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Master Don Juan
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Still talkin bout money, huh?Hence why money and status will be a more solid foundation than learning some quick tricks...
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Still talkin bout money, huh?Hence why money and status will be a more solid foundation than learning some quick tricks...
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
The bombs could be flying like it's 1999 and everyone be out trying to get laid, and peeps in here still be talking the long con. Lmao.Still talkin bout money, huh?
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In theory agree, but the issue with new age advice is, by the time the man becomes desirable, the woman has already slept with 10 guys.Like Clockwerk50 said... old age advice is all about negotiating desire and talking women into sleeping with you.
New age advice is to become the better man and become desirable instead of having to convince someone to fvck you.
Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.In theory agree, but the issue with new age advice is, by the time the man becomes desirable, the woman has already slept with 10 guys.
There are 2 different wavelengths here:
Old age advice: Negotiate desire and convince her to sleep with you. The woman is a virgin
New age advice. Become more desirable and increase SMV (saving height and hair). The woman is not a virgin 10x over.
I would say if the man wants baby and family, old age advice better. If the man wants to sleep around with hot girls, new age advice is better.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
The point wasn't to find a virgin.Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.
Don’t fully agree with this one.2. Sneaky Link for Chads- you've got women now who have access to attractive men far more than ever before, largely due to dating apps. Sure, it may be short-term or ONS but it's a real thing. I remember years ago an ugly Latina or asian girl's picture was going viral on Reddit that showed her with 20 (decent to highly attractive)men banged in a month, in a month!!! We all know how OLD is tough for average men but even the ugliest woman can bang a hot guy whenever she chooses to, which does confirm your SMV point.
don’t agree w this.Old age advice was essentially selling the idea that her attraction is entirely in your control. If one is ever rejected by a girl it just means (and only means) your 'game' wasn't good enough. If you are 75 and obese and the stunning little 19 year old girl rejects you, it's a 'game' issue. Not a looks or age issue or whatever. That would be called a 'limiting belief'. You simply need to 'create attraction' (buy my course on how to do this). Depending on whose old school model you used, that could mean negging her. Or telling DHV stories. Or using canned NLP seduction patterns. For Slightly more modern PUA's it would be 'teasing' her, maybe cold reads and just being 'free from outcome' in general etc
It was always a load of nonsense tbh, but it wasn't until youtube came along, amongst other things, where sharp eyes were slowly able to see that the coaches themselves couldn't achieve this miracle. And people were slowly able to spot patterns over thousands of infields. Namely that pulls were always on the 'yes girls'. Girls who were basically into it at 'hi', and the success was in spite of their routines of whatever. Not because of it. Out of maybe 10,000 infields that have been released, we've basically never seen a pull on a hard 'no girl', despite the fact that for the original PUA model to be true, we should have thousands of them! We should have endless infields...thousands(!) where some very ugly, old guy approaches a 10/10 stunner who ignores him and tells her she has a BF. He says 'how long have you had that problem?!' or 'I've got a gold fish....sorry, I thought we were talking about things that didn't matter' or one of many cheesy PUA lines, then negged her etc etc, and then she starts trying to seduce HIM due to her insane attraction levels lol.
I remember Julien joyfully sharing an infield where he was able to make a clear 'no girl' who was basically ignoring him, say a few words back too him. That was all he got out of her. No lay. No kiss. Nothing. And he clearly thought that was a big acchievment which kind of underline how likely it is that one is actually going to BANG a 'no girl' lol. If we are celebrating getting her to say a few polite words!
Luckily the community has MOSTLY gotten away from that disney thinking, although there are actually still some forums and sub reddits where some unfortunate saps are still hanging onto that idea (Mostly people who are selling coaching of course. So they don't actually believe what they are even saying! There's no integrity when it comes to making lots of money lol)
Nowadays though, most people know that her telling you she has a BF means either 1/ she does have a boyfriend, or 2/She is lying about having one so that you go away since she's not attracted to you, and nothing you can say will change that lol
The general 'model' of PUA nowadays is much more concentrated on being your best self (getting lean is the most popular one. Also dressing better, getting your money up etc) and then essentially playing the numbers game. No real 'rules' as such in terms of what to say etc.
You didn't responded previously, and that was a wise decision. And now you cowardly qoute a small part of my post ,taking the message out of context.Still talkin bout money, huh?
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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
Hence why it pivoted to the red & black pill lol because doom and gloom sells and it's easy to tell a guy to lookmax vs get game.It's true: once you've mastered inner game, it's just about small tweeks in technique. This is bad for dating and PUA coaches and explains why the PUA industry is dead (as it should be).
To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.Hence why it pivoted to the red & black pill lol because doom and gloom sells and it's easy to tell a guy to lookmax vs get game.
Gymmaxxing is looksmaxxing. They aren't as extreme as going to get surgery, but it does promote looksmaxxing to a degree.To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.
As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Bit of an extreme there. Saying that this has been your experience, or even the experience of most posters here, would be more accurate. But I get what you're saying.Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.
If it's coming from men who aren't successful with women, then yes, I can see how it could be a form of cope. But that argument can work both ways. A similar argument could be made about men who have never pulled a virgin, or who did so when they were younger but weren't able to maintain the relationship.this virginity obsession , especially in this global culture, is a cope to blame the exterior rather than for guys to look within and be accountable that whatever their circumstances is mainly about them and not the world
In all fairness, the neurodivergent guys have no way of knowing if their problem is caused by their neurodivergence or lack of looks. So many will default to looks and looksmaxxing because it is at least observable in the mirror. Also, no chick is going to tell them “You look fine; you’re just a little ‘off’”To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.
As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.
Gymmaxxing is looksmaxxing. They aren't as extreme as going to get surgery, but it does promote looksmaxxing to a degree.
I politely disagree with the idea that having a strong preference for a virgin automatically means you're coping or have mental issues, but It can certainly be the case with many men (Heck, a lot of members here clearly have mental issues regardless of their preferences). A man can be successful with women and still have preferences regarding a woman's sexual history. Whether that preference is important (and how important it Is) to him is ultimately a personal matter.I never encountered a guy whom was obsessed with virgins and was successful with women. Or at least decentish with women
because if you are at least decentish with women you realize that it is not about it the woman is a virgin or not , but more about other aspects
being obsessed with virginity is more about coping / having mental issues rather than anything else, because virginity is not an important thing in the grand scheme of things
My lack of response was in your best interest.You didn't responded previously, and that was a wise decision.
Your message continues to be; use money as leverage (whether for self-confidence, or chick-magnetism) to get women.And now you cowardly qoute a small part of my post ,taking the message out of context.
This guy^.I understand that when you go through life like a low value boy/ man-child that you get triggered when real men thalk about grown man shyte.
I know, you rather have men roaming the streets like a jester, begging women for p00sy. Because thats literally your life and all you know!
Party like its 1999!!!
Yeah, and I also deal with slim women who are younger than 50, sometimes 30.And on top of that also overweight women who are older than 50 sometimes 60 ( facts!!!!!).
Please, oh wise one, share with us a breakdown of how we should spend every hour of our 24-hour day.Im trying to teach men that they only have 24 hours per day and that every hour needs to be spent wisely.
Yeah, but the problem with that dumbass logic is; those two things (money/puzzy) aren't mutually exclusive.The more I understand women, life and money the more I'll advocate for money over p00sy.
And Mike Jones told you back in 2005..Even Biggi told you so back in 1995( feck b1tches ,get money).
Let me repeat what I responded to because you're a slow learner: ( orginal qoute)The big difference is the time required. You can learn “game” in a few months. Improving money/status can take years. The modern gurus need to be honest about how long it actually takes
I'll definitely stay in my lane..but whenever I catch you on here saying dumb shiit that is counterproductive to men's growth, I'll get my red ink pen out and make the proper correction(s).So let's both stay in our lane; you stay in your lane where you spam approach (old) women all day every day, I stay in my lane where I grind 14 hours per day while building a solid bizz while sleeping with women whenever I feel like its convenient.
Sayonara
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.