“The rarest infield in the world “

[Cheeky_James]

Look what I found
I like the comment section “rarest infield in the world “

Probably in Romania..
love the cheesy music too.

 

[MatureDJ]

Look what I found
I like the comment section “rarest infield in the world “

Probably in Romania..
love the cheesy music too.

I must be L7 as I have no idea what this is supposed to be.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Nice kino demonstration by Zan

 

[Cheeky_James]

Zan makes me laugh.
His Arts Amorta YT channel has about 100+ videos of his seduction philosophy and talks
“ The Art Of Beauty “
, “The beauty song”
“balancing your inner warrior and lover” etc

Truth is …. he’s just very handsome.

Same story with Brent Smith.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Zan makes me laugh.
His Arts Amorta YT channel has about 100+ videos of his seduction philosophy and talks
“ The Art Of Beauty “
, “The beauty song”
“balancing your inner warrior and lover” etc

Truth is …. he’s just very handsome.

I've met Zan in real life long ago. He seemed a nice person, but also a bit...simple? And I also got the impression he isn't too genuine - he was nice, but it didn't feel too deep or meaningful - just a "casual" niceness to everybody.

From what I saw, despite his looks, he didn't make a great impression on girls. Perhaps because he was nice and sweet to the point of being cheesy and not being taken seriously, not being perceived as a genuine person?

I think his LTR is Romanian - which really says a lot - many Western seduction coaches can't get a hot woman in their home countries, so they get one from "easier" regions like Eastern Europe, Latin America, etc.

I find it even more hillarious - he's was not doing that great even with his good looks.

And yes, him recording dozens of videos, writing a book, etc etc and other men listening to it, treating him as a "guru" is funny.

I don't find his ideas bad - many women enjoy romance, nice atmosphere, etc - but I think he overcomplicates it and goes too far in that direction. He unnecessarily makes it sound like it requires some kind of deeper philosophy, ideology, spirituality...

In Poland, in the 70s/80s there was a country-wide famous seducer-criminal, Jerzy Kalibabka. He was seducing women and stealing jewelry and money from them, "borrowing" money, etc. He reputedly stole the equivalent of around 3.8 millions contemporary USD dollars. His successes were confirmed by the legal system, because he was prosecuted and sentenced for 15 years of prison. He stayed in prison for almost 10 years, then got out and despite being widely known as a criminal seducer, he still managed to seduce a model and had kids with her.

Why am I mentioning Kalibabka in a thread about Zan? Because Kalibabka was also using a "romantic" style. And he was obviously not a deep, spiritual person - he was a ruthless criminal. My point is that Zan is telling people a lot of unnecessary spiritual/ideological stuff, while in reality the "romantic style" can work very well without any kind of "spirituality".

BTW If you're interested in Kalibabka, you can read about him below - it's in Polish, but you can use a translator:

Jerzy Kalibabka – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia

pl.wikipedia.org

Czar "Tulipana", czyli prawdziwa historia Jerzego Kalibabki

Był najsłynniejszym uwodzicielem PRL-u, złamał serce 3 tysiącom kobiet, jest ponoć ojcem 30 dzieci

facet.wp.pl

A video with parts where he is interviewed in prison (turn on subtitles + translation to English):

 

[Cheeky_James]

That’s very interesting @CharmingPsychopath i’ll definitely give it a watch
Was Jerzy also fronting as a high statu$ guy ..a la the Tindler Swinder?

Zan does occasionally give some good tips.
But then I watched a video of him saying “I’m a terrible coach with students” (what??) and also “ I’m very dirty and direct with women” (what??) which made me reconsider.

this video has good advice re conversation, making statements vs asking questions. using assertive language ,’ I statements ‘etc is solid stuff imo.

 

[pipeman84]

I think his LTR is Romanian - which really says a lot - many Western seduction coaches can't get a hot woman in their home countries, so they get one from "easier" regions like Eastern Europe, Latin America, etc.

She's about 26yrs younger than him and she's an architect. They got together when she was about 22 and she was a very pretty girl so I'd say he hit the jackpot (youth + looks + smarts).
Also, you have to consider that the video in OP was filmed in London and he was about 50yrs old at that time. Why would a Canadian 50yrs old 'seduction coach' with not much to his name other than the clothes on his back be successful with women +20yrs younger?

 

[Cheeky_James]

@CharmingPsychopath

more good stuff here from him that maybe vibes with what you say re sexual state..

but the good stuff is buried in an ocean of other sh1t he talks about. And his very life stories are very suspect.

“I left home at 13 with a knife and a rifle “
“I grew up with the wolverines in Canada ”
“I quit my job , without a safety net and just went out an became a vagabond pirate adventurer ”

…riiight.

 

[Cheeky_James]

double post

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Was Jerzy also fronting as a high statu$ guy ..a la the Tindler Swinder?

According to the article, he was posing as a goldsmith from a rich family, a sailor or a sportsman.

Zan does occasionally give some good tips.

Yes. He does have field experience AND he does have a decent understanding of women. The second part is rare, as many seduction coaches seems to be autistic or something similar to it and they do NOT understand women, even after of years doing this stuff, even after doing tons of approaches, etc.

Then again, he makes it unnecessarily complicated and "spiritual", which can be misleading.

And once again - Jerzy Kalibabka is a great example how the "romantic" style of seduction can work perfectly well without the "spirituality".

Zan would be a much better teacher if he told directly how his style works - without all the spirituality/ideology lecture.

more good stuff here from him that maybe vibes with what you say re sexual state..

Yes, but when I saw him in real life, his vibe was soft romantic, not sexual.

but the good stuff is buried in an ocean of other sh1t he talks about.

Exactly.

And his very life stories are very suspect.

“I left home at 13 with a knife and a rifle “
“I grew up with the wolverines in Canada ”
“I quit my job , without a safety net and just went out an became a vagabond pirate adventurer ”

…riiight.

Yes - he's doing a romantisation of himself and his life, even when speaking with male audience. Which he also does with women of course. Instead of teaching men HOW TO DO the romantisation, he's DOING IT ON THEM.

This is actually very common with naturals (and I think he's one) - they use their BS (bull-sh it) on men too, even on men wanting to learn from them.

I think that cheesy BS-ing was/is his problem when gaming women - I think that a lot of women could kind of sense something is wrong and he's not too honest with them (I don't just mean direct BS-ing, but also the vibe and his whole "gentle, romantic, spiritual traveller" act).

I think that like many people who tell BS, especially naturals, he doesn't fully control his BS - it kind of controls him. What I mean by that is that he's so used to doing it, that he can't and/or doesn't want to adjust it, to adapt - he just goes on with it, and it either works or it doesn't, he doesn't care. Which is a working solution of course, as it works on some women and I'm pretty sure it's easier for him that way. But he doesn't inform his followers about such stuff, so his more dedicated followers, who believe him the most, have a distorted image of him and of what he's doing.

In other words, romantic game is a valid option, but he doesn't explain it in a honest manner - instead he uses it ON his followers. It's a common thing with naturals - gaming other men.

She's about 26yrs younger than him and she's an architect. They got together when she was about 22 and she was a very pretty girl so I'd say he hit the jackpot (youth + looks + smarts).
Also, you have to consider that the video in OP was filmed in London and he was about 50yrs old at that time. Why would a Canadian 50yrs old 'seduction coach' with not much to his name other than the clothes on his back be successful with women +20yrs younger?

I agree she's attractive and I also think she looks intelligent and like she has a good personality. And of course 26 year difference is a very big one.

But I wasn't saying that she isn't a high quality woman - I was saying that Zan, like many other Western seduction coaches, has an LTR with a woman from a "easy" region/country.

Many seduction coaches - people who teach seduction to other men for money, who promise other men wonderful results if they use their seduction methods, THEMSELVES USE SO CALLED "GEO-MAXING" - travelling to countries where getting laid is easier for a Western man. And they do this because they can't get women of the same quality in their home countries. Not because there are no great women in their home countries - there are, but they're not interested in the seduction coaches, despite their "magical" seduction methods.

(The same goes for seducing immigrant women from "easy" countries who come to the West.)

Generally, "geo-maxing" is a sign of sexual market failure in somebody's home country - and it's a red flag in the case of seduction coaches, who claim to be "experts" and "masters" of seduction, but actually didn't do that well in their home countries.

And it's especially a red flag in case of a good looking seduction coach like Zan.

About the huge age difference... It might look like a big feat, but it really isn't. Lots of women are attracted to older men IF these older men are attractive. And Zan is attractive.

This is a controversial topic, which makes many people angry due to at least one of two reasons...

A lot of people don't know about this or maybe they've heard something but didn't actually see it a lot. I know about this due to my personal situation...

I'm a naturally attractive/very attractive man - I had many celebrities and 10/10 models become visibly horny, "salivate" at the first sight of me. I don't look like a model, many women rate me only 7/10 physically, but I also additionally convey a long list of attractive traits and vibes. It's actually a complicated topic in itself, initially I was really confused about why many very hot women react to me like I'm some super hot guy, while many other women just pass me by without any special reaction. It's like I'm physically 7/10, but for many women I'm much hotter than that - if I match their "type", I'm like some kind of walking sexual fantasy for them.

I'm now 45+ and I've noticed that I get interested looks from much younger women, including....highschool girls. I know they're highschool girls, because I live kind of close to a highschool, I walk by often on route to another destination and I often pass near groups of girls exiting the highschool building, standing before it, etc... And I get interested looks from girls who are probably around 30 years younger than me. Without saying a single word.

There's a social taboo about it - the society doesn't want to say out loud that yes, many young girl are attracted to MUCH older men. And many people get angry when they hear about it, because it violates how they imagine the world to be. It violates their sense of morality, so it "must" be not true. And how can I "dare" to say something which violates their worldview.

Also, many men get angry because they can't accept that looks matter and that their looks aren't good enough to get interest from much younger women. A lot of experienced PUAs have something like that - they've spent 10 or 20 years studying seduction, but at the end it turns out that all their effort is worth incomparably less than somebody's elses natural attractiveness. So they get angry, frustrated, bitterly jealous, etc.

Due to the social taboo around it, most men don't know that for sufficiently attractive older guys, getting much younger women is EASY. They're not attractive enough (or old enough) to experience it themselves and the society, media, etc are tight lipped about this. And attractive men who experience this usually don't speak about this, because they know many other people could become angry and they could have to face hostility, bad reputation, etc.

There are lots of girls who are around 30 years younger than me and who are attracted to me. Without me saying a single word to them. Does that make me some kind of master seducer, PUA guru, etc? They're simply attracted to my natural attractiveness.

Zan got what seems to be a really good woman, much younger than him - but he's good looking AND he used "geo-maxing". Good for him, but it's really not something special, it's not a proof of any special skill or being some kind of "master" or "expert".

Generally as the age progresses, attractive older guys often sleep with women they have increasingly larger and larger age difference. Like the guy is sleeping with 20+ year old women when he's 30, and he's still sleeping with 20+ year old women when he's 40 or 50 - but now there's a big age difference between him and his lovers. It's nothing special if the guy is attractive and it doesn't make anybody an "expert" on women and seduction.

Zan does say some good things, but unfortunately also does a lot of spirituality/ideology lecturing, which misleads people. And if a good looking seduction coach like him takes an LTR from geo-maxing.... It's a red flag.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Good stuff @CharmingPsychopath I like the analysis.

I just wrote up a date report in my journal fyi check it out.( I met quite an attractive woman tonite.)

Yeah , geomaxxing Puas hey. Very suspect.
There was another older OG PUA named “Rick H” from the DavidDeAngelo days I used to rate the advice of. Aka ‘Mr C0ccky-Funny’ and one of DDs inspirations.

turns out Rick also moved to Romania a few years later. And was always a rich guy/rich playboy who used to flash cash around California back in those DD days.

Then he moved to Romania and an investment guy /Rich guy still there.
He is pretty tight with Brent Smith another OG dating coach,
I think Zan hangs out w him there too,
So they all connected, Goes to show,,,
Brent Smiths instagram channel is hilarious now.
He’s really doing the lifestyle/manifesting grift hardcore now with the richer upper end clients. And posing as having an incredible upper class lifestyle, tuxedos , champagne and yachts etc.