Rate this guys face plz

[Cheeky_James]

For example, as a straight guy, I don’t personally give a shyte about hunter eyes on a dude. Not sure why it makes much difference. But having seeing enough photos or real life examples of guys with hunter eyes (for example) that women rate as attractive, well that’s a pattern.

well bro. I can only tell you go out and roll with a guy who looks like that. Has great eyes.
And watch at all the iois he gets walking down a busy shopping street in the day time, or in a bar or club. And watch the eye contact chicks will give him, and the heads turning as he walks past.

My old best friend looked similar to Richard Gere.
a Natural. He was the biggest pvssy magnetI’ve ever met in my life. And picked up hot sexy women easy as piss, almost every night I went out with him.

@characternote will testify to same as he has 2 Chad tier buddies.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Still LMFAO here BE.
Like I said already - it does not matter what one persons opinion or preference or particular taste is ,
You or your partner. Or a small groups.

It’s what is the consensus opinion of the masses my dear. The consensus reality.
So in that context , your argument falls apart.

Cindy Crawford is a fvcking SuperModel ffs.
OF COURSE she is a 10/10 by default.
As a SUPER model is the top tier of the Modelling world and have been chosen and elevated as such.
It does not matter what your hubbys personal opinion is at all. That he prefers blondes.
he could rate her a 1/10 if he likes
Because no one cares. (!!)
delusional stuff here.
My favourite was Linda Evangelista. Cos she looks like a total B1tch.

Yknow both you and SG say this over and over.
“ but I am just one woman , it’s just my personal opinion and preferences rah rah”

and I am like… yes, EXACTLY.

Who is Cindy Crawford?

Because that sure as hell isn't the same neck...

 

[Cheeky_James]

Who is Cindy Crawford?

Because that sure as hell isn't the same neck...

huh? I don’t get it.
Her head is tipped back up in the air.
And she looks older in pic 2 obvs.

forum guys be like- “neck wrinkle! , 2/10 would not bang.”

 

[Cheeky_James]

I married for actual attraction, desire & love. And both husbands made/make six figures, but I never needed a man for resources along the way. Still don't in fact.

And yes, beautiful women are selecting from top tier men. Shocker, I know, and I got to pick from amongst very elite level handsome men and desirable men, no doubt. But did I pick the richest, most famous? Nope.

y'all treat me like I'm full or crap or act jealous/envious that someone like me is very real, as advertised, and some feel the need to insult/attack.

For the guys with that attitude? No wonder you stink with women! Men like that are invisible to beautiful sought after women. Don't be bitter. Be better. That is the only way to create the reality you say you want.

I offer a POV from that "priviledged" world. Pay attention because I tell it like it is.

BE you are hilarious.
Stop bragging and hanging yourself .
And gaslighting dudes that it is their ‘attitudes’ that are making them invisible to beautiful sought after women. And tell them to improve their ‘attitudes’ as if that would make any difference (LOL)

you’ve basically stated above it’s ALL looks.
As you’ve even dumped Money& Status in the bin re your partners. They are so good looking , you would support them for years in end when they are UNEMPLOYED.
I bet you would dish out advice to guys to improve in their careers also.

the subtext of all of this is
‘if you improve XYZ you will get beautiful desirable women’ - Which is a big fat lie. Obvs.

Wether a low level looking guy has a good attitude or a bad one - he is still invisible

like attracts like basically.
If a guy is a 6 he may get with a 6 female sure..
or more likely a 5.

And he may get her just based on his Looks mainly also!
Without improooooving.

Classic example.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

huh? I don’t get it.
Her head is tipped back up in the air.
And she looks older in pic 2 obvs.

forum guys be like- “neck wrinkle! , 2/10 would not bang.”

Easy, compare the neck length to the distance between the chin and the nose tip. First pic it's the same, 2nd pic it's twice as long. Necks don't grow 4-5 inches over adulthood, so different people in the two pics.

The stuff you guys argue about is laughable considering how phony our world is. CC is just one of many small but glaring examples. Lolz we just had a US president who was an imposter.

Edit - laugh all you want, but how can you rate faces if you can't tell people apart? LMAO

 

[Cheeky_James]

Easy, compare the neck length to the distance between the chin and the nose tip. First pic it's the same, 2nd pic it's twice as long. Necks don't grow 4-5 inches over adulthood, so different people in the two pics.

The stuff you guys argue about is laughable considering how phony our world is. CC is just one of many small but glaring examples

Ok Billy it’s time for you to take your medication and go to bed.
CC has a body double , and is part of a CIA psyOp also I’m betting is coming next.

or else she is possibly just tilting her head back mate

Re Trump do u also think Body Double orrrr

(do I wanna know the answer idk)

 

[Cheeky_James]

@BillyPilgrim

speaking of conspiracy theories.
My friend has one about this forum.
HE reckons that this forum is basically One guy, a ahizophrenic PUA dude who manages multiple fake accounts under different user handles.
And switches between them to debate a few real people who are unawares. to keep his dying forum going round and round.
He probably sits in a mental institution. On a laptop posting crap around the clock.

This is my FRIENDS theory rho ok.
Not mine. So don’t ban me for saying that. ;P

 

[BeExcellent]

Post filled with assumptions, strawmanning, and goal post moving.

I don't have much energy for a long post right now, but I will say for now, I never poked holes in your life, nor have I said you are full of crap.

Not at all. Simply pointing out that you have labeled me "intensely hypergamous" in error. A rather egregious error in fact. Quite the opposite frankly.

And I find that odd from a poster who should recognize the consistency of my content around here. The only way content can be as consistent as mine has been for 10+ years and thousands of posts is that its true.

If you think I'm arrogant? Fine. But I do not need to exaggerate, and lots of guys really do not grasp the landscape a beautiful woman navigates in real life.

And that landscape also includes risks that average Joes also don't have to worry about. So it is not just unicorns and rainbows.

Does your wife make sure doors are always locked at night at your house? Think about why that might be.

 

[BeExcellent]

BE you are hilarious.
Stop bragging and hanging yourself .
And gaslighting dudes that it is their ‘attitudes’ that are making them invisible to beautiful sought after women. And tell them to improve their ‘attitudes’ as if that would make any difference (LOL)

you’ve basically stated above it’s ALL looks.
As you’ve even dumped Money& Status in the bin re your partners. They are so good looking , you would support them for years in end when they are UNEMPLOYED.
I bet you would dish out advice to guys to improve in their careers also.

the subtext of all of this is
‘if you improve XYZ you will get beautiful desirable women’ - Which is a big fat lie. Obvs.

Wether a low level looking guy has a good attitude or a bad one - he is still invisible

like attracts like basically.
If a guy is a 6 he may get with a 6 female sure..
or more likely a 5.

And he may get her just based on his Looks mainly also!
Without improooooving.

Classic example.

Nah. I don't deal with unsuccessful men. I dated very successful men, and I married men who made and still make in the case of the second one, six figure incomes. The first one got screwed over in business by his best friend since age 10, and became depressed etc. after we were already married. Sometimes life hits you in ways you don't anticipate. We wanted parents raising our kids, not daycares. So the obvious choice was for him to be the house spouse. None of that was foreseeable.

What I and others in this thread are telling you is that looks are only part of the deal. That means a couple of things. One, it means looks, no matter how great, only get you in the door. Your personality, ambition, character, and other non appearance based attributes take the rest. The Duke explained it very well. Atom Smasher has explained it in one of your recent threads as well. You can be incredibly handsome & still blow it with ugly or inappropriate behavior, for example.

Secongly you can also increase your success rate by improving non appearance attributes.

You are overly fixated on looks. Height is a similar thing. So is hair loss. That's genetics and it is what it is. And yet there are plenty of attractive women with men under 6' tall, and plenty of attractive women with bald or "hair impaired" men.

My son is only 5'8". He's handsome, fit, but not tall. His wife is very pretty and absolutely adores him. I know other men who are not the Chad stereo type who have found women to date/marry etc with.

Maximize what you are working with across the board friend. That includes, but is not limited to looks.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@BeExcellent
What about gorgeous George
Is he your cup of tea

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[characternote]

Who is Cindy Crawford?

Because that sure as hell isn't the same neck...

they're both CC dude lol. An old pic, vs when she was recreating a pose for a pepsi advert a few years ago

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

of course there is.
Wtf are you talking about,
dreaming mate. Wake up.
You are talking about ‘taste’ only. Women’s particular taste within the Top Tier.
More cope.

Callum Turner is fvcking DUA LIPA atm bro.
Wtf are you on about..the evidence is right there in front of your face.

My point seems to be lost on you. All i'm saying is that the objective and subjective are both factors. It seems to people want to insist it's one or the other, which is a recurring problem in this board - a total lack of nuance.

It's pretty simple really. There are universal signals of beauty/attraction, but on an individual level, this preferences can vary dramatically.

I've experienced this with my friends a lot They show me a girl they say is a 10/10 and I consider her a 7. Or vice versa. It's happened over and ove ragain. We could start posting pics of 10s right now and there would not be much agreement. It's the exact same for women. It's the exact same for women, some women like roided bodybuilders, some women like skinny k-pop twinks. How is this hard to grasp? How can you possibly claim otherwise? How is this hard to grasp?

 

[Jor-El]

Just look at all the obese people walking around who could be attractive if they controlled their weight. As you get older lifestyle choices like eating properly and exercising outweigh genetics. It becomes obvious who looks after themselves and who doesn't.

Very true this. A decent body after 40 is better status then money house or car IMO

 

[characternote]

I've experienced this with my friends a lot. They show me a girl they say is a 10/10 and I consider her a 7. Or vice versa. We could start posting pics of 10s right now and there would not be much agreement. It's the exact same for women. How is this hard to grasp?

Even though I deffo lean way toward CJ with this debate and the very real limitations of 'game', I do agree with you on this point, and it's something I talk about myself quite a lot.

I also think it does a better job of explaining some 'miss-matches' than other theories i've read about.

The 'post your 10' thread is quite a clear example. Some guys were posting '10's' who I HONESTLY wouldn't bang if they made it easy for me!

I also always think about when I used to work in an office with basically all girls, and the lazy cows would spend all day flirting with random men on insta whilst I worked! They DM guys and talk about who was hot etc, and I always remember that the hottest of them seemed to have unusual taste in men and the guys that she thought were super handsome were the guys who her friends teased her about "HIM?!! He's so skinny. Look at his weird nose!" etc

I don't rate myself much in the looks department but I have banged some girls who are very pretty (and way younger than me too). To the point my friends would say 'How did you do that?!!!'. I'd LOVE to tell you (and them) that i have some amazing super attraction building lines and secret techniques, but in reality, I think about it more like I approached enough hot girls to stumble across the ones who had 'weird taste', like the aforementioned hot girl in the office job! But of course if I looked like my ex wingman and was 'conventionally' very handsome, i'd for certain get laid every time I went out for a night. Using the same 'game'

So my advice has always generally been to get as good looking as possible, then hit on lots of girls! The 'game' part is really about not having so much 'anti game' that you manage to screw it up with girls who want you

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

So my advice has always generally been to get as good looking as possible, then hit on lots of girls! The 'game' part is really about not having so much 'anti game' that you manage to screw it up with girls who want you

Better way to think of is is play to your strengths and maximize your unique traits to have a niche. It's better to be polarizing where you're hyper-attractive to some woman and repulsive to others than it is to be "okay" for all women. Example: sporting a mustache

 

[Cheeky_James]

My point seems to be lost on you. All i'm saying is that the objective and subjective are both factors. It seems to people want to insist it's one or the other, which is a recurring problem in this board - a total lack of nuance.

It's pretty simple really. There are universal signals of beauty/attraction, but on an individual level, this preferences can vary dramatically.

I've experienced this with my friends a lot They show me a girl they say is a 10/10 and I consider her a 7. Or vice versa. It's happened over and ove ragain. We could start posting pics of 10s right now and there would not be much agreement. It's the exact same for women. It's the exact same for women, some women like roided bodybuilders, some women like skinny k-pop twinks. How is this hard to grasp? How can you possibly claim otherwise? How is this hard to grasp?

Dude.
You’re talking about small sample sizes of opinions. And tastes varying within those
I’m talking about the consensus opinion of the masses - yknow the opinion of the globe , of science,

And that there is leagues and tiers to beauty.
Very good looking people have an accepted and acknowledged ‘beautiful ratios’ to their face.
I’m talking especially Face.

everyone in the ‘west ‘ would agree these 3 guys I posted are classically very Handsome . Tall Dark & Handsome is the #1 female preference archetype.

the 3 are inarguably Top Tier Guys. And such guys will always get access to top tier looking women.

beauty is subjective in taste.
A woman may like blonde blue eyed men.
Her top choice will be Tall Blonde & Hansome.
Another may choose Jason Mamoa. Tall well built Dark & Handsome .

most women’s Top 5s are all the same league of guys mate, unfortunately sorry.

they may have other unusual choices that turn them on for some reason. Then it’s a character for a movie or series or whatever. Some famous guy that they have been exposed to via an ongoing Plotline.

but in real life there is no such plotline or background attached to a similar looking guy IRL and he does not get chosen. That’s just a fantasy /romance fantasy type from a show in her mind.

 

[Cheeky_James]

the issue is not that looks is big percentage of the equation, especially when it comes to the ceiling in quality you can get

the issue is that this guy is neurotic and super extreme in what he is saying, basically saying that you are either elite levels in looks and get laid either not and you do not get laid at all. Which is BS!

only the idea that you need to be a 10/10 guy to have a chance with a 5/10 is extreme, just as the pua guys parroting that looks does not matter at all and you can be a 5/10 yourself and bang 10/10 left and right

no dude.
That wasn’t my intention.
My OP stated these guys are TOP TIER (9, 10) dudes.
As I saw someone rate Turner as a 7 (!) lol. Absolutely laughable that rating.
That was you actually if I recall.

It was just a reality check as it seems up guys don’t understand the gap between your own personal SMV and a guy like these 3.

this is what guys seem to do
Overrate themselves
Underrate other guys

to try close the gap in their mind and cope.

I never said guys going down the scale of smv from 8,7,6,5,4 etc guys CANT get women. I never said that. Or only 10 guys can get 5 women (you made that jump)

What I at am saying is that a guys Looks /Face is the Paramount, Primary factor in why a woman picks a man.
It’s 90% of how any man gets any woman . All the way down the scale probably down to the midrange idk , where personality is possibly a ‘swing factor’. Possibly. The ‘just be first’ theory in there also. Meeting as teenagers and LTR forever etc.

Leaving aside Money and Status out of the above.

I’m saying that Callum Turner is Top Tier
And even stripping away his money and status
He would still looks match with a woman that looks similar to Dua Lipa. Get that?

also importantly as this is a forum where ‘Don Juan’is a label (and a big part of the discussion, or so I thought coming here)
I thought I’d point out the very big correlation between any dude who is an acfual Don Juan as having great Looks. Handsome- to-very Hansome Face.

and that his “skill” at pickup = mainly, his FACE like it’s pretty much (rounded up ) 100% his Looks.

so that means the “skill” of the Don Juan is not actually ‘learnable ‘ for guys with less face , average face or ugly faces

does that compute?

 

[BeExcellent]

@BeExcellent
What about gorgeous George
Is he your cup of tea

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I do find George Clooney handsome/sexy. He also is known to be quite charming & intelligent and is a well known prankster (sense of humor & fun). His looks are fading now but his other attributes make him quite attractive. I greatly dislike his politics, but that is another matter.

I find Craig Ferguson attractive. I also think he is quirky and funny.

Again. More than just looks factor in.

Interestingly I never found Leo DiCaprio particularly attractive, ditto Brad Pitt, they always looked like baby faced boys to me BUT Brad Pitt is much more handsome now as an older man than he ever was as a younger guy.

People can have similar features but look very different.

Attraction happens at an individual level. So generalizations don't capture the nuances.

Its like art. Some people go wild for Picasso. Some people go wild for Joan Miro or Salvador Dali or Van Gogh or Renoir or Charles Russell or Rembradt. But people have differing taste in all things that involve subjective preferences. Art, fashion, music, human appearance.

You continue to take a very absolutist view. You are not the arbiter of what appeals to me (or anyone else) as an individual. Each individual gets to decide that for him or herself.

Are there general trends? Sure. But those general trends do not capture nuance. They cannot.

Looks are NOT 90% of how a sensible sought after woman chooses. Not at all. In fact, for a woman who lots of handsome guys want? Well 100% of her choices are very good looking. It is a given. She chooses based on other things aside from looks.

Looks only get you access. Who you are beyond looks is what makes you stand out.

Now. If a girl isn't hot enough that all her choices are good looking? Then perhaps appearance is more a factor. But for beautiful women who have tons of handsome men to choose from? Looks are a requirement to get an opportunity, but not why she chooses a particular man.

Dadynamically used to talk about that constantly around here. He understood that very well.

 

[sevbucmash]

I see plastic surgery all over that face. Ear lobes and ear to eye line tells the tale, though. He did a nose job to remove the hump. The guy did other plastic surgery on his face. Face is made to look good. I think it's a solid 7, not 8, not 7 and then some, and not 6 or less. 7.

The guy is tiny hat thought, imagine him with nose and without other facial plastic surgery.

 

[sevbucmash]

In terms of crowd, I'd say this guy is Fontainebleau material, not quite Faena or Setai or Baca Raton Resort. Someone who'd show off, rent, and ****, instead of someone who moves and carries power.