"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!


The 80/20 rule seems to be on steroids on online dating. You might be in the 90th percentile with looks, but it still may only lead to a few likes. If you see the chart below, women swipe right only 5% according to that data. These apps are also majority men.

Bottom line is, it's not that you're unattractive, it's that you need to be "extremely attractive" to get a real lot of matches on Tinder.

Your pics should show a high value lifestyle and no weird pics you think are cute/funny. Show yourself on a foreign trip, partying with friends (displays social value), wearing a suit, at the gym or playing sports.
No shirtless mirror pics. No pics holding a fish you caught. No pics with your mom and dad.

Your profile should be direct and point out your value. Are you over 6'? Do you have a high value job? Do you have an attractive lifestyle? Do you work out at the gym? Stay positive and don't mention things like you got dumped or broke up with someone.

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More data on Tinder likes.
 

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Get a pic with a big dog as your main (preferably q husky)
A pic showing off your body at the beach
A pic showing you doing something fun
A pic of you thats well dressed

This is basically all you need to succeed on Tinder, don't even need to worry about the Bio at all since most girls don't read it. For text game I can't really help out there since i suck at it but at least i get a lot of matches
 

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!
Get off the dating/hook up apps and start approaching women IN PERSON.
 

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Get a pic with a big dog as your main (preferably q husky)
A pic showing off your body at the beach
A pic showing you doing something fun
A pic of you thats well dressed

This is basically all you need to succeed on Tinder, don't even need to worry about the Bio at all since most girls don't read it. For text game I can't really help out there since i suck at it but at least i get a lot of matches
If all else fails, just follow what Simon Leviev did. He's not the most handsome guy, but he was able to bag a ton of chicks on Tinder. Just ghost before the shiet hits the fan. I'm sure there's a ton of guys who are doing the same thing but on a smaller scale.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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g time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually,
That's fine and dandy; but are you a high value guy that plays in the big league of the 20-10%?

Women these days are so delusional in their hyped hybergamy that if you are not high value then you have no value!

Dumb your smart phone in the bin and approach chicks IRL instead. 90% of all guys doesn't do this because they are too intimidated to do it, so they hide behind these shiete dating apps when gives you no leverage.

See for example these two.. (First video starts at the point he talks about high value guys why chicks chase them):

I haven't seen video two, I just stumbled over it and thought it was appropriate for the subject/post.
 
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Tinder is 76% male. Imagine going to a bar that was 76% male. You'd leave quickly.

The competition is fierce on Tinder, as well as Bumble and Hinge. It's not worth playing on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge unless you are a top guy. It's difficult to say what overall percentile guy that you need to be. @fakefonzie -- It's good that you are called an 8-8.5 on looks in real life. That might make using Tinder debatable, but not only to you have to be tops in looks, you either need a high paying job (if you have a clean cut look) or be a criminal-esque tattooed dirtbag (if broke). Guys in the middle tend to be ignored, both on looks and money.

Based on how competitive Tinder is, I would recommend skipping it. I'd also recommend skipping Bumble, Hinge, and every other swipe app out there and focus on real life approaching endeavors.
 

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!
Try other dating apps. From what I hear Tinder blows. Have always had success on Bumble and Hinge.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Get a pic with a big dog as your main (preferably q husky)
A pic showing off your body at the beach
A pic showing you doing something fun
A pic of you thats well dressed

This is basically all you need to succeed on Tinder, don't even need to worry about the Bio at all since most girls don't read it. For text game I can't really help out there since i suck at it but at least i get a lot of matches
No, you also have to be really good looking in addition to that.

You think an ugly 5'7" guy can do the aforementioned things and be successful?

Furthermore, my suspicion is this guy overestimate his attractiveness
 

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But my mom says I’m a very handsome boy

Jk, I mean my evidence is just from asking a few girls that I know, they might be overestimating just to be nice, however I am 6’2” 177lbs lean muscle have a decent jawline and fair skin.
 

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Get off the dating/hook up apps and start approaching women IN PERSON.
Definitely that is more preferable, unfortunately I work a lot of hours for my job, between that and the gym it’s difficult to carve out time to go out and game. I figured OLD would probably work for me bc I can swipe while on breaks or in between sets
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Tinder is 76% male. Imagine going to a bar that was 76% male. You'd leave quickly.

The competition is fierce on Tinder, as well as Bumble and Hinge. It's not worth playing on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge unless you are a top guy. It's difficult to say what overall percentile guy that you need to be. @fakefonzie -- It's good that you are called an 8-8.5 on looks in real life. That might make using Tinder debatable, but not only to you have to be tops in looks, you either need a high paying job (if you have a clean cut look) or be a criminal-esque tattooed dirtbag (if broke). Guys in the middle tend to be ignored, both on looks and money.

Based on how competitive Tinder is, I would recommend skipping it. I'd also recommend skipping Bumble, Hinge, and every other swipe app out there and focus on real life approaching endeavors.
That’s a fair point, I did not realize how bad the numbers were stacked against me on that one! I got a pretty good job for my age but I do tend to go for the biker/punk look just to throw people off
 

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The women in person are the same ones on the apps lol
This is going to partly depend on where you do approaching. If you are doing day game in more random spots (non-traditional, i.e. not a bar), these women are not going to be dating app women -- at least not generally speaking. Not to mention the really hot women are almost never on dating apps. They never need to be.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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