Shedding light on whether women desire men who make fun of other men

[jhonny9546]

Hello Friends!
Johnny here!

I would like to shed light on the fact that women are attracted to a type of man who demonstrates that he makes fun of other men.

It can be done simply mentally, through sarcasm, manipulation, jokes, but also physically as in the examples below

Women tend not to like men who are rude or unkind to them and try to dominate women.

the only women who do are damaged women.

however, women REALLY REALLY like men who are unkind to other men.

when I was a kid, like 22, and really dumb, there was a chick there about my age. Not that hot but big tits. (Workplace)

A dude about 50, ugly, and I didn't get on.

one day he kind of ambushed me when this chick was present. I was too young to not be intimidated by this and the guy tore a strip off me, very aggressive and uncalled for. I was a bit lost and didn't know what to say. It was unexpected, I ended up just walking out.

the chick slept with that dude that night. That really took some processing that I kind of got used as a punching bag to get that guy laid, and women really seem to appreciate that.

on the other side, I went out with a good girl. A good girl, apparently. One night I was drunk and me and this weaker dude were trying to get a taxi. I pulled the guy out of the queue, threatened him and said “this is ours” and told him to F off, and he backed down, intimidated.

this good girl, man, she was sucking mu face off in the taxi and massively turned on.

I know, it's not about being a bad boy with women. It's about being dominant over other men. Period.
You really are onto something there. My woman loves the fact that I project a respectfull and polite demeanor that is tempered with a very definite “you really don't want to f with me” vibe. I've got that Clint Eastwood “Speak softly but carry a big stick” thing going on. Not that I purposely modeled myself after him, but there is a natural similarity.



I used to be a total people-pleaser pu$$y with that sing-songy nice guy voice. You know, that voice tonality that tries to reassure everyone that you're not a threat. I cringe just thinking about it, and am appalled if I catch myself slipping into it. Thankfully I recognize it right away and simply hit my internal reset switch.



My girl also loves the fact that I carry a firearm. Women love it when they consider you dangerous to everyone else but they feel safe with you. But being a loud mouth bully gets old for them. I found that the sweet spot is that quiet dignity and polite attitude while still somehow projecting potential danger.

I've experienced something similar firsthand. I was the victim, but there were a few instances in the past, when I was younger, where I was the aggressor, and I only realized it today.

In fact, I notice that when men behave badly towards other men, women react immediately.

It happened one day at my house when my BIL made fun of a man invited to the party. (I imagine it was a party with my sister for them.)
It happened when a friend of mine cleaned up a boy who had come to make fun of us while we were on the tennis court (that day he had fantastic sex with his girlfriend, who was watching us from the stands).

It's happened many other times too.

Now give some examples, and together let's try to understand what's going on here.

In fact, if a good man has this kind of superior attitude towards other men, it means he himself can't form friendships.
Friendship requires us to raise our game sometimes, and to support other men.
I don't know how to explain it, but you'd never have a friendship with a man like that, nor could he ever have a friendship.
A man like that is giving the example of being a good leader, father?

So how can a woman be attracted to this?

(This might just be confirmation bias)

 

[BaronOfHair]

@jhonny9546 "So how can a woman be attracted to this?"

Big difference between being playful and denigrating one's fellow men

 

[jhonny9546]

@jhonny9546 "So how can a woman be attracted to this?"

Big difference between being playful and denigrating one's fellow men

Ok do some example so We can draw a line

 

[BaronOfHair]

Ok do some example so We can draw a line

One fellow I know personally speaks poorly of

-Politicians he didn't vote for

-Relatives who refuse to kiss his ass

-Co-workers who refuse to hail him as the company's savior

Whenever he's among those who are entirely too nice to say to him outright: "I have no desire to listen to you crap on folks who aren't around to break your jaw, in reward for your boorish antics". Not surprisingly, no heterosexual woman finds him remotely sexy, most men avoid him more zealously than our ancestors shunned small pox carriers, and he's spent decades married to a bull d-ke he knocked up after a one night stand, sometime in the early 1980s

He's not witty or funny, simply passive aggressive and cowardly. THAT's the difference

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

some women are attracted to it from a tactical sense, it comes off kind of sleazy and arrogant but sometimes when it lands well, it has the same effect as any bully attraction dynamic, girls pussies water for the bully in high school even though the bully is a prick. Tactics over strategy. In the long term, the talking smack to ur boys is a terrible strategy but in the short term, just like bullying, a few chicks might get the tingles.

 

[zekko]

I've observed this also. It's pretty simple to understand why: Guys who show they can dominate other men tick the Protector box, it's the same reason women want a strong man.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

 

[quodlibet]

LAME

Women are definitely attracted to guys with high social skills and that includes his ability to get along with other men.

You getting along with other men and then talking crap about them BEHIND THEIR BACKS shows a huge amount of cowardice and being two-faced. Do these qualities that attract women?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

There are so many variables in this kind of dynamic that the only people who think it worthy to discuss this on a forum are those with little to no experience with women or even men in general.

 

[zekko]

Women are definitely attracted to guys with high social skills and that includes his ability to get along with other men.

You getting along with other men and then talking crap about them BEHIND THEIR BACKS shows a huge amount of cowardice and being two-faced.

I think these are all true at once. Girls like guys with social skills, but they are also attracted to guys who can dominate (like the bully scenario). The latter is a more primal response, doesn't mean it can't be overcome by the higher brain - IF the girl wants.

Clowning a guy behind his back is another thing. I could see it appealing to a woman's desire for drama, but she'd probably prefer the guy makes fun of another girl.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

It's also manly to have enemies but this is the topic for another discussion. Enemies could be intellectual or political. AKA a man with no enemies is arguably not taking much risk. So in a narrow tactical sense a man who demonstrates that he can deal with other men is ticking the box, albeit in a sleezball kind of way.

 

[jhonny9546]

One fellow I know personally speaks poorly of

-Politicians he didn't vote for

-Relatives who refuse to kiss his ass

-Co-workers who refuse to hail him as the company's savior

Whenever he's among those who are entirely too nice to say to him outright: "I have no desire to listen to you crap on folks who aren't around to break your jaw, in reward for your boorish antics". Not surprisingly, no heterosexual woman finds him remotely sexy, most men avoid him more zealously than our ancestors shunned small pox carriers, and he's spent decades married to a bull d-ke he knocked up after a one night stand, sometime in the early 1980s

He's not witty or funny, simply passive aggressive and cowardly. THAT's the difference

Women are definitely attracted to guys with high social skills and that includes his ability to get along with other men.

You getting along with other men and then talking crap about them BEHIND THEIR BACKS shows a huge amount of cowardice and being two-faced. Do these qualities that attract women?

Man..
I don't accept this behaviour, nor I do behave like that myself. (I've done in the past, when I was a teenager).

But there are many man like that.
Those have families, beautiful wives, kids, friends too.

And they always always talk bad like you do in your example.

So how the hell they've those lives..What's missing

 

[BaronOfHair]

But there are many man like that.
Those have families, beautiful wives, kids, friends too

Similalry, we can all think of at least a few actors who aren't especially versatile, yet have made millions, coasting mostly off their physical appeal and a persona that resonates with "typical" filmgoers. If YOU were an aspiring thespian though, would you

-Stake your future on being the next Tom Cruise/Paul Newman/(dare I say it)Denzel Washington?

OR would you

-Become extremely well-versed in your craft, regulalry astound viewers with what you're capable of, and say to yourself: "If I carve out a career like that of say, Titus Welliver/Ray Winstone/Xander Berkeley, I'll be satisfied"?

Same is true of dating and mating: Don't focus myopically on the occasional anomalies. Instead, do exactly what most men who've succeeded have done

 

[jhonny9546]

Instead, do exactly what most men who've succeeded have done

For this I have a quote from one of my fav artists:
"Impact Millions"

(if i correctly understood what you meant)

 

[The Diver]

A high-status, high-value man protects the tribe, the vulnerable, and the weak.
Expression of compassion to the weak and vulnerable, men and women , is a sign of strength and confidence. ( Which attract women probably more than being a bully )
A high-status, high-value man doesn't need to lower other men's value to elevate himself.

The way of a high value man is not to compromise his core values to impress women.( Or anyone at all)

 

[jhonny9546]

A high-status, high-value man protects the tribe, the vulnerable, and the weak.
Expression of compassion to the weak and vulnerable, men and women , is a sign of strength and confidence. ( Which attract women probably more than being a bully )
A high-status, high-value man doesn't need to lower other men's value to elevate himself.

The way of a high value man is not to compromise his core values to impress women.( Or anyone at all)

That’s what I think, too. I’m going to be that kind of man, and being that kind of man means grasping the big picture.

So, there might be something about men who *don't* act the way you described, something that appeals to women more than those "high-status," "high-value" guys do.

Because if we’re in total agreement, and we aren't wrong, that women like high-value men, then why does she end up with the loser?

We talk about this a lot on the forum.
It’s as if women want to be owned and, at the same time, treated like slaves, treated badly, whereas the kind of man, you’re describing (and I have friends just like that), would never even dream of doing something like that.

So the high value man must learn to treat women badly?
I don't think

 

[UK manc]

That’s what I think, too. I’m going to be that kind of man, and being that kind of man means grasping the big picture.

So, there might be something about men who *don't* act the way you described, something that appeals to women more than those "high-status," "high-value" guys do.

Because if we’re in total agreement, and we aren't wrong, that women like high-value men, then why does she end up with the loser?

We talk about this a lot on the forum.
It’s as if women want to be owned and, at the same time, treated like slaves, treated badly, whereas the kind of man, you’re describing (and I have friends just like that), would never even dream of doing something like that.

So the high value man must learn to treat women badly?
I don't think

Yes, it's about being a rounded, decent individual in all aspects of life. Good post.

We all know the type doing things just for women but then backfire on other parts of their life, socially, reputation-wise, financially, spiritually. They burn out young. Men have 50+ years at his peak.

 

[The Diver]

Because if we’re in total agreement, and we aren't wrong, that women like high-value men, then why does she end up with the loser?

Maybe because that's the best she could do?!
Women's decisions usually have a direct connection to their upbringing, self-esteem, self-respect, mental health, and more.

Women want to be owned and, at the same time, treated like slaves, treated badly,

Women want to feel owned by strong men, but no women want to be treated like s**t. If she does, again, read my above paragraph.
No women with decent self-respect and self-esteem want to be treated like s*"t. This notion peddled by some members here is BS.

 

[jhonny9546]

Women want to feel owned by strong men, but no women want to be treated like s**t. If she does, again, read my above paragraph.

No women with decent self-respect and self-esteem want to be treated like s*"t. This notion peddled by some members here is BS.

There is actually something going on here about that.
Right now, I don't feel qualified to say whether this is good or bad; having never had those experiences myself, I can't confirm.



It would be interesting to hear how you distinguish between being "owned" and being "treated like ****."