“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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You're so fixated on his looks that you dismiss every other factor that has been described, then pass off your own speculation as fact. His looks were clearly a factor, but claiming they were the only factor is pure speculation.

Maybe take your own advice and reread the definition of confirmation bias until the penny drops.
hey clockwerk,
What do you think it means when Greene says
“ but his SECRET was ..”
he isn’t clear here and doesn’t finish the sentence..

his ‘secret’ to what exactly ? .. Or ..of what

I am confused. Pls help clarify thanks
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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hey clockwerk,
What do you think it means when Greene says
“ but his SECRET was ..”
he isn’t clear here and doesn’t finish the sentence..

his ‘secret’ to what exactly ? .. Or ..of what

I am confused. Pls help clarify thanks
I don’t know, but acting like the wording on the video proves your point while ignoring the rest of the description is pretty disingenuous.
 

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In my experience, I always take what women say with a grain of salt. Most of the time, they end up with someone completely different from the type they claim to be looking for.
100%! I'm guilty of this^^ including with my current who is an attorney and I swore I wouid NEVER date an attorney after working with them for years. Among other things.

I'm the same re looks. I always said my preference is tall, blonde and lean (swimmers physique). Why? Because my first love had that look and physique. And for a long time I compared every man to HIM!

But once I finally got over him, I have found myself attracted to all different types, men who did not have that look. So I stopped trying to figure it out. It's much too nuanced and subjective.

As I stated in my previous, in my experience it's about the chemistry/energy that exists between two people, a natural masculine/feminine polarity which is intangible and cannot be defined.

His looks factor in but not for the reason you think. Meaning he may not be conventionally good looking but because of the our mutual natural chemistry/energy which often times is felt very quickly after meeting, he becomes good looking TO ME.

It's also why I have turned down extremely hot men, men with a certain status and wealth..

What I'm trying to say is there is NO magic sauce or formula that will guarantee attraction for either gender IME. No amount of looks or Game will work if the natural chemistry isn't there.

Ever wonder why after a date when YOU felt everything went right, you looked great, were 100% on your Game, did everything right, the woman texted the next day saying "I had a great time but just wasn't 'feeling it'"?

For her, there was no chemistry, no "spark." It happens all the time

Genuine attraction (versus superficial) and chemistry cannot be manufactured or created, again jmo and experience. It simply exists, it's an intangible force, no rhyme or reason.

Stop trying so hard.

All that said, I acknowledge since this is a seduction forum this may not be the right thread (or the right forum) to discuss this in more detail so I'll leave it. Just food for thought

Carry on mate, good luck!
 
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I don’t know, but acting like the wording on the video proves your point while ignoring the rest of the description is pretty disingenuous.
you don’t know?
But you followed along when he said the word SECRET and then the words HE DIDNT GET DEFENSIVE And HE DIDNT GET REACTIVE atraight after it right?

So what do you make of the meaning of that sentence … this Brazilian Man’s ‘SECRET’
His secret to WHAT mate.
Cmon, you made you’re interpretation of the video,
What’s your interpretation of that particular sentence..?

it’s a pretty simple question about a single sentence in the video.
I’m just confused . I need help understanding that sentence . Help me out here guys!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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you don’t know?
But you followed along when he said the word SECRET and then the words HE DIDNT GET DEFENSIVE And HE DIDNT GET REACTIVE atraight after it right?

So what do you make of the meaning of that sentence … this Brazilian Man’s ‘SECRET’
His secret to WHAT mate.
Cmon, you made you’re interpretation of the video,
What’s your interpretation of that particular sentence..?

it’s a pretty simple question about a single sentence in the video.
The video says that the secret is that he never got defensive or reactive. I'm not sure what there is to interpret differently when he spells it out in the very next sentence.
 

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This guy is quite a hit with women too.

Yes. Muscular body, abs, stylish, chiseled jaw, appropriate canthal tilt. Wheat Waffles would rank a 10. Definitely has good text game.
 

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Just one thing to add to @Cheeky_James .

After you asked, I shared with you via DM how my boyfriend approached me at the party. You admitted it was pretty cool! :D Very natural and organic.

There was no Game, no pre-selection, no indifference or other seduction techniques.

What there was was a natural chemistry and masculine/feminine polarity that resulted in a very natural light, fun, flirty, teasing and playful conversation that lasted hours!

He displayed interest, I displayed interest. Call me crazy lol but that's how I believe it should be. I wouldn't settle for anything less.

Was I attracted to his physical appearance? You betcha! That played a part for sure, of course! But it's only one component, it's NOT what drew me to him in the grand scheme.

Why are you trying so hard to find the magic formula? These are all theories, even what Robert Greene preaches is theory imo. It appears to "work" for some men but not all, why?

Because it's not about that.

Just be real. No need to improve your looks (unless you feel bad about yourself, then improve for yourself).

You might be surprised by simply being more genuine, authentic and comfortable in your own skin even if a bit awkward and vulnerable at times, making no apologies for it, how women will be more drawn to you.

Not superficial women who focus only on "looks, money, status" or who respond positively to games...ugh. Such women have their own game and won't hesitate to play it with YOU. Good luck with that. Water attracts its own level.

But rather quality women looking for a quality man. Whether it's for one night, many nights or a LTR.
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Again JMO!
 
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Check out the long running thread “Most Obvious Come on that was Missed.” Story after story of women who were interested (passing the initial looks filter) but then the guy flubbed it because of lack of game. We’ve all been there. Lol.
 

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Check out the long running thread “Most Obvious Come on that was Missed.” Story after story of women who were interested (passing the initial looks filter) but then the guy flubbed it because of lack of game. We’ve all been there. Lol.
My hypothesis: OP has been getting AMOGed at clubs and is frustrated with OLD, so he’s gone from believing in PUA tricks, spins, routines, and dominance to believing looks are everything.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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There was no Game, no pre-selection, no indifference or other seduction techniques.

What there was was a natural chemistry and masculine/feminine polarity that resulted in a very natural light, fun, flirty, teasing and playful conversation that lasted hours!

He displayed interest, I displayed interest. Call me crazy lol but that's how I believe it should be. I wouldn't settle for anything less.

Was I attracted to his physical appearance? You betcha!
That played a part for sure, of course! But it's only one component, it's NOT what drew me to him in the grand scheme.
This is decent, but the issue here is, you (by your admission) were attracted to his physical appearance. So he doesn't have to do much or say much, he just has to listen to you. It's like he's talking to his little sister. That's why the conversation was so natural and organic.

Now if weren't attracted to him,
I don't think conversation would have been so organic or natural or smooth flowing. Even if HE was smooth, my guess is it would have been awkward on your end and you would have been uncomfortable.

If a girl treats a 5'7 computer scientist with glasses the same way she does a 6'1 swimmer, then
a man treats a 23 year old hot waitress the same way he treats a 36 year old slightly overweight woman.
 

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This is decent, but the issue here is, you (by your admission) were attracted to his physical appearance. So he doesn't have to do much or say much, he just has to listen to you. It's like he's talking to his little sister. That's why the conversation was so natural and organic.

Now if weren't attracted to him, I don't think conversation would have been so organic or natural or smooth flowing. Even if HE was smooth, my guess is it would have been awkward on your end and you would have been uncomfortable.

If a girl treats a 5'7 computer scientist with glasses the same way she does a 6'1 swimmer, then
a man treats a 23 year old hot waitress the same way he treats a 36 year old slightly overweight woman.
Hey BadBoy, I'm curious why you didn't bold the entire quote? What followed - "That played a part for sure, of course! But it's only one component, it's NOT what drew me to him in the grand scheme."

That said, you're right! His looks did play a part, physical attraction is important just as is mental/emotional attraction.

I won't ever refute this. But again it's subjective based on many things including (but not limited to) the natural chemistry between you.

This is just my perspective, my experience, not some universal thing. People become attracted to others for all sorts of reasons and agree some women do respond to games and often times they play their own games.

I read the thread @nicksaiz65 referenced, it's been bumped up. I didn't read it as men didn't have enough game, I interpreted it as they lacked a certain social calibration in some instances with women. Ways in which they could have handled things better to get what they wanted.

Is that what is meant by having Game? Having good social calibration? If so fair enough!

$.02
 
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Yes. Muscular body, abs, stylish, chiseled jaw, appropriate canthal tilt. Wheat Waffles would rank a 10. Definitely has good text game.
LMAO.
Yes and if they don’t act like they are attracted to him, he has them taken away and shot.:cool:
Great example btw :rofl:
 

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The video says that the secret is that he never got defensive or reactive. I'm not sure what there is to interpret differently when he spells it out in the very next sentence.
So his ‘secret’ to having a harem of models was -

“When you get busted by another chick, and she gets hysterical .. best to be cool and not also get hysterical.(in front of side chick) ”

“Be cool. Just take her aside and then feed her full of bullsh1t next step. to calm her down”

Ok cool.

I’m sure that’s what 99% of dudes would do anyway, in the same situation.

Great ‘secret’. Wow thanks for the mad insight Robert.
That’s an old movie trope btw heres the famous scene in A Guide for the Married Man (1967).

 
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Hey BadBoy, I'm curious why you didn't bold the entire quote? What followed - "That played a part for sure, of course! But it's only one component, it's NOT what drew me to him in the grand scheme."

That said, you're right! His looks did play a part, physical attraction is important just as is mental/emotional attraction.

I won't ever refute this. But again it's subjective based on many things including (but not limited to) the natural chemistry between you.

This is just my perspective, my experience, not some universal thing. People become attracted to others for all sorts of reasons and agree some women do respond to games and often times they play their own games.

I read the thread @nicksaiz65 referenced, it's been bumped up. I didn't read it as men didn't have enough game, I interpreted it as they lacked a certain social calibration in some instances with women. Ways in which they could have handled things better to get what they wanted.

Is that what is meant by having Game? Having good social calibration? If so fair enough!

$.02
iRL. it’s exactly what BadBoy said.
Good job @BadBoy89

After step 1 where he got attraction with his great looks .
He went to step 2 - don’t be weirdo / don’t fvck it up. (Obviously)
and there’s that Halo Effect comes into play.

Where anything ‘everyday ‘ such a man says , is transformed into ‘charming’ , ‘SoSuave’, ‘funny’ ‘sexy’ etc etc. on the womans side.

because Mother Nature wants it that way.

another guy who comes over and doesn’t have the looks? Says the same things , with the same energy.

but she’ll view his ‘personality’ very differently.
Cos that’s just the way it goes.

re what your mentioned about how various women may react. That’s a good point.
Also yes.
And a Great Looking Seducer guy, will spot this a calibrate himself to what she wants, which parts of his ‘personality ‘ to then show, which seducfion Game this chick prefers. And then run that program.
Because he is a Chameleon.
And he knows how do to this , because he has been with many, many, many different types of women and picked up the patterns.

That’s what a real seducer does.

As he has a ‘database’ in his brain of all the types of women receptive to him. High social IQ for the females.

there’s guys out there that have been with 500+ women. maybe up to 1,000+ Pretty good database :)
 
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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CJ, respectfully man, do you know what "subjective" means? Perhaps that's the disconnect? I don't know. But several of us have discussed this but for some reason you don't seem to get it.

After step 1 where he got attraction with his great looks .
Yes, as I said, he was handsome/attractive to me. I actually talked to other men before he approached who some might consider more conventionally attractive but they did nothing for ME

Anyway...

Nuff said from me. Gotta run. It's been a good debate!
 

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CJ, respectfully man, do you know what "subjective" means? Perhaps that's the disconnect? I don't know. But several of us have discussed this but for some reason you don't seem to get it.



Yes, as I said, he was handsome/attractive to me. I actually talked to other men before he approached who some might consider more conventionally attractive but they did nothing for ME

Anyway...

Nuff said from me. Gotta run. It's been a good debate!
yes I think I do.
And subjective female experiences cannot be trusted for an analysis of this stuff.
Because it’s retrospective commentary - and backwards rationalisation.

it’s like asking a man
“So Bob .when you met Pamela Anderson in her prime .. what was her personality like ?”

he may answer
“I can’t remeber tbh, there was so much blood flowing down to my c0ck, I blacked out”

:oops::rofl:
 

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A tall and incredibly handsome Brazilian seducer man , being non reactive, yesterday.

“Hmmm , I wonder which one of these models I’m going to bang next .”
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So his ‘secret’ to having a harem of models was -

“When you get busted by another chick, and she gets hysterical .. best to be cool and not also get hysterical.(in front of side chick) ”

“Be cool. Just take her aside and then feed her full of bullsh1t next step. to calm her down”

Ok cool.

I’m sure that’s what 99% of dudes would do anyway, in the same situation.

Great ‘secret’. Wow thanks for the mad insight Robert.
That’s an old movie trope btw heres the famous scene in A Guide for the Married Man (1967).

You posted the video. Just like with all your arguments, I’m not sure what the point is of using a clip from a full podcast as evidence when you don’t even take it seriously yourself.

Honestly, there’s no point going back and forth with someone who can’t even make a consistent argument.
 

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You posted the video. Just like with all your arguments, I’m not sure what the point is of using a clip from a full podcast as evidence when you don’t even take it seriously yourself.

Honestly, there’s no point going back and forth with someone who can’t even make a consistent argument.
I’m saying Greene is selling - using that old PUA method of “Secrets”.
I believe the first part. the story and the description of the seducer man.

his jump and link to his ‘secret’ is either subterfuge on his part ,to SELL… or else he is dumb AF with super low social IQ.

I’m guessing it’s the former.
The seducer man’s real ‘secret’ is that he was Tall & Incredibly Good Looking.

So that way , he could pull various Models, from a hotel bar, in Paris.

maybe I just have a sense of humour , cos it’s pretty funny Greenes link.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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