 3 dates before you guys have sex.

What do you guys think? Are those numbers accurate?
Actually, what I've found is that if something doesn't happen quickly it probably won't happen at all.
 

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from my experience, its also on the 3rd date sex happens. Before, there is still alot of ASD from most girls
 
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