steeringclear
Don Juan
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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
extremely valid stuff. No clue why I went the gentle route. We only have known of each for years (same city, middle school, highschool, uni) but have never talked until right now. The mention about seeing me at the gym was like a few years ago. You don’t think it would be worth just messaging her back asking her for drinks this week?It started off Ok but you took the bone and ran too far with it.
The red flag stuff is negative idk why you kept going back to it
She gave somewhat of an opening to turn it a bit more sexual / flirty when she said " would be fun to torture you"
You replied with
" please be gentle with me "
This is not exactly portraying confident in control energy is it
A better response would have been something like
"sounds like you'd take pleasure in torturing me"
Or " do you always want to torture guys you like "
The conversation started to waffle after that and she got bored , which is why the conversation ended
The messages read like this chick knows she has you where she wants you , I'd go ghost for at least 2-3 months only communicate if you see her in person.
Its very easy to get over excited on text game and say something stupid , probably even more so than you would IRLextremely valid stuff. No clue why I went the gentle route. We only have known of each for years (same city, middle school, highschool, uni) but have never talked until right now. The mention about seeing me at the gym was like a few years ago. You don’t think it would be worth just messaging her back asking her for drinks this week?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
There is interest as she's playing along " would be fun to torture you in a class " isn't being polite it's investing in the conversation its not something you would say in small talk lolSecond, there is no interest here, as shown by her immediate response to buy a ticket to her class. Everything else is her being polite enough not to fully close the door on that being a possibility. It also doesn't help that you came on SUPER strong by suggesting a "private lesson" to somebody you likely don't know personally.
She's trying to steer him towards buying a ticket by flirting, since he's already shown his intention with the "private lesson" remark, which she completely disregarded with just an emoji.There is interest as she's playing along " would be fun to torture you in a class " isn't being polite it's investing in the conversation its not something you would say in small talk lol
eh ig dms has worked plenty well. I also think the ticket buying thing was a **** test because she knows im a muscular dude and not someone who would actually do Pilates. Probs more so testing if I would just comply or not. I think I had it but probably ****ed up later in the conversation.First piece of advice would be not to open via Instagram DMS...it almost never works unless you have some real-world contact. And even then, just get a phone number.
Second, there is no interest here, as shown by her immediate response to buy a ticket to her class. Everything else is her being polite enough not to fully close the door on that being a possibility. It also doesn't help that you came on SUPER strong by suggesting a "private lesson" to somebody you likely don't know personally.
If this girl goes to your gym, you should've approached her and taken her number down.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
You could've responded to "I don't want to embarrass the pilates community" with words to the effect of
I mean I’ve definitely been around enough to know the difference between entertaining me and flirting with me. More so wanted to know how I should get back in there, either replying back to a story or just send another text.I disagree with these other guys, but feel free to keep trying and prove me wrong.
This reads like somebody entertaining a stranger they're not interested in by presenting them with the minimum amount of politeness to not potentially anger them.
She's sending emojis, using a "reaction" instead of responding, and generally giving short answers to OP's double messages.
Do not say anything / like her stories for at least a couple of daysI mean I’ve definitely been around enough to know the difference between entertaining me and flirting with me. More so wanted to know how I should get back in there, either replying back to a story or just send another text.
Will send picture update of us at bar getting drinks
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I don’t see her at the gym, I haven’t seen her in person for 3 years maybe. You don’t think it’s worth waiting a few days and then shooting a “what are you doing this weekend” text. I feel like if she answers then it was worth it and if she doesn’t then I know she wasn’t interested and will never reach back outDo not say anything / like her stories for at least a couple of days
ideally you talk with her first at the gym, and act like nothing has happened
That “ please be gentle “ would have worked just fine if you would have been boyfriend and girlfriend, but as a guy quite early in the courtship sounded submisive and showed way too much interest
if you continue from here to write soon, you will start chasing her and that plummets your attractiveness big time. Basically you will shoot yourself in the foot
well, what happened to you is called negative compliance. You can not make a push when you were hit with negative compliance, as you would chase herI don’t see her at the gym, I haven’t seen her in person for 3 years maybe. You don’t think it’s worth waiting a few days and then shooting a “what are you doing this weekend” text. I feel like if she answers then it was worth it and if she doesn’t then I know she wasn’t interested and will never reach back out
well, what I can tell you is that if you go too much on sexual tension without touching the rapport building you will end up with LMR, that if you can manage to pull her to your place“I need comfort ,trust , connection, sense of humour etc etc”
is really just a smokescreen. It’s bullsh1t.
I have to ask you.. why do you think that - that a woman ‘needs’ rapport to have sex with man?well, what I can tell you is that if you go too much on sexual tension without touching the rapport building you will end up with LMR, that if you can manage to pull her to your place
you need more sexual tension, that is true, but you also need decent ratio of rapport building
not even prost1tutes liked to be treat as such, very unlikely a girl will just sleep with you just because you build a lot of sexual tension and little to no rapport . Unless maybe she is a hoe or has mental issues, or things along this line
Also from my experience, when a girl makes things too easy, usually something is up and very likely you will not convert the opportunity. Especially if it is not night game
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.