"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Lost frame in a relationship. Not sure what to do

BackInTheGame78

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I have to weigh in here. I understand the OP's situation.


I’m sharing my own experience, as well as what I’ve seen among couples of friends out there.
To start: once she behaves this way, is the situation salvageable?
And if it *is* salvageable, what kind of relationship will it be?

I’ve had many friends who have LTRs like those, difficulties arose.

For example: an "orbiter" becoming emotionally closer, a tough financial situation, the guy refusing therapy, or simple things in everyday life, leading her to test him and act like a total *****, etc.

The outcomes varied:

a) In the case where she physically cheated with the orbiter: obviously, the LTR ended in divorce.

b) In cases where she had a crush on an orbiter or another man, after behaviors like withhold sex or threaten to end the relationship, she came to her senses and blocked the orbiter; however, she kept the LTR going but refuses to marry her current boyfriend.

c) Regarding LTRs like my parents': it seems my mother still behaves that way, and my father cheated on her with many prostitutes because they don't have sex, yet she still takes care of him after 50 years.



So, what does this mean?

It seems that men might have lost their frame, or that the woman might be lost her, but yet, for some reason that actually benefits the relationship, the woman returns to showing respect for the man she is with.

She goes back to cooking, tidying the house, doing the laundry, looking after the kids, being accommodating to his requests, posting photos of the two of them online, and doing so much more, even if she has lost respect for him or is thinking about another man in the meantime.

It could be that some women simply want to know they have you wrapped around their finger.
And that they only want to be in a relationship with a man if they know they can control him.
So, is a man who holds his frame a threat to them because they feel they have no power on?

Just like this woman: "I need to control the man" rather than "I need to follow this man."



Yes, I know this is a true thing, but they call it "make up" sex for a reason right?


While it’s true that you should "watch what she does" rather than "listen to what she says," the way this woman is behaving shows that something isn't right with her.
Never assume the "image" she portrays is actually what is going on in the actual relationship.

This mistake is constantly made by people believing the "fantasy" imagery of random social media content accurately portrays the relationship.

NOBODY knows the true details of any relationship outside the two people in it. Period.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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taiyuu_otoko

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say it’s the woman who loses the frame in the relationship
Didn't say that.

Didn't say anything close to that.

I only said that about this particular woman in this particular situation.

If you watch two people talk it's very easy to see who has the frame and who doesn't.

Who is leading the frame and who is chasing.

Who wants the relationship or transaction the most, and who doesn't.

This is pretty basic stuff if you actually get out of the vast theoretical space in your head, get out into the real world and have some real, genuine conversations with real people.
 

jhonny9546

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get out into the real world and have some real, genuine conversations with real people.
You assume this, that is completely wrong mate, and it's not the first time you say that.
If I am asking for something, it's actually because I go out there, and want to know more about it.
Because I don't want to make the same mistake again.

Given this
If you watch two people talk it's very easy to see who has the frame and who doesn't.
Who is leading the frame and who is chasing.
That is come easy to me sometimes, but sometimes, it's not so easy to understand.

Because, you will have women going crazy to men, then those men will blow up, then after two minutes, the man take control, the woman submit and become calm, the man become assertive, and the conversation conclude.

What could you say about this topic? It would be interesting to hear more if you have a skill on reading that
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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