Does what you drive matter?

[SW15]

Exactly, Rodgers was most likely placing too much emphasis on the car he drove and thinking it was his gate pass to poon. He didn’t realize the vehicle is only a part of the whole package and some of his personal aspects were actually a negative…

A BMW 3 Series is a good car, but it's not going to make up for personality defects. I don't even think a Ferrari could have worked the magic for him.

For a 3 Series to work on 20s/30s collegiate and post collegiate big city women, it would need to be combined with a good physique and some adequate social skills. Having a 3 Series and a nice body will reduce the about of charisma needed to get poon, but it doesn't entirely eliminate it.

I know a guy who bought a 3 Series when it just came off a 3 year lease. He had been with his girlfriend who was in her mid-20s at the time for about 2.5 years. At her peak, she was about a 6.5-7 on most people's rating scales. The relationship was getting stale at the time and it could have gone either way. The two of them stayed together, and the 3 Series played a part in retaining that woman, as he was upgrading from an undistinguished car to it.

Side discussion: does driving a car with a manual transmission make you more attractive/manlier?

I'm not sure that manuals are as appreciated any more. Starting in the Millennial generation (early 1980s-mid-1990s births), many new drivers didn't ever learn to drive a manual. Gen Z (late 1990s-early 2010s) will be even less likely to learn how to drive a manual. Since 2010, less than 5% of newer cars sold have had manual transmissions. Manual transmissions are fading out. I think a woman might find it cool if a man drives a manual transmission. A lot of the sports cars now are automatic transmission. We were talking about the 3 Series above. In the E30 generation of 3 Series models (early 1980s-early 1990s), which most considered the peak of the 3 Series, a good portion of 3 Series' had manuals. Now, very few 3 Series models have it.

 

[Visionist]

One time I was exploring the coast and happened across this long causeway leading to an island. Cars were parked all along one side meaning only one car could pass.



I start down the causeway and almost instantly a Fiat Punto appears ahead with a woman in it. I stop the Z4 and stare her down. After a minute or so she starts reversing to let me through. She must have reversed half a mile. I followed her in the Bimmer.

When we reached the island she turned aside to let me pass. I smirked and blew her a slow kiss. She did not look amused.

 

[Pumax]

I don't want my answer to be influenced by them.

What you drive matters to some girls, not to others.

Sorry to bring up this old topic.
But there's nothing old here, if I may say so.
A truly timely topic. And it will always remain so, as long as we are allowed to own cars and drive them ourselves.

That said.
I've driven different cars.
And the things I noticed were that when I drove cars that you could perceive as having more status or luxury, like BMWs, Audis, Mercedes, then women were much more interested in me.

So I put myself in the woman's mind.
Imagine: a woman sees a well-dressed, well-groomed, muscular guy arrive in a Fiat Panda. She says, "Okay, a nice guy."
The same woman sees the same guy arrive on a BMX bike. She says, "Okay, he's a nice guy, he seems very well-groomed, definitely very competent, he even has a certain importance."

It's a very different process.
We really can't deny the fact that the car we're driving/owning will attribute qualities to the person they don't possess.

Why would an Audi attribute competence, status, and power to me, when in reality I work at the local grocery store?
Why would a Fiat Panda attribute carelessness, incompetence, and powerlessness to me, when in reality I'm the mayor of the city, I'm competent, and I care about myself and others?

Can we do something about it?
We men, yes. We can work on it, and eventually drive our Fiat Panda with confidence and carelessness.
But we still live in a social world, and not everyone has done the work.

Even the most talented woman, who has done the work on herself, will end up making the same arguments!
It's simply something we can't do without.
Even the best woman is a little gold digger inside.

I'd love to hear your opinions.

 

[Bigpapa]

Sorry to bring up this old topic.
But there's nothing old here, if I may say so.
A truly timely topic. And it will always remain so, as long as we are allowed to own cars and drive them ourselves.

That said.
I've driven different cars.
And the things I noticed were that when I drove cars that you could perceive as having more status or luxury, like BMWs, Audis, Mercedes, then women were much more interested in me.

So I put myself in the woman's mind.
Imagine: a woman sees a well-dressed, well-groomed, muscular guy arrive in a Fiat Panda. She says, "Okay, a nice guy."
The same woman sees the same guy arrive on a BMX bike. She says, "Okay, he's a nice guy, he seems very well-groomed, definitely very competent, he even has a certain importance."

It's a very different process.
We really can't deny the fact that the car we're driving/owning will attribute qualities to the person they don't possess.

Why would an Audi attribute competence, status, and power to me, when in reality I work at the local grocery store?
Why would a Fiat Panda attribute carelessness, incompetence, and powerlessness to me, when in reality I'm the mayor of the city, I'm competent, and I care about myself and others?

Can we do something about it?
We men, yes. We can work on it, and eventually drive our Fiat Panda with confidence and carelessness.
But we still live in a social world, and not everyone has done the work.

Even the most talented woman, who has done the work on herself, will end up making the same arguments!
It's simply something we can't do without.
Even the best woman is a little gold digger inside.

I'd love to hear your opinions.

You do have a point, but most of the attraction happens before the girl knows what you are driving, where do you live, etc

basically attraction is prior to the status symbols like the car in your example

if she is not sure about you, yeah then a status symbol might help if you manage to get her out on a date ( usually it does not happen though ) , but if she is attracted to you it does not really matter

for LTR, then these status symbols become more and more important, but if attraction is high it does not really matter if you have or not status symbols

 

[CornbreadFed]

An expensive car is social proof of status, polish, excitement, or adventurousness. You don't need that particular signal, but if you remove it, you need to communicate attractive qualities elsewhere. The struggling guy isn't struggling because he drives a Corolla. He's struggling because the Corolla may be one piece of an otherwise unremarkable, excessively risk-averse, boring & unattractive lifestyle.

 

[BaronOfHair]

If reliably getting around town is chief among your priorities.... Yeah

 

[Pumax]

but most of the attraction happens before the girl knows what you are driving, where do you live, etc

How can women be "attracted" to a boy if attraction is simply a response to a feeling?

I mean, she's attracted to John not because he's the most handsome boy in the class.
But because he's the most handsome of all the men, and he's the best she can get. That's the feeling.

She's attracted to Claude not because he's handsome, but because he has the most status in her circle.
Do you know what I mean?

Women are attracted to men based on feelings, which almost always come from status, money, beauty, etc.

The struggling guy isn't struggling because he drives a Corolla. He's struggling because the Corolla may be one piece of an otherwise unremarkable, excessively risk-averse, boring & unattractive lifestyle.

And this confirm what i wrote above, it's just a sensation

 

[Bigpapa]

How can women be "attracted" to a boy if attraction is simply a response to a feeling?

I mean, she's attracted to John not because he's the most handsome boy in the class.
But because he's the most handsome of all the men, and he's the best she can get. That's the feeling.

She's attracted to Claude not because he's handsome, but because he has the most status in her circle.
Do you know what I mean?

Women are attracted to men based on feelings, which almost always come from status, money, beauty, etc.

And this confirm what i wrote above, it's just a sensation

More is not necessarily better

LMS is more about helping you to put a foot in the door rather than helping you from that moment on

The problem that most guys have is not lms, but more that not even other guys would want to spend time with them for whatever reason

quite sure that you met guys whom are super good looking but they are narcissistic and boring , or guys super succesful that only want to show off

Basically on paper you are strong but the vibe you have is off so they cancel each other off

attraction =physical attraction + vibe attraction

that is why for example pua knowledge says that Physical attraction is not that important because they know that if the vibe attraction is strong enough you can still succeed

But if the physical attraction is strong and the vibe attraction is strong, thar’s when women start getting infatuated