Old Age advice vs New Age advice

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Hence why money and status will be a more solid foundation than learning some quick tricks...

Still talkin bout money, huh?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Still talkin bout money, huh?

The bombs could be flying like it's 1999 and everyone be out trying to get laid, and peeps in here still be talking the long con. Lmao.

 

[BadBoy89]

Like Clockwerk50 said... old age advice is all about negotiating desire and talking women into sleeping with you.

New age advice is to become the better man and become desirable instead of having to convince someone to fvck you.

In theory agree, but the issue with new age advice is, by the time the man becomes desirable, the woman has already slept with 10 guys.

There are 2 different wavelengths here:

Old age advice: Negotiate desire and convince her to sleep with you. The woman is a virgin
New age advice. Become more desirable and increase SMV (saving height and hair). The woman is not a virgin 10x over.

I would say if the man wants baby and family, old age advice better. If the man wants to sleep around with hot girls, new age advice is better.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@BadBoy89 "The woman is a virgin"

For the most part, those occur in two scenarios, hoss:

-Paperback Harlequin novels, written by bored, undersexed housewives, and read by the sort of airheads who compromise Delilah's

fanbase The untouched heroine is generally an au pair in some fictional Near Eastern nation, and the hero a sheikh who's tired of boning supermodels

-Towns with populations of 200 and dwindling, filled with yokels who mistake re-runs of Blue Bloods and Chicago Fire/it's millions of spin-offs for high culture

Goes without saying, the former is even more fictious than a White House that takes The Constitution seriously, and the cost of leaving metropolitan life for the latter is exceptionally steep

-

 

[ThisIsSparta]

In theory agree, but the issue with new age advice is, by the time the man becomes desirable, the woman has already slept with 10 guys.

There are 2 different wavelengths here:

Old age advice: Negotiate desire and convince her to sleep with you. The woman is a virgin
New age advice. Become more desirable and increase SMV (saving height and hair). The woman is not a virgin 10x over.

I would say if the man wants baby and family, old age advice better. If the man wants to sleep around with hot girls, new age advice is better.

Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.

 

[BadBoy89]

Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.

The point wasn't to find a virgin.

The point was new age advice for men to be more desirable and increase SMV is sometimes hard for men to digest, because they are doing all of it for a woman who has slept with the football team before meeting them.

Not that they shouldn't do it, but sometimes alot of men say the trade off is not worth it.

 

[Cheeky_James]

2. Sneaky Link for Chads- you've got women now who have access to attractive men far more than ever before, largely due to dating apps. Sure, it may be short-term or ONS but it's a real thing. I remember years ago an ugly Latina or asian girl's picture was going viral on Reddit that showed her with 20 (decent to highly attractive)men banged in a month, in a month!!! We all know how OLD is tough for average men but even the ugliest woman can bang a hot guy whenever she chooses to, which does confirm your SMV point.

Don’t fully agree with this one.
Ugly easy chicks have always had access to various levels of attractive men. Because they are easy and slutty. And men get drunk and horny.
Or just horny, and no one’s watching.

I don’t see why a Chad would bother with an ugly chick just since Online dating/socials . They have plenty of interest from decent looking chicks IRL on the same platforms. why would they drop standards..?
That doesn’t add up.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Old age advice was essentially selling the idea that her attraction is entirely in your control. If one is ever rejected by a girl it just means (and only means) your 'game' wasn't good enough. If you are 75 and obese and the stunning little 19 year old girl rejects you, it's a 'game' issue. Not a looks or age issue or whatever. That would be called a 'limiting belief'. You simply need to 'create attraction' (buy my course on how to do this). Depending on whose old school model you used, that could mean negging her. Or telling DHV stories. Or using canned NLP seduction patterns. For Slightly more modern PUA's it would be 'teasing' her, maybe cold reads and just being 'free from outcome' in general etc

It was always a load of nonsense tbh, but it wasn't until youtube came along, amongst other things, where sharp eyes were slowly able to see that the coaches themselves couldn't achieve this miracle. And people were slowly able to spot patterns over thousands of infields. Namely that pulls were always on the 'yes girls'. Girls who were basically into it at 'hi', and the success was in spite of their routines of whatever. Not because of it. Out of maybe 10,000 infields that have been released, we've basically never seen a pull on a hard 'no girl', despite the fact that for the original PUA model to be true, we should have thousands of them! We should have endless infields...thousands(!) where some very ugly, old guy approaches a 10/10 stunner who ignores him and tells her she has a BF. He says 'how long have you had that problem?!' or 'I've got a gold fish....sorry, I thought we were talking about things that didn't matter' or one of many cheesy PUA lines, then negged her etc etc, and then she starts trying to seduce HIM due to her insane attraction levels lol.

I remember Julien joyfully sharing an infield where he was able to make a clear 'no girl' who was basically ignoring him, say a few words back too him. That was all he got out of her. No lay. No kiss. Nothing. And he clearly thought that was a big acchievment which kind of underline how likely it is that one is actually going to BANG a 'no girl' lol. If we are celebrating getting her to say a few polite words!

Luckily the community has MOSTLY gotten away from that disney thinking, although there are actually still some forums and sub reddits where some unfortunate saps are still hanging onto that idea (Mostly people who are selling coaching of course. So they don't actually believe what they are even saying! There's no integrity when it comes to making lots of money lol)

Nowadays though, most people know that her telling you she has a BF means either 1/ she does have a boyfriend, or 2/She is lying about having one so that you go away since she's not attracted to you, and nothing you can say will change that lol

The general 'model' of PUA nowadays is much more concentrated on being your best self (getting lean is the most popular one. Also dressing better, getting your money up etc) and then essentially playing the numbers game. No real 'rules' as such in terms of what to say etc.

don’t agree w this.
What you said in your first sentence is true. But only from a certain point on , post The Game in 2005.. probably 2009 onward with the big nPUA business explosion.
And re RSD - Strauss already mentioned Tyler was a snake in his book. They became the biggest player in that market.

to me. reading The Game and Mystery Method originally, and some other stuff of that time, it was all tactics and techniques that bolted together to convey a certain personality, and importantly in that. some kind of *Status* , and high confidence.
Status being conveyed through attitudes, verbal stuff, body language and some psychological head games.

this was key stuff to me back then that I hadn’t figured out.
Chicks do read /feel out for status, especially in busy nightlife.

Chicks in bars and clubs can be b1tches and full of attitude , it was learning how to handle that and try turn it around basically to me.

sometimes getting ONS in bars and clubs is just hanging in there and maintaining that persona until the end of the night.

and for me , I definitely pulled chicks of a type I would not have, after absorbing those ideas and practicing them.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Virgins and feminine certainly women exist in the USA, but most single frustrated men won’t have a chance at going near them because those women never leave their religious social circles. Furthermore, frustrated men tend to only prospect women in places religious virgins won’t ever venture out to. Sorry, but your Christian or Muslim young woman ain’t going out to a fvcking club or trolling on hinge. I know you have your exceptional fake girl but she is an exception to the rule.

 

[Gamisch]

Still talkin bout money, huh?

You didn't responded previously, and that was a wise decision. And now you cowardly qoute a small part of my post ,taking the message out of context.

I understand that when you go through life like a low value boy/ man-child that you get triggered when real men thalk about grown man shyte.

I know, you rather have men roaming the streets like a jester, begging women for p00sy. Because thats literally your life and all you know!

Party like its 1999!!!

And on top of that also overweight women who are older than 50 sometimes 60 ( facts!!!!!).

Im trying to teach men that they only have 24 hours per day and that every hour needs to be spent wisely.

The more I understand women, life and money the more I'll advocate for money over p00sy. Even Biggi told you so back in 1995( feck b1tches ,get money).

Let me repeat what I responded to because you're a slow learner: ( orginal qoute)The big difference is the time required. You can learn “game” in a few months. Improving money/status can take years. The modern gurus need to be honest about how long it actually takes

So let's both stay in our lane; you stay in your lane where you spam approach (old) women all day every day, I stay in my lane where I grind 14 hours per day while building a solid bizz while sleeping with women whenever I feel like its convenient.

Sayonara

 

[quodlibet]

The old advice talks a lot about inner game and outer game.

The new advice is pretty much 100% inner game.

It's true: once you've mastered inner game, it's just about small tweeks in technique. This is bad for dating and PUA coaches and explains why the PUA industry is dead (as it should be).

 

[CornbreadFed]

It's true: once you've mastered inner game, it's just about small tweeks in technique. This is bad for dating and PUA coaches and explains why the PUA industry is dead (as it should be).

Hence why it pivoted to the red & black pill lol because doom and gloom sells and it's easy to tell a guy to lookmax vs get game.

 

[quodlibet]

Hence why it pivoted to the red & black pill lol because doom and gloom sells and it's easy to tell a guy to lookmax vs get game.

To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

 

[CornbreadFed]

To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

Gymmaxxing is looksmaxxing. They aren't as extreme as going to get surgery, but it does promote looksmaxxing to a degree.

 

[quodlibet]

^ Maybe there are different interpretations of looksmaxxing.

IMO, going to the gym and looking one's best is not looksmaxxing. That's just commonsense before the concept looksmaxxing was even invented by the black pill losers.

Looksmaxxing is going extreme like surgery, wearing make up, dressing up ridiculously and/or spending over 30 minutes per day on hair.

If I were back into my 20s, I'd go the gym so that I have some muscle tone (not interested in having a body building body). For hair, I'll cut it so all I'd need is 3 minutes to blow dry. Then wear a slightly-faded graphics t-shirt and jeans.

I don't think all this is "looksmaxxing".

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Come on man...... unless you are in an archaic culture like in the middle east or a high school kid, you are not going to sleep with a virgin, unless she is the literally below the bottom of the barrel. And IF you actually find a virgin above 20, there will be no fvcking before marriage.

Bit of an extreme there. Saying that this has been your experience, or even the experience of most posters here, would be more accurate. But I get what you're saying.
There are too many variables involved: age, location, socioeconomic circles, family circumstances, social circles, and plain dumb luck, among others. The probability for someone around BadBoy's age/location (or older) may be very low. He could do everything right and still have a very difficult time finding a virgin, let alone attracting one.
And that's not even taking into account that someone's sexual history isn't always something you can reliably determine from what they tell you, that's a whole other wrinkle.

this virginity obsession , especially in this global culture, is a cope to blame the exterior rather than for guys to look within and be accountable that whatever their circumstances is mainly about them and not the world

If it's coming from men who aren't successful with women, then yes, I can see how it could be a form of cope. But that argument can work both ways. A similar argument could be made about men who have never pulled a virgin, or who did so when they were younger but weren't able to maintain the relationship.
Ultimately, though, a lot of men simply don't want a virgin, and that's perfectly fine. Different men have different preferences and experiences.

 

[Mike32ct]

To be fair, I don't think mainstream mansosphere are emphasizing looksmaxxing. It's more about getting one's life in order, having a healthy lifestyle and developing proper social skills.

As for the black pill people, they're ****ed no matter what, whether old or new advice. Their problem goes way deeper, most of whom are neurodivergent and nothing will likely work for them.

In all fairness, the neurodivergent guys have no way of knowing if their problem is caused by their neurodivergence or lack of looks. So many will default to looks and looksmaxxing because it is at least observable in the mirror. Also, no chick is going to tell them “You look fine; you’re just a little ‘off’”

Manosphere / red pill recommends broad improvements over many areas of life, which is great. But it could also be seen as “I still don’t know why women don’t like me, so I’m going to throw everything against the wall (fitness, money, status, social skills) and hope something sticks.”

 

[Arete]

Gymmaxxing is looksmaxxing. They aren't as extreme as going to get surgery, but it does promote looksmaxxing to a degree.

I would argue that there are also people that go to the gym to get more speed/strength for their respective sports. Like a sprinter or people that play ball games more seriously.

The definition of looksmaxxing you sugest is too broad, one could argue anything that once used to be called "self improvement" is now "looksmaxxing". Leading an excellent lifestyle will show in your appearance one way or the other.

I don't see why anyone would associate looksmaxxing with physical training. Wasn't lookmaxxing about shortcuts like taking steroids? Or getting surgery done for a better jawline instead of first attempting an optimized diet?

I say training hard 3-6 times a week while working a job surely is not a shortcut in life.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

I never encountered a guy whom was obsessed with virgins and was successful with women. Or at least decentish with women

because if you are at least decentish with women you realize that it is not about it the woman is a virgin or not , but more about other aspects

being obsessed with virginity is more about coping / having mental issues rather than anything else, because virginity is not an important thing in the grand scheme of things

I politely disagree with the idea that having a strong preference for a virgin automatically means you're coping or have mental issues, but It can certainly be the case with many men (Heck, a lot of members here clearly have mental issues regardless of their preferences). A man can be successful with women and still have preferences regarding a woman's sexual history. Whether that preference is important (and how important it Is) to him is ultimately a personal matter.

I agree that virginity isn't the only factor when choosing a partner. Compatibility, personality, attraction, values, etc. obviously matter too. But that doesn't mean virginity has to be completely irrelevant to everyone in all circumstances

Thank you for your reply. I have said my piece and have nothing further to disscuss with you regarding this particular matter so I will stop replying to you before we start going in circles.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You didn't responded previously, and that was a wise decision.

My lack of response was in your best interest.

And now you cowardly qoute a small part of my post ,taking the message out of context.

Your message continues to be; use money as leverage (whether for self-confidence, or chick-magnetism) to get women.

That is the context.

Terrible context, and concept.

I understand that when you go through life like a low value boy/ man-child that you get triggered when real men thalk about grown man shyte.

This guy^.

.

I know, you rather have men roaming the streets like a jester, begging women for p00sy. Because thats literally your life and all you know!

Party like its 1999!!!

Nah, that doesn't sound like me, pimp.

And on top of that also overweight women who are older than 50 sometimes 60 ( facts!!!!!).

Yeah, and I also deal with slim women who are younger than 50, sometimes 30.

Next..

Im trying to teach men that they only have 24 hours per day and that every hour needs to be spent wisely.

Please, oh wise one, share with us a breakdown of how we should spend every hour of our 24-hour day.

We're so lost without your knowledge, wisdom, and insight.

Do share.

The more I understand women, life and money the more I'll advocate for money over p00sy.

Yeah, but the problem with that dumbass logic is; those two things (money/puzzy) aren't mutually exclusive.

Not to mention the fact that, again, money shouldn't be even be considered in one's quest to get women.

But it is for you apparently.

Mr. "I lead with my wallet".

Even Biggi told you so back in 1995( feck b1tches ,get money).

And Mike Jones told you back in 2005..

"Back then, they didn't want me. Now I'm hot, they all on me".

Gold diggers, and attention wh0res who don't give a fuk about you without your money or status.

Let me repeat what I responded to because you're a slow learner: ( orginal qoute)The big difference is the time required. You can learn “game” in a few months. Improving money/status can take years. The modern gurus need to be honest about how long it actually takes

Aww shiit, man. Thanks for schooling me.

Because at first, I thought that learning game takes years, and improving money/status takes months.

But after I learned from you, I found out that it's actually the opposite.

Thanks, bro.

Every time I read your posts, I learn something.

So let's both stay in our lane; you stay in your lane where you spam approach (old) women all day every day, I stay in my lane where I grind 14 hours per day while building a solid bizz while sleeping with women whenever I feel like its convenient.

Sayonara

I'll definitely stay in my lane..but whenever I catch you on here saying dumb shiit that is counterproductive to men's growth, I'll get my red ink pen out and make the proper correction(s).