Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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“Attractive guy” not getting desired results on tinder

fakefonzie

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!


The 80/20 rule seems to be on steroids on online dating. You might be in the 90th percentile with looks, but it still may only lead to a few likes. If you see the chart below, women swipe right only 5% according to that data. These apps are also majority men.

Bottom line is, it's not that you're unattractive, it's that you need to be "extremely attractive" to get a real lot of matches on Tinder.

Your pics should show a high value lifestyle and no weird pics you think are cute/funny. Show yourself on a foreign trip, partying with friends (displays social value), wearing a suit, at the gym or playing sports.
No shirtless mirror pics. No pics holding a fish you caught. No pics with your mom and dad.

Your profile should be direct and point out your value. Are you over 6'? Do you have a high value job? Do you have an attractive lifestyle? Do you work out at the gym? Stay positive and don't mention things like you got dumped or broke up with someone.

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More data on Tinder likes.
 

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Get a pic with a big dog as your main (preferably q husky)
A pic showing off your body at the beach
A pic showing you doing something fun
A pic of you thats well dressed

This is basically all you need to succeed on Tinder, don't even need to worry about the Bio at all since most girls don't read it. For text game I can't really help out there since i suck at it but at least i get a lot of matches
 

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!
Get off the dating/hook up apps and start approaching women IN PERSON.
 

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Get a pic with a big dog as your main (preferably q husky)
A pic showing off your body at the beach
A pic showing you doing something fun
A pic of you thats well dressed

This is basically all you need to succeed on Tinder, don't even need to worry about the Bio at all since most girls don't read it. For text game I can't really help out there since i suck at it but at least i get a lot of matches
If all else fails, just follow what Simon Leviev did. He's not the most handsome guy, but he was able to bag a ton of chicks on Tinder. Just ghost before the shiet hits the fan. I'm sure there's a ton of guys who are doing the same thing but on a smaller scale.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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AureliusMaximus

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g time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually,
That's fine and dandy; but are you a high value guy that plays in the big league of the 20-10%?

Women these days are so delusional in their hyped hybergamy that if you are not high value then you have no value!

Dumb your smart phone in the bin and approach chicks IRL instead. 90% of all guys doesn't do this because they are too intimidated to do it, so they hide behind these shiete dating apps when gives you no leverage.

See for example these two.. (First video starts at the point he talks about high value guys why chicks chase them):

I haven't seen video two, I just stumbled over it and thought it was appropriate for the subject/post.
 
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Tinder is 76% male. Imagine going to a bar that was 76% male. You'd leave quickly.

The competition is fierce on Tinder, as well as Bumble and Hinge. It's not worth playing on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge unless you are a top guy. It's difficult to say what overall percentile guy that you need to be. @fakefonzie -- It's good that you are called an 8-8.5 on looks in real life. That might make using Tinder debatable, but not only to you have to be tops in looks, you either need a high paying job (if you have a clean cut look) or be a criminal-esque tattooed dirtbag (if broke). Guys in the middle tend to be ignored, both on looks and money.

Based on how competitive Tinder is, I would recommend skipping it. I'd also recommend skipping Bumble, Hinge, and every other swipe app out there and focus on real life approaching endeavors.
 

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Hey, been a long time since I posted on here, but just got out of a LTR and wanted to try out the waters again. Not trying to brag but I have always been told that I am an attractive guy, 8-8.5 usually, I made a tinder profile and posted what I thought were a few good pics. Although I am getting a few likes here and there they are not what I know they could be, and from those likes wayyy fewer responses. What can I do to improve these numbers and turn them into dates? And is there a place here where I can get my profile critiqued so that im not just shooting in the dark? Thank you guys any advice is much appreciated!
Try other dating apps. From what I hear Tinder blows. Have always had success on Bumble and Hinge.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Get a pic with a big dog as your main (preferably q husky)
A pic showing off your body at the beach
A pic showing you doing something fun
A pic of you thats well dressed

This is basically all you need to succeed on Tinder, don't even need to worry about the Bio at all since most girls don't read it. For text game I can't really help out there since i suck at it but at least i get a lot of matches
No, you also have to be really good looking in addition to that.

You think an ugly 5'7" guy can do the aforementioned things and be successful?

Furthermore, my suspicion is this guy overestimate his attractiveness
 

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But my mom says I’m a very handsome boy

Jk, I mean my evidence is just from asking a few girls that I know, they might be overestimating just to be nice, however I am 6’2” 177lbs lean muscle have a decent jawline and fair skin.
 

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Get off the dating/hook up apps and start approaching women IN PERSON.
Definitely that is more preferable, unfortunately I work a lot of hours for my job, between that and the gym it’s difficult to carve out time to go out and game. I figured OLD would probably work for me bc I can swipe while on breaks or in between sets
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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fakefonzie

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Tinder is 76% male. Imagine going to a bar that was 76% male. You'd leave quickly.

The competition is fierce on Tinder, as well as Bumble and Hinge. It's not worth playing on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge unless you are a top guy. It's difficult to say what overall percentile guy that you need to be. @fakefonzie -- It's good that you are called an 8-8.5 on looks in real life. That might make using Tinder debatable, but not only to you have to be tops in looks, you either need a high paying job (if you have a clean cut look) or be a criminal-esque tattooed dirtbag (if broke). Guys in the middle tend to be ignored, both on looks and money.

Based on how competitive Tinder is, I would recommend skipping it. I'd also recommend skipping Bumble, Hinge, and every other swipe app out there and focus on real life approaching endeavors.
That’s a fair point, I did not realize how bad the numbers were stacked against me on that one! I got a pretty good job for my age but I do tend to go for the biker/punk look just to throw people off
 

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The women in person are the same ones on the apps lol
This is going to partly depend on where you do approaching. If you are doing day game in more random spots (non-traditional, i.e. not a bar), these women are not going to be dating app women -- at least not generally speaking. Not to mention the really hot women are almost never on dating apps. They never need to be.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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