The "Secret" to Seducing Lots of Women

[BPH]

I've been wanting to type this up for a while now, and I think I finally have enough time to go from start to finish.

Within the past year, I've been with 14 or 15 different women, 5 of whom came (pun intended) during this last month and a half. Having been with over 100 women in my lifetime, while making very little money, living with my parents, in the suburbs of the drive-thru state known as Delaware, I think I'm qualified to speak on what I believe is the "secret" to my success.

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If you want to seduce lots of women...you need to LOVE women.

That might sound obvious, right? You might be feeling scammed right now, as if you expected a better payoff than that. But let's dig a little deeper...why are you here, on this forum?

Some of you are here because a woman broke your heart, and you wanted to win her back.

Some of you have been hurt, and now you have a resentful chip on your shoulder.

Some of you want to be successful with women because you seek validation from your friends, family, us, and maybe even yourself.

Some of you think modern women and modern dating are the enemy, and want to justify that perspective.

Some of you are just lonely and feel that you need to attach yourself to a partner in this life.

Others, like me, do it for the love of the game. I've been asked before whether I do what I do to increase my notch count, or because I actually like these women - and truthfully, I like them all. I simply enjoy variety; each woman smells different, kisses different, sounds different, has different hair and different eyes, does different things in bed, likes different things in bed, shows affection in different ways, and so on. I love experiencing it all. And I've always been this way...

One of my closest friends, at an early age, was a girl I'd met in kindergarten named Melanie. In 1st grade, I wrote a love letter to another girl named Delia. I still remember them both very vividly. And even when I go out now, a major factor that decides where I go revolves around being around women - sometimes even to the disappointment of my friends.

Now, this doesn't mean I view women through rose-tinted lenses, though, either. Like most of you, I've experienced immense pain and heartbreak at the hands of a woman as well. My first serious girlfriend cheated on me, lied and told me she had been r**ed, then started a relationship with the same guy while I was left in the dark, feeling guilty as if I should've done more. I also had an ex who f***ed my then-best friend in a bed right next to me in a shared hotel room for a boys' trip, where I protested until I was threatened by the others in our group that I'd be kicked out and not given a ride home if I continued making her cry with my hysterics.

This is why it's important not to let bad past experiences sour good future experiences, and why you shouldn't draw generalizations about a group (in this case, an entire gender) based on a couple of bad apples.

Some might call what I do and enjoy an "obsession" when it comes to women, and I'd agree. I think you need to have a level of obsession if you want to be very successful with anything - nobody is going to become Casanova by only introducing themselves to 1 or 2 new women per month. But they might get there if they're willing to approach 10-20 every week for months and months and months. Obsession is what's going to keep you going through the rejections, and the fake numbers, and the flakes, and the blue balling, and all manner of BS you're sure to encounter while going through the process of getting good at talking to women.

The important part is being able to see past that - to see that the pleasure of the outcome is worth the pain of the process.

Others will read this and not think it's necessary to have this mindset. They may want only a handful of women in their lives and discard this idea because they just need "one GOOD girl". And they'd be correct - but they still have to go up to and meet that good girl.

I would argue that whatever your goal is on the back-end; whether one-night stands, friends with benefits, serious girlfriends, potential wives, etc, you would do well to adopt this mindset to have the resilience to go and meet those women on the front-end.

If you want to be REALLY successful at seducing lots of women, I say again, you need to LOVE women.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Spoiler - David's passion for women takes him to a psychiatrist, who is a woman. For him there is no escape.

 

[Plinco]

If you want to seduce lots of women...you need to LOVE women.

That's a nice sounding bit. I love young women but that doesn't mean they love me. Perhaps, you could say that it's not just loving them in the here and now, but in the long run, as in it's a consideration in your long term plans.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I've been wanting to type this up for a while now, and I think I finally have enough time to go from start to finish.

Within the past year, I've been with 14 or 15 different women, 5 of whom came (pun intended) during this last month and a half. Having been with over 100 women in my lifetime, while making very little money, living with my parents, in the suburbs of the drive-thru state known as Delaware, I think I'm qualified to speak on what I believe is the "secret" to my success.

Hi BPH. The following is not a criticism but rather two genuine questions. I find you to be one of the more intriguing SoSuave members.

As you said, you make very little money and live with your parents. From what I recall, you are in your early 30's. It seems that the main cause of your financial circumstances is the fact that you spend 90% of your waking hours trying to meet girls and get laid. And all of your interactions with females are of a short term nature and usually fizzle out after a couple of dates. So, Question 1: Do you find this to be a genuinely satisfying lifestyle?

And Question 2: Do you think it would be more satisfying to be in an LTR (or have short-term flings, but less frequently) while spending more time and effort building a business or pursuing a career with a potential for high earnings? In America, you don't even have to be smart to be rich. You just have to be (a) not stupid and (b) persistent. You certainly don't strike me as someone who is stupid and, from reading some of your reports, you're not lacking in persistence. If you applied the same time and effort to money-making pursuits (and by that I mean serious stuff, not being a dating coach) from, say, the age of 20, I have no doubt you would have been a millionaire by now.

 

[BPH]

As you said, you make very little money and live with your parents. From what I recall, you are in your early 30's. It seems that the main cause of your financial circumstances is the fact that you spend 90% of your waking hours trying to meet girls and get laid. And all of your interactions with females are of a short term nature and usually fizzle out after a couple of dates. So, Question 1: Do you find this to be a genuinely satisfying lifestyle?

Alright, so a few things to break down here...

First, I don't really spend all that much time trying to meet girls and get laid - I'll go out for maybe 2 hours on a Friday and/or Saturday night and have a few drinks. Beyond that, I'll swipe on the dating apps while doing my 30 minutes of cardio at the gym. That's about it. Philly was an exceptionally busy week because I was juggling a bunch of matches that I had, along with the women I'd met in person, and trying to schedule dates.

Second, this is not the cause of my financial circumstances. I attribute that to pre-COVID, when I had spent years working under a talent agent who represented me for modeling and acting. This was also AFTER being under an 18-month modeling contract with BMG in New York that got me no work. I worked a part-time job, so I had the flexibility to do things like get headshots updated or drive to DC to be coached by him for hours and hours. I did auditions twice, the second of which I got some callbacks, but because COVID was in full swing by then, I needed to be vaccinated and up to date on my boosters - something I wasn't comfortable with, so that door closed. So then I'm working a part-time job I hate, while trying and failing at multiple business ventures, and half-a**ing those businesses because I have to appease my boss during hours where I could be getting clients. I left that job at the beginning of the year and went all in on the coaching. The women cost me maybe $100 on a date night outing, at most.

To answer the actual question, I enjoy it. I would prefer my relationships to be longer-term, but I don't dictate that, which is why I have to be good at this - so that when women drop off, I can go out and recruit more. Some last longer than others, but when it's found that I'm not looking for exclusivity, that puts the relationship on something of a countdown timer. I understand what it is, and I'm ok with that. I'd eventually want a family and all that, but it'd be AFTER I sort my financial situation, where a woman would be an ADDITION to my life, rather than a potential DISTRACTION from the one I'm trying to build.

And Question 2: Do you think it would be more satisfying to be in an LTR (or have short-term flings, but less frequently) while spending more time and effort building a business or pursuing a career with a potential for high earnings? In America, you don't even have to be smart to be rich. You just have to be (a) not stupid and (b) persistent. You certainly don't strike me as someone who is stupid and, from reading some of your reports, you're not lacking in persistence. If you applied the same time and effort to money-making pursuits (and by that I mean serious stuff, not being a dating coach) from, say, the age of 20, I have no doubt you would have been a millionaire by now.

I sorta hit on that with my answer above, but I'd distill it to this: why buy the cow when I can get the milk for free? Now, I've had some good relationships, and I've had some bad ones, and what I will say is that I don't enjoy the drama that comes with them most of the time. Have you ever watched Patrice O'Neal? I have a very similar outlook as he had, wherein I believe men want to be left alone, but don't want to BE alone. I like having my free time.

Also, just for some perspective, because you said "serious stuff, not being a dating coach"...I mentioned that I'm working with a guy who scales dating coaches. There's a guy in the group who just posted his earnings of $58k this month.

Not this year. This month.

Is there a ceiling? I'm sure, but I'd hardly discount it as not being serious enough. If you got on the calls with some of the guys I've been on calls with, you'd see how much bigger this problem is beyond SoSuave (even if you already have some idea). I mentioned some specifics of that in this thread if you want to lead the linked reply and the few below it. This isn't just some sorta side hustle that I'm half-a**ing: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lr-113.286039/post-3189621

 

[zekko]

If you want to seduce lots of women...you need to LOVE women.

This is interesting. When I read the title, the first thing that popped into my head was to not give a damn about them, at all. Because if you have that psychopathic personality, you can run through a lot of women, telling them whatever is necessary, using whatever tactics needed, discarding them at will, and not getting tangled up with any of them to the extent that it causes deep regret, or pain if things don't work out.

That is not me though, and I've always said what a lot of guys here are lacking is to love women. Or yeesh, at last like them. Some guys are too wrapped up in bitterness and resentment toward women to relate to them well. I find women to be wonderful and beautiful, if often frustrating, creatures. And it does help to actually like a person (in this case a woman) to be able to vibe with her.

What the OP is doing here is almost the opposite of the first paragraph I wrote above. He runs through a lot of women, not out of psychopathy, but out of genuine regard for him. He enjoys them in the moment, and that allows him to go through so many. He has an unselfish love, which does not demand that he possess her. You can admire the flower, but if you pick it, it dies. Variety is a powerful draw for men. There are a LOT of beautiful women on the planet, and each has something unique to offer. Not sure how he doesn't get caught up with a particular one though (the dreaded oneitis), because to me, it always seems that there is one out there whose beauty and attraction is so sharp it can cut you to ribbons if you fall on it. But it's up to the man to have the self discipline not to let that happen.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Misogyny doesn't come from nowhere, and I don't think it's as simple as guys just deciding they hate women one day. There are pretty specific psychological preconditions that make certain men dramatically more susceptible to developing genuinely hateful attitudes toward women, and I think it's worth actually examining what those are.


Now I'm not going to pretend women are angels. They can be frustrating, manipulative, and sometimes outright awful. That's just an honest observation. With that said, the relevant question isn't what women do. It's what traits a man brings into those interactions that determine whether he processes them normally or lets them calcify into something toxic. High neuroticism, entitlement, rejection sensitivity, a victim mentality, a scarcity mindset around women, and a social world confined almost entirely to online spaces. Stack enough of those together, and you've essentially built someone who is constitutionally incapable of absorbing a negative experience with a woman without it confirming some grand narrative about how women are the problem.


The attribution errors these guys make are also worth examining. When they see a man who is successful with women, they don't ask what that process actually looked like, the effort, the rejection, the social calibration over the years. They just construct the most convenient explanation. He's a Chad. He's a certain race. He has money. Whatever variable removes their own agency from the equation.


The uncomfortable conclusion is this. If resentment toward women feels automatic and justified to you on a deep level, therapy might be the last chance for these guys. Furthermore, a meaningful number of these guys are likely neurodivergent in ways that have gone completely unaddressed, which explains a lot of the cognitive rigidity without excusing the behavior. That's not an insult. It's just an honest assessment of what's probably going on.

 

[Plinco]

Misogyny doesn't come from nowhere, and I don't think it's as simple as guys just deciding they hate women one day. There are pretty specific psychological preconditions that make certain men dramatically more susceptible to developing genuinely hateful attitudes toward women, and I think it's worth actually examining what those are.


Now I'm not going to pretend women are angels. They can be frustrating, manipulative, and sometimes outright awful. That's just an honest observation. With that said, the relevant question isn't what women do. It's what traits a man brings into those interactions that determine whether he processes them normally or lets them calcify into something toxic. High neuroticism, entitlement, rejection sensitivity, a victim mentality, a scarcity mindset around women, and a social world confined almost entirely to online spaces. Stack enough of those together, and you've essentially built someone who is constitutionally incapable of absorbing a negative experience with a woman without it confirming some grand narrative about how women are the problem.


The attribution errors these guys make are also worth examining. When they see a man who is successful with women, they don't ask what that process actually looked like, the effort, the rejection, the social calibration over the years. They just construct the most convenient explanation. He's a Chad. He's a certain race. He has money. Whatever variable removes their own agency from the equation.


The uncomfortable conclusion is this. If resentment toward women feels automatic and justified to you on a deep level, therapy might be the last chance for these guys. Furthermore, a meaningful number of these guys are likely neurodivergent in ways that have gone completely unaddressed, which explains a lot of the cognitive rigidity without excusing the behavior. That's not an insult. It's just an honest assessment of what's probably going on.

The solution here is reason, and the application of which, productivity. This tribal hatred and frustration is rooted in a lack of self-efficacy.

How effective someone is produces their psychology, not the other way around.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Most are harmless but being obsessed with women is ultimately going to lead you on a path of destruction

I love women but I'm also fully aware what they are capable of because I have so much experience with them

Simply telling a noob the secret is to " love women " is going to more often than not end up in total disaster

 

[zekko]

Misogyny doesn't come from nowhere, and I don't think it's as simple as guys just deciding they hate women one day. There are pretty specific psychological preconditions that make certain men dramatically more susceptible to developing genuinely hateful attitudes toward women, and I think it's worth actually examining what those are.

Now I'm not going to pretend women are angels. They can be frustrating, manipulative, and sometimes outright awful. That's just an honest observation. With that said, the relevant question isn't what women do. It's what traits a man brings into those interactions that determine whether he processes them normally or lets them calcify into something toxic.

Certainly men should be forewarned of the dangers regarding women. But I don't think hate is ever the solution (to anything). The answer IMO is to have standards and proceed with caution. Never let yourself be put into a situation where someone else has power over you. This comes with experience.

From what I've read on this forum, too often men are willing, even eager, to spend time with toxic women just so they can get a few minutes of sexual pleasure out of them. Personally, I've never liked the idea of just bedding down a woman when she isn't good enough to spend time with otherwise. I mean, I understand it, but I don't like it. Better off spending your time with women who are worthy of it.

 

[characternote]

You're a good looking dude. Don't overthink it lol.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

One of the things that helped me tremendously is I genuinely enjoy talking to and learning about people so I would listen intently and ask questions that showed I was paying attention to what they said and showed an inquisitive side about them.

Many of them told me that was something they really found attractive about me, that they loved our conversations and that very few people had ever asked them the type of things that I did before and it showed I wanted to get to know them.

But the key was, it wasn't because I was trying to "fake being interested", I actually was interested in learning about them.

Real recognizes real. Some things in life cannot be faked.

So to guys out there struggling in person. Try actually listening and stop thinking about what you are going to say next or whatever "script" you are trying to run in your mind while they are talking and pay attention. They are giving you endless topics of conversation to talk to them about.

 

[CornbreadFed]

In defense, to love women you need to have some initial success. I think the misogyny is most common in guys that struggle with the early stages of dating.

 

[Gamisch]

Okay ,but how is this " the key"?. Key implies its the end all be all solution and that applying this method is waterproof and guaranteed succes. Akin to saying " the key to becoming rich is...".

Yeah to work hard and somehow enjoy what you do. It will be beneficiary no doubt. But I dont think its the key. I dont think an incel will become Casanova if he simply" likes " women more.

Matter of fact: argueble enjoying/liking women LESS will yield better results for some men! Some men ( myself included) have / had to significantly kick off from the drugs named women and focus on other shyte. Some men need to come across as LESS thirsty, more nonchalant and have other goals than chasing tail.

Now I know you're the type to defend everything instead of acknowledging advice, but imo 14 dates , 100 a pop is 1400 dollar gone. And lets be real: its more than that. I doubt it will be 100 flat 14 times in row. Just be honest.
CNBC

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'Date-flation': Average Millennial date costs $252, BMO finds
7 days ago — The average date costs $189 among Americans who spend money on dating, according to the BMO Real Financial Progress Index for 2026.

Not saying that it applies to you as these are just averages. But gas, parking drinks, food gonna add up REAL fast. A hotel room and boom and you're WAY above 100.


At some point you could save that money and use it to brute force your way to your own house, momey for investments, some money for a rainy day( which will come thats just life). But that's gotta take discipline and withdrawal, even if its only temporarily. Might as well get a gf, spend 100 per month ( because she will ALSO invest inn YOU) save some cash and make some big boy steps.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Alright, so a few things to break down here...

First, I don't really spend all that much time trying to meet girls and get laid - I'll go out for maybe 2 hours on a Friday and/or Saturday night and have a few drinks. Beyond that, I'll swipe on the dating apps while doing my 30 minutes of cardio at the gym. That's about it. Philly was an exceptionally busy week because I was juggling a bunch of matches that I had, along with the women I'd met in person, and trying to schedule dates.

Second, this is not the cause of my financial circumstances. I attribute that to pre-COVID, when I had spent years working under a talent agent who represented me for modeling and acting. This was also AFTER being under an 18-month modeling contract with BMG in New York that got me no work. I worked a part-time job, so I had the flexibility to do things like get headshots updated or drive to DC to be coached by him for hours and hours. I did auditions twice, the second of which I got some callbacks, but because COVID was in full swing by then, I needed to be vaccinated and up to date on my boosters - something I wasn't comfortable with, so that door closed. So then I'm working a part-time job I hate, while trying and failing at multiple business ventures, and half-a**ing those businesses because I have to appease my boss during hours where I could be getting clients. I left that job at the beginning of the year and went all in on the coaching. The women cost me maybe $100 on a date night outing, at most.

To answer the actual question, I enjoy it. I would prefer my relationships to be longer-term, but I don't dictate that, which is why I have to be good at this - so that when women drop off, I can go out and recruit more. Some last longer than others, but when it's found that I'm not looking for exclusivity, that puts the relationship on something of a countdown timer. I understand what it is, and I'm ok with that. I'd eventually want a family and all that, but it'd be AFTER I sort my financial situation, where a woman would be an ADDITION to my life, rather than a potential DISTRACTION from the one I'm trying to build.



I sorta hit on that with my answer above, but I'd distill it to this: why buy the cow when I can get the milk for free? Now, I've had some good relationships, and I've had some bad ones, and what I will say is that I don't enjoy the drama that comes with them most of the time. Have you ever watched Patrice O'Neal? I have a very similar outlook as he had, wherein I believe men want to be left alone, but don't want to BE alone. I like having my free time.

Also, just for some perspective, because you said "serious stuff, not being a dating coach"...I mentioned that I'm working with a guy who scales dating coaches. There's a guy in the group who just posted his earnings of $58k this month.

Not this year. This month.

Is there a ceiling? I'm sure, but I'd hardly discount it as not being serious enough. If you got on the calls with some of the guys I've been on calls with, you'd see how much bigger this problem is beyond SoSuave (even if you already have some idea). I mentioned some specifics of that in this thread if you want to lead the linked reply and the few below it. This isn't just some sorta side hustle that I'm half-a**ing: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lr-113.286039/post-3189621

This certainly puts things in perspective. The odds of making decent money as a model - and a male one at that - are about on par with the odds of winning the Powerball.

Regarding the dating coach thing, at the risk of giving unsolicited advice, you should treat it as a hobby as opposed to your main occupation. Sure, there is some guy somewhere who made $58,000 a month. That doesn't mean anything. For every dating coach who makes $58,000 a month, there are 100 guys on Wall Street who make $58,000 a day.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

@BPH

No offense if I'm off base, but I hope you're not some guy larping online as an accomplished PUA.

The reason I say that is your "persona" is very, very much like Johnny Depp's character in "Don Juan Demarco."

Dude loved women from an early age and slept with hundreds.

But I believe you are absolutely correct. Of the "naturals" I've known in my life, the one key trait is they loved life, themselves, and women, and weren't afraid to let it show to anybody.

Unfortunately in the modern train wreck dating world, most guys have a secret, subconscious hatred for women.

 

[BPH]

The attribution errors these guys make are also worth examining. When they see a man who is successful with women, they don't ask what that process actually looked like, the effort, the rejection, the social calibration over the years. They just construct the most convenient explanation. He's a Chad. He's a certain race. He has money. Whatever variable removes their own agency from the equation.

Kinda like this?

You're a good looking dude. Don't overthink it lol.

Simply telling a noob the secret is to " love women " is going to more often than not end up in total disaster

To get really good at anything, one has to have a strong enough "why" to keep them going through setbacks and hardships. If someone's "why" is external or superficial, then they'll get burnt out and easily deterred by the first roadblock between where they are now and their definition of a successful outcome.

The main takeaway is that excellence in a subject requires being passionate about that subject.

In defense, to love women you need to have some initial success. I think the misogyny is most common in guys that struggle with the early stages of dating.

I didn't. I was such a late bloomer that throughout middle school and into early high school, my peers thought I was gay. I was bullied and became so avoidant that I'd be nauseous all throughout the day, and would excuse myself for the majority of my classes to go to the bathroom and just not return.

It wasn't until I transferred schools that I was able to reinvent myself and focus on what I did want, rather than being plagued by what I didn't want.

Okay ,but how is this " the key"?. Key implies its the end all be all solution and that applying this method is waterproof and guaranteed succes. Akin to saying " the key to becoming rich is...".

Yeah to work hard and somehow enjoy what you do. It will be beneficiary no doubt. But I dont think its the key. I dont think an incel will become Casanova if he simply" likes " women more.

It's the key if you want to be with a LOT of women. It is not necessary if you want to be with SOME women.

Just like going to the gym isn't a necessity if you want to be healthy. But it is a necessity if you want to be a bodybuilder.

Now I know you're the type to defend everything instead of acknowledging advice, but imo 14 dates , 100 a pop is 1400 dollar gone. And lets be real: its more than that. I doubt it will be 100 flat 14 times in row. Just be honest.

And I know you're the type to discredit what I say about dating because I don't have my financial situation figured out, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I'll provide some additional context...I don't take women out to dinner dates - that is something I do with women I'm serious about, and may be a once-in-a-while thing I'll do with someone I'm actively f***ing. 9.9 times out of 10, we're grabbing drinks somewhere low-key, like last night I went on a date (went really well, need to write a new report) where we got drinks, then went to her place. That cost $78, with the only additional cost being the gas to drive there. Plus, remember, about half the time I'm meeting these women while out, in which case, there is no date. I will say that I have done the hotel thing, I think 3 times in my life, but that is by no means the norm.

Read @Glassguy post about his "Algorithm" I think it was. I basically do that.

This certainly puts things in perspective. The odds of making decent money as a model - and a male one at that - are about on par with the odds of winning the Powerball.

Regarding the dating coach thing, at the risk of giving unsolicited advice, you should treat it as a hobby as opposed to your main occupation. Sure, there is some guy somewhere who made $58,000 a month. That doesn't mean anything. For every dating coach who makes $58,000 a month, there are 100 guys on Wall Street who make $58,000 a day.

You don't have to believe in it, it's not you who is doing it. What I will say is that it's made me more money than any of my previous attempts at business so far. You know what I think the difference is? I'm really f***ing good at this, whereas with everything else I had to become "good enough", which wasn't enough.

@BPH

No offense if I'm off base, but I hope you're not some guy larping online as an accomplished PUA.

The reason I say that is your "persona" is very, very much like Johnny Depp's character in "Don Juan Demarco."

Haha I'm not, but I found that funny to read for the first time. I'd never seen the movie you're referencing, but I do upload content pretty regularly, most of which I'm just talking to the camera. They're not scripted, and I just give my thoughts on particular subjects, so that might give you a better idea of my "persona".

 

[nicksaiz65]

The main takeaway is that excellence in a subject requires being passionate about that subject.

Tangentially related but;
This might just be a worldview difference. Do you see work/professional pursuits as a passion project or as a means to an end? I can see passion being important for game because the setbacks are personal and the activity is voluntary. But with work, I don’t think passion is always required. IMO, a high paying skill is a means to an end to fund the life you want.

 

[BPH]

Tangentially related but;
This might just be a worldview difference. Do you see work/professional pursuits as a passion project or as a means to an end? I can see passion being important for game because the setbacks are personal and the activity is voluntary. But with work, I don’t think passion is always required. IMO, a high paying skill is a means to an end to fund the life you want.

I don't think passion is required for competence, but I do think it's required for excellence.

 

[Bokanovsky]

You don't have to believe in it, it's not you who is doing it. What I will say is that it's made me more money than any of my previous attempts at business so far. You know what I think the difference is? I'm really f***ing good at this, whereas with everything else I had to become "good enough", which wasn't enough.

Didn't you say in the original post that you made very little money and lived with your parents?

Again, no offence, but you sound like a typical American Millennial or Gen Z-er who wants a vanity job like modelling, influencing or coaching, instead of a real career. Most of them end up working at Starbucks.