She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
ExplainIt really is OVER for WidowHusbandCels.
Not sure if you are asking about the general expression or how it relates to this thread in particular. I think the original expression was something along the lines of "Its over for Incels" and it became something of recurring inside joke to change the phrase slightly to whatever situation was being discussed. Example if height was being discussed someone would say "Its over for HeightCels"Explain
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
As long as you feel confident that she had nothing to do with herself becoming a widow, I don't see why you would treat her differently from any other woman.I have a neighbor who moved into my neighborhood about 6 months ago and we have grown close the last few months. About a month ago she was over at my house and she told me that she had lost her husband about 10+ years ago. We are getting along great at this point, but I have no experience with this, Any useful advise would be appreciated.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
For a wife to become a widow, her husband dies; therefore it really is OVER for him.Explain
So have you actually dated a widow? I think you might be correct. But just wondering because I have never dated a widow. This woman was extremely attached to her late husband.I dont think there's any real difference in dating a widow
Wrong forum.She is 54
Any useful advise would be appreciated.
There are literally two pages of advice about this woman, so clearly people here are willing to give advice regardless of her age.Wrong forum.
Sosuave does not give advice on
- divorced women
- fat women
- single mothers
- ugly women
- women over 30
Sosuave only gives advice on hot women under 30. If she is hot and under 30 but smokes and / or has a small tattoo, we will accept that too, But anything else, you are on your own.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
That doesn’t mean the man has his life together.There are literally two pages of advice about this woman, so clearly people here are willing to give advice regardless of her age.
Nobody said it does. Your original argument was that this is the wrong forum because she is 54. My point is simply that if there are two pages of people giving advice about her then clearly the forum does give advice on women over 30.That doesn’t mean the man has his life together.
If a man doesn’t know how to handle a woman who has Great Grandson, he’s got bigger problems in life,
Thank you Clockwerk50! You are correct. There have been many post on this forum that talk about women older than 30. As I recall B excellent is probably 56 or 57.Nobody said it does. Your original argument was that this is the wrong forum because she is 54. My point is simply that if there are two pages of people giving advice about her then clearly the forum does give advice on women over 30.
Whether the man has his life together or not is a completely separate issue.
What in the heck are you talking about bad boy. The woman that I know that is a widow.That doesn’t mean the man has his life together.
If a man doesn’t know how to handle a woman who has Great Grandson, he’s got bigger problems in life,