IVLVS Field Journal

[Clockwerk50]

This is bullshiit.

Women don't flake on guys, of whom they have high interest towards.

It is simple; OP is dealing with a lot of women who don't view him as high interest.

If he was, then we wouldn't be having these kinds of discussions with him.

That’s also a possibility.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Lay Report with woman 3 incoming later. Thanks Pook, Anti-Dump, Doctor Europeo, BackIntheGame, Clockwerk, Venom, Sega, BeExcellent, BPH; and everyone who has given me advice and taken the time to know my story.

Good night.

My man. I told you what time it was and you handled your business!

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

Hey everyone. I'm going to post the lay report and give a couple of updates on the other girls.

I was planning on writing this sooner, but I had a reunion with a friend that involved some BBQ, w33d, and beers.

For reference, I actually go to the gym, lift weights, and run at least nine miles a week. Right now I'm doing three miles in about 27 minutes, and I'm trying to bring that down to 25. Gotta put in the work if you're going to ask the same from the world, I think.

Anyway, onto girl #3 and the LR.

I confirmed with her that I'd be at her place around 22:00. She agreed, so the plan was on.

I got out of work, drove over, knocked on the door, and went inside. She's moving out because she's going to live in another state, so my guess is that she basically threw all her previous reservations out the window. Remember, she gave me LMR the first time she was at my place. This time I think her attitude was basically, "**** it, this guy is kind of cute. I'll **** him before I leave."

I showed up with a joint because "the plan" was supposedly to "smoke together," but to my surprise she told me, "Oh, I actually can't do that. I'm getting tested for a new job."

I interpreted that as, "Yeah, that was just the excuse to get you over here."

Also, when I arrived, she was wearing a top with a great neckline, makeup on, and her hair carefully done. Who TF gets dressed like that at 22:00 unless she's at least trying to look attractive for you? lol.

At that point I assumed something was going to happen, so I decided to **** around a little and build the tension slowly instead of rushing it. You know, have fun because IT WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN.

I sat down on the floor, she had basically no furniture left because she was selling everything before moving, and pulled her down next to me. We started talking, teasing each other, and laughing.

I escalated kino gradually and kept it playful. About ten minutes before we eventually left for my place, I started pushing things further: hand on her leg, playing with her hair, kissing her cheeks, and eventually making out.

At one point I was on top of her, but it was like ****ing 86 degrees inside, so she said, "What if we go to your place and you bring me back in the morning? You've got better A/C than I do."

I said, "Yeah, sure. No problem."

On the drive over, we talked about some more personal stuff. I read a lot of philosophy and try to read a ton of literature, but I usually save that side of myself until there's more comfort and the girl starts steering the conversation in that direction. Otherwise, I can probably bore someone to tears with all my talking lol. Instead of regurgitating everything I've ever read, I usually just make the occasional deeper or more insightful comment and see where she takes it. My hand was on her thigh during the drive, and I kept touching her playfully.

Once we got to my place, I offered her a beer. I always have imported beers around. It's just a thing I do: I like going through the beer aisle at the supermarket, finding something from a country I haven't tried before, and buying a couple. She grabbed one. I think it was from the Netherlands.

We went to my bedroom, started fooling around, got undressed, and did the thing.

After working out consistently for a while, I can definitely say my stamina and strength aren't bad. She orgasmed four times during the first session alone lol. Afterward, I went out to buy something else to drink. When I came back, she was completely asleep, so I figured my job was done.

From that point on, the dynamic between us became extremely sexual. She was constantly asking for more sex, touching me, initiating, etc.

Unfortunately, she had to leave this past Sunday. We still exchange messages and all that. Maybe I'll see her again if I ever visit the state she's living in now.

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Girl #1.

This is the girl I had to travel pretty far to see and with whom I escalated very slowly.

Things died.

I feel pretty stupid for not escalating more on the first date. I know I compensated during the second date, but still, escalating earlier would have saved me TIME AND MONEY.

I think I've reached the conclusion that it's better to get a "not yet" than to do absolutely nothing.

If a girl is genuinely interested, a calibrated "not yet" doesn't necessarily kill anything. She'll usually stay engaged and invest in building more comfort and spending more time with you. Obviously, this only applies if you're escalating in a socially calibrated way and not acting creepy, pushy, or desperate.

Things died because, remember, I had asked her about seeing each other again at night and told her I'd pay for an Airbnb?

She answered my messages earlier in the week UNTIL I finally asked, "So what's up? Are we seeing each other this Saturday?"

She didn't even open the message.

Just ghosted me lol.

Live and learn.
---------------------------------

Now onto girl #2, the hot one I originally met blindly and took to that Tim Burton event.

I asked her out last week. I was going to have either Friday or Saturday available, and she told me she could only do Friday, so we agreed on that.

I think we made the plans on Tuesday.

Then on Friday she sent me another message: "Hey, I'm really sorry. I'm not going to be able to make it. I'm arranging some things at the house I just got, and I'm going to be really busy."

So I answered something along the lines of: "Thanks for letting me know. I think it'll be better if we do things like we did last time. Let me know when you're available."

The reason I said that is because the first time I asked her out, she wasn't available either, but SHE was the one who actually suggested another time and invited me out later. So now I've basically let her know that the ball is in her court.

Messaging with this chick is kind of strange.

Sometimes she takes a long time to answer, occasionally a full day, and then other times she's extremely engaged. The important thing is that when she does answer, she usually contributes to the conversation. It's not just dry "yes/no" responses. She actually gives me something to work with.

So I think I'm going to play this one carefully and simply match her level of investment.

If she's interested and becomes more available, she knows she can ask me out or suggest another day.

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Haven't seen girl #4 yet.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Hey everyone. I'm going to post the lay report and give a couple of updates on the other girls.

I was planning on writing this sooner, but I had a reunion with a friend that involved some BBQ, w33d, and beers.

For reference, I actually go to the gym, lift weights, and run at least nine miles a week. Right now I'm doing three miles in about 27 minutes, and I'm trying to bring that down to 25. Gotta put in the work if you're going to ask the same from the world, I think.

Anyway, onto girl #3 and the LR.

I confirmed with her that I'd be at her place around 22:00. She agreed, so the plan was on.

I got out of work, drove over, knocked on the door, and went inside. She's moving out because she's going to live in another state, so my guess is that she basically threw all her previous reservations out the window. Remember, she gave me LMR the first time she was at my place. This time I think her attitude was basically, "**** it, this guy is kind of cute. I'll **** him before I leave."

I showed up with a joint because "the plan" was supposedly to "smoke together," but to my surprise she told me, "Oh, I actually can't do that. I'm getting tested for a new job."

I interpreted that as, "Yeah, that was just the excuse to get you over here."

Also, when I arrived, she was wearing a top with a great neckline, makeup on, and her hair carefully done. Who TF gets dressed like that at 22:00 unless she's at least trying to look attractive for you? lol.

At that point I assumed something was going to happen, so I decided to **** around a little and build the tension slowly instead of rushing it. You know, have fun because IT WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN.

I sat down on the floor, she had basically no furniture left because she was selling everything before moving, and pulled her down next to me. We started talking, teasing each other, and laughing.

I escalated kino gradually and kept it playful. About ten minutes before we eventually left for my place, I started pushing things further: hand on her leg, playing with her hair, kissing her cheeks, and eventually making out.

At one point I was on top of her, but it was like ****ing 86 degrees inside, so she said, "What if we go to your place and you bring me back in the morning? You've got better A/C than I do."

I said, "Yeah, sure. No problem."

On the drive over, we talked about some more personal stuff. I read a lot of philosophy and try to read a ton of literature, but I usually save that side of myself until there's more comfort and the girl starts steering the conversation in that direction. Otherwise, I can probably bore someone to tears with all my talking lol. Instead of regurgitating everything I've ever read, I usually just make the occasional deeper or more insightful comment and see where she takes it. My hand was on her thigh during the drive, and I kept touching her playfully.

Once we got to my place, I offered her a beer. I always have imported beers around. It's just a thing I do: I like going through the beer aisle at the supermarket, finding something from a country I haven't tried before, and buying a couple. She grabbed one. I think it was from the Netherlands.

We went to my bedroom, started fooling around, got undressed, and did the thing.

After working out consistently for a while, I can definitely say my stamina and strength aren't bad. She orgasmed four times during the first session alone lol. Afterward, I went out to buy something else to drink. When I came back, she was completely asleep, so I figured my job was done.

From that point on, the dynamic between us became extremely sexual. She was constantly asking for more sex, touching me, initiating, etc.

Unfortunately, she had to leave this past Sunday. We still exchange messages and all that. Maybe I'll see her again if I ever visit the state she's living in now.

-------------------------------------------
Girl #1.

This is the girl I had to travel pretty far to see and with whom I escalated very slowly.

Things died.

I feel pretty stupid for not escalating more on the first date. I know I compensated during the second date, but still, escalating earlier would have saved me TIME AND MONEY.

I think I've reached the conclusion that it's better to get a "not yet" than to do absolutely nothing.

If a girl is genuinely interested, a calibrated "not yet" doesn't necessarily kill anything. She'll usually stay engaged and invest in building more comfort and spending more time with you. Obviously, this only applies if you're escalating in a socially calibrated way and not acting creepy, pushy, or desperate.

Things died because, remember, I had asked her about seeing each other again at night and told her I'd pay for an Airbnb?

She answered my messages earlier in the week UNTIL I finally asked, "So what's up? Are we seeing each other this Saturday?"

She didn't even open the message.

Just ghosted me lol.

Live and learn.
---------------------------------

Now onto girl #2, the hot one I originally met blindly and took to that Tim Burton event.

I asked her out last week. I was going to have either Friday or Saturday available, and she told me she could only do Friday, so we agreed on that.

I think we made the plans on Tuesday.

Then on Friday she sent me another message: "Hey, I'm really sorry. I'm not going to be able to make it. I'm arranging some things at the house I just got, and I'm going to be really busy."

So I answered something along the lines of: "Thanks for letting me know. I think it'll be better if we do things like we did last time. Let me know when you're available."

The reason I said that is because the first time I asked her out, she wasn't available either, but SHE was the one who actually suggested another time and invited me out later. So now I've basically let her know that the ball is in her court.

Messaging with this chick is kind of strange.

Sometimes she takes a long time to answer, occasionally a full day, and then other times she's extremely engaged. The important thing is that when she does answer, she usually contributes to the conversation. It's not just dry "yes/no" responses. She actually gives me something to work with.

So I think I'm going to play this one carefully and simply match her level of investment.

If she's interested and becomes more available, she knows she can ask me out or suggest another day.

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Haven't seen girl #4 yet.

Good stuff. Hopefully you can get a steady woman you’re sleeping with while still keeping your options open.

Regarding Girl #1, I think the bigger lesson here is to recognize and act on opportunities when they present themselves. Last week, I had a co-worker from Puerto Rico come in to see how we do things in our corporation. She was staying from Monday to Thursday. I saw her on Tuesday and got the biggest green light to show her around the city that night. Unfortunately, I already had a couple of commitments on Tuesday, so I couldn't take advantage of it.

When you get more experience, you will be able to take things at a steadier pace, but most of the time it is up to the context of the situation.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Girl #1.

This is the girl I had to travel pretty far to see and with whom I escalated very slowly.

Things died.

I feel pretty stupid for not escalating more on the first date. I know I compensated during the second date, but still, escalating earlier would have saved me TIME AND MONEY.

I think I've reached the conclusion that it's better to get a "not yet" than to do absolutely nothing.

If a girl is genuinely interested, a calibrated "not yet" doesn't necessarily kill anything. She'll usually stay engaged and invest in building more comfort and spending more time with you. Obviously, this only applies if you're escalating in a socially calibrated way and not acting creepy, pushy, or desperate.

Things died because, remember, I had asked her about seeing each other again at night and told her I'd pay for an Airbnb?

She answered my messages earlier in the week UNTIL I finally asked, "So what's up? Are we seeing each other this Saturday?"

She didn't even open the message.

Just ghosted me lol.

Live and learn.

I stand by what I said. Chalking it up to "not escalating enough on the first date" could be a possibility but it would also be an oversimplication. Other possibilities:

- Mentioning the Airbnb could have came off as " presumptuous ", "too soon", "just a player", etc.
- Investing too much, too soon while she invested little: You were the one traveling all the way to her location on both dates.
- Spending 8 hours on a first date. Always leave them wanting more.
- Another guy entered the picture. Someone higher than you on her @Desdinova ´s High Score List.

And those are just off the top of my head. Hell, I can remember girls I didnt do anything for 5 dates and it didnt hurt me.

Would you have saved time and money if you tried going in for the lay in the first date? Yes, the time and money from the second date I guess. Two things can be true.

But from your location, I still think you will blow a lot of oppportunities out of the water if you push too hard on the first date. The socioeconomic status of girl is laso a factor; with girls of very low socioecnomic status and/or town bycyles by all means escalate as much as possible.

But maybe my experience has been different than yours or BITG's for whatever reason. Maybe things have changed in the years I have been away from the single life.

Anyways, congrats on the LR. Keep it up brother.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Making great progress. Keep going!

 

[Sega Genesis]

I feel pretty stupid for not escalating more on the first date. I know I compensated during the second date, but still, escalating earlier would have saved me TIME AND MONEY.

^^Well, you can feel however you feel but IMO as a woman who isn't the 'town bicycle" nor into riding the 'c0ck carousel' and never was, if anything you lost the girl because of this:

Mentioning the Airbnb could have came off as " presumptuous ", "too soon", "just a player", etc.

As evidenced by the fact she ghosted you immediately after you made that comment.

If you're gonna do Mode One as per ARC and a couple of members here, and are concerned about saving TIME and MONEY, that is totally fine, but be prepared to be shot down as not all women will be responsive to that, even when initially interested and attracted.

I am going to requote a post from another thread as it is so freakin spot on and sadly many guys don't quite get:

If you want them to invest in your cahk, then you need to first invest in their mind.

Learn to screen better for girls who may be more receptive to Mode One IF that's truly what you're going for and choose wisely.

Sorry that one didn't work out man.

P.S. I could be wrong but I have a sense you don't really know what you're doing quite yet (which is okay this shyt takes time to learn) and simply throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

There is no one size fits all. Every woman is different and will respond to different things.

Pay attention and again learn to screen better once you figure out what it is you truly want.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Hey everyone. I'm going to post the lay report and give a couple of updates on the other girls.

I was planning on writing this sooner, but I had a reunion with a friend that involved some BBQ, w33d, and beers.

For reference, I actually go to the gym, lift weights, and run at least nine miles a week. Right now I'm doing three miles in about 27 minutes, and I'm trying to bring that down to 25. Gotta put in the work if you're going to ask the same from the world, I think.

Anyway, onto girl #3 and the LR.

I confirmed with her that I'd be at her place around 22:00. She agreed, so the plan was on.

I got out of work, drove over, knocked on the door, and went inside. She's moving out because she's going to live in another state, so my guess is that she basically threw all her previous reservations out the window. Remember, she gave me LMR the first time she was at my place. This time I think her attitude was basically, "**** it, this guy is kind of cute. I'll **** him before I leave."

I showed up with a joint because "the plan" was supposedly to "smoke together," but to my surprise she told me, "Oh, I actually can't do that. I'm getting tested for a new job."

I interpreted that as, "Yeah, that was just the excuse to get you over here."

Also, when I arrived, she was wearing a top with a great neckline, makeup on, and her hair carefully done. Who TF gets dressed like that at 22:00 unless she's at least trying to look attractive for you? lol.

At that point I assumed something was going to happen, so I decided to **** around a little and build the tension slowly instead of rushing it. You know, have fun because IT WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN.

I sat down on the floor, she had basically no furniture left because she was selling everything before moving, and pulled her down next to me. We started talking, teasing each other, and laughing.

I escalated kino gradually and kept it playful. About ten minutes before we eventually left for my place, I started pushing things further: hand on her leg, playing with her hair, kissing her cheeks, and eventually making out.

At one point I was on top of her, but it was like ****ing 86 degrees inside, so she said, "What if we go to your place and you bring me back in the morning? You've got better A/C than I do."

I said, "Yeah, sure. No problem."

On the drive over, we talked about some more personal stuff. I read a lot of philosophy and try to read a ton of literature, but I usually save that side of myself until there's more comfort and the girl starts steering the conversation in that direction. Otherwise, I can probably bore someone to tears with all my talking lol. Instead of regurgitating everything I've ever read, I usually just make the occasional deeper or more insightful comment and see where she takes it. My hand was on her thigh during the drive, and I kept touching her playfully.

Once we got to my place, I offered her a beer. I always have imported beers around. It's just a thing I do: I like going through the beer aisle at the supermarket, finding something from a country I haven't tried before, and buying a couple. She grabbed one. I think it was from the Netherlands.

We went to my bedroom, started fooling around, got undressed, and did the thing.

After working out consistently for a while, I can definitely say my stamina and strength aren't bad. She orgasmed four times during the first session alone lol. Afterward, I went out to buy something else to drink. When I came back, she was completely asleep, so I figured my job was done.

From that point on, the dynamic between us became extremely sexual. She was constantly asking for more sex, touching me, initiating, etc.

Unfortunately, she had to leave this past Sunday. We still exchange messages and all that. Maybe I'll see her again if I ever visit the state she's living in now.

That's what's up.

My only suggestion here, would be for you to mention sex before you arrived at her crib.

Sure, things worked itself out..but I can just as easily see it going the opposite direction (you arriving, and all she wants is nonsexual time and attention.).

Many men having fallen victim to that "wait, not now" shiit that women pull.

Don't be one of them.

Girl #1.

This is the girl I had to travel pretty far to see and with whom I escalated very slowly.

Things died.

I feel pretty stupid for not escalating more on the first date. I know I compensated during the second date, but still, escalating earlier would have saved me TIME AND MONEY.

That's why you escalate BEFORE any date plans.

Her response to your escalation, should decide whether there are any date plans.

I think I've reached the conclusion that it's better to get a "not yet" than to do absolutely nothing.

Her "not yet" response to your attempt at physical, intimate escalation...should warrant a "not yet" response to her, for any nonsexual time she wants you.

Protect your non-sexual time with her, just as she is protecting her sexual time with you.

She is not the prize here. You are.

If a girl is genuinely interested, a calibrated "not yet" doesn't necessarily kill anything. She'll usually stay engaged and invest in building more comfort and spending more time with you. Obviously, this only applies if you're escalating in a socially calibrated way and not acting creepy, pushy, or desperate.

Nonsense.

Women don't tell guys that they are sexually attracted to "not yet".



If you think otherwise, then you've yet to experience high sexual attraction from a woman...which is the problem.

Things died because, remember, I had asked her about seeing each other again at night and told her I'd pay for an Airbnb?

Then, let things die.

You told her what the FUK you wanted to do...which is what you're SUPPOSED to do as a man.

She wasn't down for it.

So what?

Think about it..is a chick who ain't down for a night at an Airbnb worthy of your time?

No.

Move on and find the ones who are.

She answered my messages earlier in the week UNTIL I finally asked, "So what's up? Are we seeing each other this Saturday?"

She didn't even open the message.

Just ghosted me lol.

Live and learn.

Good. If she ain't down to fuk, then she need to be a ghost...as far as you're concerned.

Now onto girl #2, the hot one I originally met blindly and took to that Tim Burton event.

I asked her out last week. I was going to have either Friday or Saturday available, and she told me she could only do Friday, so we agreed on that.

I think we made the plans on Tuesday.

Then on Friday she sent me another message: "Hey, I'm really sorry. I'm not going to be able to make it. I'm arranging some things at the house I just got, and I'm going to be really busy."

So I answered something along the lines of: "Thanks for letting me know. I think it'll be better if we do things like we did last time. Let me know when you're available."

The reason I said that is because the first time I asked her out, she wasn't available either, but SHE was the one who actually suggested another time and invited me out later. So now I've basically let her know that the ball is in her court.

Messaging with this chick is kind of strange.

Sometimes she takes a long time to answer, occasionally a full day, and then other times she's extremely engaged. The important thing is that when she does answer, she usually contributes to the conversation. It's not just dry "yes/no" responses. She actually gives me something to work with.

So I think I'm going to play this one carefully and simply match her level of investment.

If she's interested and becomes more available, she knows she can ask me out or suggest another day.

Just when I think you're getting it...you do or say some stupid shiit to let me know "this guy still doesn't get it".

She has low interest in you, sir.

Newsflash: interest isn't something you have to say "if" about.

You will know that she is interested, based on her ACTIONS.

And if her actions ain't in harmony with yours, then guess what, she ain't interested.

It's just that simple.

This shiit ain't rocket science.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

^^Well, you can feel however you feel but IMO as a woman who isn't the 'town bicycle" nor into riding the 'c0ck carousel' and never was, if anything you lost the girl because of this:

Um, no.

You are wrong again, SG.

Being wrong all the damn time, just doesn't seem to bother you.

You are insinuating that just because a woman is receptive to Mode One, that she is promiscuous... which is a non sequitur.

It does not logically follow.

Just because a woman is receptive to Sam's Mode One, doesn't mean she'll be receptive to Frank's Mode One.

50 men could approach a woman with Mode One, and she may be receptive to only 5 of them...or even less.

So, as I said, you are wrong (as usual) here, and for you to keep misrepresenting the in's and outs of the philosophy...is disingenuous on your part.

As evidenced by the fact she ghosted you immediately after you made that comment.

Yeah, she ghosted him after that comment.

But what about the guys who DONT use Mode One, and are still getting their asses ghosted?

If you're gonna do Mode One as per ARC and a couple of members here, and are concerned about saving TIME and MONEY, that is totally fine, but be prepared to be shot down as not all women will be responsive to that, even when initially interested and attracted.

That line of reasoning would work, SG...if it weren't for the fact that guys are still being shot down, even without using Mode One.

You're making it seem as if guys who use Mode One are at some big disadvantage, when the vast majority of these simp-ass threads are from guys who are getting played without even using MO.

They aren't fairing any better than they would had they used MO.

I am going to requote a post from another thread as it is so freakin spot on and sadly many guys don't quite get:

Beta male type shiit.

There is no one size fits all. Every woman is different and will respond to different things.

Her response should be in harmony with his.

It is like dancing.

If I want to salsa, and she would rather breakdance instead of moving in alignment with me, then we aren't compatible.

She needs to follow his lead on the dance floor.

Pay attention and again learn to screen better once you figure out what it is you truly want.

Mode One is the ultimate screening.

You weed out all of the manipulators, time wasters, flakers, and attention wh0res.

And once you weed them out, all that's left is the ones that are highly interested in you.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@We_ArE_VeNOM

I am not getting into this with you again but have just one thing to say.

Why respond to me? Why not respond directly to the members who actually made the comments I agreed with? And tell them they're wrong?

My post was to the OP not you and I stand by what I wrote.

P.S. For a guy who screams ad nauseum to never give a chick attention before she f*cks you (which you have insinuated to me several times), you are demonstrating the exact opposite.

I have asked before, please stop.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@We_ArE_VeNOM

I am not getting into this with you again but have just one thing to say.

Why respond to me?

Because, I am the biggest Mode One advocate on this forum..and when it comes to dating and relationships, it is something that I am passionate about.

That said^, I refuse to sit back and allow something that I am passionate about, continue to be discredited and spoken down upon... ESPECIALLY if what is being said is inaccurate...as you are continuously on here making these false statements that goes beyond mere opinion.

Sure, we can have philosophical disagreements about it, but these false ass statements that don't reflect reality, will be put into .

Why not respond directly to the members who actually made the comments I agreed with? And tell them they're wrong?

I already had plenty of discussions/debates with folks about these subjects.

Anybody can get it.

My post was to the OP not you and I stand by what I wrote.

So do I.

P.S. For a guy who screams ad nauseum to never give a chick attention before she f*cks you (which you have insinuated to me several times), you are demonstrating the exact opposite.

Don't flatter yourself.

Me putting out the flames of falsehoods and misconceptions, is not what I meant by "no free attention".

I have asked before, please stop.

If it weren't for your garbage spewing about Mode One, I wouldn't have anything to say to you...miss lady.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Venom, I guess I am getting into this after all cause I don't like being misrepresented and dislike leaving things on a negative note.

So you refer to my opinion as "garbage spewing" which is fine I take no offense.

But please explain to me how what I posted below:

Learn to screen better for girls who may be more receptive to Mode One IF that's truly what you're going for and choose wisely.

...is any different from what you posted below (which I actually agree with) which if you had read and interpreted my post correctly, you would have understood.

50 men could approach a woman with Mode One, and she may be receptive to only 5 of them...or even less.

I have told you many many times I do not disagree with Mode One, I don't know how many times I need to say it.

What I have said is not all women will be receptive to it (which you yourself just affirmed), whether it's because she is not sexually attracted, religious reasons or another reason. It's never as black and white as you make it out to be. IMO and many others.

If you want to disagree with that, again fine, I have no issue with it.

But to call my opinion "garbage spewing" is not only rude but quite debasing.

Just because we disagree on some things, there is no need to be insulting, I have never insulted you.

I vote we agree to disagree on some issues and leave it at that.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Venom, I guess I am getting into this after all cause I don't like being misrepresented and dislike leaving things on a negative note.

Respect.

So you refer to my opinion as "garbage spewing" which is fine I take no offense.

When you make inaccurate statements, then yes, I refer to it as garbage.

But please explain to me how what I posted below:

...is any different from what you posted below (which I actually agree with) which if you had read and interpreted my post correctly, you would have understood.

I have told you many many times I do not disagree with Mode One, I don't know how many times I need to say it.

That's what you say.

Your supposed agreement, doesn't align with the misgivings which I've seen you express.

What I have said is not all women will be receptive to it (which you yourself just affirmed)

Yeah, no shiit Sherlock.

Not all women will be receptive to any given method.

Tell us something we don't know.

, whether it's because she is not sexually attracted, religious reasons or another reason. It's never as black and white as you make it out to be. IMO and many others.

Ok...and regardless of the reason as to why she ain't receptive..it all comes back to incompatibility.

If she ain't receptive to his program, then the two are incompatible and the search for compatibility continues.

If you want to disagree with that, again fine, I have no issue with it.

But to call my opinion "garbage spewing" is not only rude but quite debasing.

Just because we disagree on some things, there is no need to be insulting, I have never insulted you.

I vote we agree to disagree on some issues and leave it at that.

Again...

If your assessments, POV's, or advice is based upon false/inaccurate information...and you are spreading this false information to others, then you are indeed spewing GARBAGE.

Plain and simple.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Your supposed agreement, doesn't align with the misgivings which I've seen you express.

^^Oh you mean like when I have said time and time again how much I appreciate Mode One as it saves me time and effort just as it saves the man time and effort AND money?

Which you agreed with! LOL

Anyway nuff said. We have both said our piece. Time to move on.

Ciao baby!

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

^^Oh you mean like when I have said time and time again how much I appreciate Mode One as it saves me time and effort just as it saves the man time and effort AND money?

Which you agreed with! LOL

Anyway nuff said. We have both said our piece. Time to move on.

Ciao baby!

I'm not talking about that^, obviously.

I specifically stated the issue that I had with what you said.

And instead of addressing my issue, you're choosing to focus on shiit that we actually agree on, which is completely irrelevant to what my beef actually is.

You seem to have a bad habit of responding to the most irrelevant part of an entire post, while ignoring the important part...which is wild.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

^^Well, you can feel however you feel but IMO as a woman who isn't the 'town bicycle" nor into riding the 'c0ck carousel' and never was, if anything you lost the girl because of this:



As evidenced by the fact she ghosted you immediately after you made that comment.

If you're gonna do Mode One as per ARC and a couple of members here, and are concerned about saving TIME and MONEY, that is totally fine, but be prepared to be shot down as not all women will be responsive to that, even when initially interested and attracted.

I am going to requote a post from another thread as it is so freakin spot on and sadly many guys don't quite get:



Learn to screen better for girls who may be more receptive to Mode One IF that's truly what you're going for and choose wisely.

Sorry that one didn't work out man.

P.S. I could be wrong but I have a sense you don't really know what you're doing quite yet (which is okay this shyt takes time to learn) and simply throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

There is no one size fits all. Every woman is different and will respond to different things.

Pay attention and again learn to screen better once you figure out what it is you truly want.

Hey thanks for your advice. It's not that I was planning to **** her that night, if it happens it happens. I genuinely wanted to go out at night with her and have fun. Yes, maybe invite her to the place I was going to stay and see how things go. We could just hand around, watch something and leave it there, I would try to escalate and see where things go. Maybe that triggered her, or the other dude that appeared, who knows. I think I was conveying to be pretty chill, but well, who tf knows.

It's not that I'm going for Mode One method and I want to exclusively screen girls for that (nothing wrong with it), but for me the vibe was already leaning towards something more intimate and fun. I also mentioned the Airbnb to solve the logistic issue of where I was going to stay.

What I want to do is screen girls for a possible future LTR. What is complicating things for me now is that I have to escalate, but I don't know if chicks are different in terms of what they are comfortable with and the pace with which I take things. Not because I want to **** on the third date means I'm going to dump them, or a "checklist" I crossed. I think I mainly escalate because it's what I want to do, I get a "gut feeling" to do it and then calibrate from there.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

Hi, friends.

This past week I went out on two dates. For the sake of continuity, they shall be Girl 6 and Girl 7. I met both of them on Tinder, BTW.
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Girl 6 (25 YO) — Kiss close
I think I matched with her on Sunday. We texted a little bit, but I've learned to pace myself with texting unless the situation calls for something different. I usually just focus on my hobbies or whatever I'm working on or enjoying at the moment, and then answer when I have time.

On Thursday, I think, we were texting and I went through my usual routine before asking for her number: "So, what do you like to do for fun?" That usually gives me some information I can use to figure out whether we have similar interests or ideas of what makes a good time. If we do, I suggest going out, ask for her number, and then confirm the date. This time, however, things went a little differently. She answered, "I'm available now if you are." I've learned that sometimes you have to strike while the iron is hot, so I said, "Yeah, sure. I'm actually free at the moment. Let's go out." I got her number, picked her up, and we went to a pub.

The conversation and escalation went really well, and by the end of the night we were making out. Since I'm trying to put myself out there more, I asked, "So, how much time do you have left?" She told me, "Not much. I have to be home by 23:30. Why?" "To continue drinking, but that's okay. We can leave it for another time." Of course, I was basically seeing whether she'd be open to coming back to my place and letting things develop from there.

I dropped her off at home, we kissed goodbye, and the next day she texted me saying she'd had a wonderful time and hoped to see me again.

This, combined with some of the feedback I've been getting, is a little confusing to me. It's not that I'm specifically trying to have sex on the first date. What I want is to communicate that I'm interested in moving things forward. That's all. If something happens, cool. If it doesn't, that's completely fine too. I'm leaning toward taking more risks, even if it means getting rejected sometimes, rather than just sitting there like a mannequin and never making a move.

What I'm still trying to figure out is whether women might interpret that the wrong way and assume I'm only interested in sex, which isn't the case. Like I said, I mainly want to communicate that I'm attracted to them and willing to take the risk of moving things forward. If she says, "Not yet," but still seems comfortable and interested, that's perfectly fine with me.

Anyway, I'll probably take this girl out again.

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Girl 7 (31 YO) — Kiss rejection
Again, I met her on Tinder and asked her out using basically the same approach I described above.

She seemed cute with big boobs, and I was attracted to her.

We went to a museum downtown and then walked through an area with art and antiques. It was actually pretty fun. The conversation flowed nicely. This girl was genuinely funny and managed to make me laugh several times with her teasing and jokes. I started some light physical contact with brief, playful touches on her arm, fingers, shoulder, and back. When we left the museum, she also started touching me here and there.

Part of my plan, because I'm usually the one planning the dates, was to grab a beer afterward at a place I'd been wanting to check out. It was within walking distance, so we headed over there.

At the new place, she initially chose a table that kind of sucked. The music made it difficult for me to hear her, and logistically it was also going to be difficult to create a more intimate vibe because she would be sitting directly across from me. I solved that by asking if we could move to another table. She agreed, and this time I sat next to her.

We ordered a couple of beers and started talking.

At first, she began asking more about what I do. She basically said, "Okay, so what exactly do you do at your job?" I don't particularly enjoy talking about work on dates, but I figured she might have been trying to get to know me better and build some comfort, so I explained what I do and asked her about her job as well. After that somewhat "boring" part of the conversation, I steered things back toward more playful topics, which also gave me opportunities to continue some light touching. My knee, for example, was touching her leg. When she showed me things on her phone, she seemed perfectly comfortable with me standing or sitting close to her. Nothing about her body language suggested that she was uncomfortable.

When I paid the check and we stood up to leave, I pulled her toward me and went for the kiss. She pulled away. I think she said something along the lines of "Wait," although I honestly don't remember exactly what she said. I didn't make a big deal out of it. My reaction was basically, "Okay, no problem." What surprised me was that her body language didn't really change afterward. She didn't do anything that made me think she suddenly felt uncomfortable, and the conversation continued flowing pretty well. We were still joking and talking normally all the way until I dropped her off at her car.

When we said goodbye, we hugged and kissed on the cheek. She told me, "It was really fun. We have to go out again and discover some new places. Please let me know when you get home." I told her, "Yeah, no problem."

While I was walking toward my car, which was parked somewhere else, I took a small detour to see whether there was anyone else around I might be interested (sexually) in talking to. No luck.

Apparently, she drove really ****ing fast, though, because by the time I was paying for my parking, I got a message from her: "Hey, I'm home. What about you? Everything all right?" I answered, "What the hell? Are you Toretto or something? You got home while I was still paying for parking. But yeah, everything's fine. I'm home."

She answered my joke with another joke of her own, lol.

So... about this woman, I don't really know what to think.

This is basically my first time experiencing this particular situation. I have experience with not going for the kiss at all because I chickened out. I have experience going for it and having it go well. And I've had situations where I went for the kiss, got rejected, things immediately became awkward for both of us, and we just let the interaction die afterward.

But this time I got rejected, and everything still seemed to flow normally afterward? I don't have a problem investing more time or money into another date. What I don't want is to fall into a frame where I'm repeatedly inviting her out because I'm trying to somehow "convince" her to eventually let me kiss her and she is the "guardian" of the goods.

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a nice week, y'all.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

Good. If she ain't down to fuk, then she need to be a ghost...as far as you're concerned.



Just when I think you're getting it...you do or say some stupid shiit to let me know "this guy still doesn't get it".

She has low interest in you, sir.

Newsflash: interest isn't something you have to say "if" about.

You will know that she is interested, based on her ACTIONS.

And if her actions ain't in harmony with yours, then guess what, she ain't interested.

It's just that simple.

This shiit ain't rocket science.

Hey mate, I have a question here. What happens when a girl is INTERESTED in you, but for a personal reason (not to be taken as a slut, her own prejudices, etc.) says NOT YET. That happened to me with the girl I actually have the LR. The first time I took her to my place it was a NOT YET, but she kept engaged in the conversation and she kept saying yes to other things, until finally we had sex, being patient and chill was key. I'm not sure with what you explain, how you tackle those nuances. My culture is more "conservative" in a way than that for example of a European country. I don't know if the differentiator is that she keeps saying YES to other things (including making out).

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Hey mate, I have a question here. What happens when a girl is INTERESTED in you, but for a personal reason (not to be taken as a slut, her own prejudices, etc.) says NOT YET. That happened to me with the girl I actually have the LR. The first time I took her to my place it was a NOT YET, but she kept engaged in the conversation and she kept saying yes to other things, until finally we had sex, being patient and chill was key. I'm not sure with what you explain, how you tackle those nuances. My culture is more "conservative" in a way than that for example of a European country. I don't know if the differentiator is that she keeps saying YES to other things (including making out).

If she says "not yet" to sex (intercourse), yet she is still willing to engage in other making out activities with you...and she has no expectation of any financial (or other resources) gain in the meantime; then yes, that is a positive.

Go for it .

Who knows, she may be on her period at the time...or she might be waiting on an STD to clear up (it happens).

But this^ is all in contrast to guys who are told "not yet", while still investing time and money on women of whom they haven't even kissed yet.

That is what you don't want to do.

 

[ivlvs_veridivs]

If she says "not yet" to sex (intercourse), yet she is still willing to engage in other making out activities with you...and she has no expectation of any financial (or other resources) gain in the meantime; then yes, that is a positive.

Go for it .

Who knows, she may be on her period at the time...or she might be waiting on an STD to clear up (it happens).

But this^ is all in contrast to guys who are told "not yet", while still investing time and money on women of whom they haven't even kissed yet.

That is what you don't want to do.

Thanks, that clarifies things a lot. By the way I have the book mode one by Alan Roger. Is that the one you read?