Women that chase men

[Pumax]

Do you guys think that women that chase or show interest to men, like declaring themselves, are the bad/toxic ones?

I mean if a woman want a man, but the man struggle to understand or doesnt care, so she does a major "interest show off" like directlt declaring herself or inviting him out, does that mean women like that are bad or toxic?

 

[Prepostereax]

Women show "interest" in a different way to men, ie it's indirect and plausibly deniable.
What a woman considers as wide open flirting, is often invisible to men.

And they do it often, partly because it can take a while for the average guy to get the hint, and partly because it could be just for fun or practice.
ie in most cases, women are outcome independent, if the dude doesn't reciprocate, then it was just a bit of harmless fun.


Here you are basically asking if they make unmistakable DTF messages?

Do you guys think that women that chase or show interest to men, like declaring themselves, are the bad/toxic ones?

I mean if a woman want a man, but the man struggle to understand or doesnt care, so she does a major "interest show off" like directlt declaring herself or inviting him out, does that mean women like that are bad or toxic?

Not necessarily, but even when a woman desperately wants a man, she wants him to want her, enough that he does at least some of the pursuing

That's why they put in so much effort beforehand, to make themselves the prettiest flower they can be.

I can't remember who posted this, I think it was catsmeow, so I'll paraphrase
"If I was in the same room as Chris Hemsworth, but his expression towards me is 'meh', my opinion and desire for him would plummet"

When women "skip the bs", it's generally because

* they've swallowed dozens of d!cks already
* they're budding boss babes
* their perceived smv is lower than your perceived smv
* under the influence of alcohol and/or party drugs
* spurred on by their bestie (usually in combination with the above 2)
* some darker reason eg make another dude jealous, steal your wallet/kidneys
* could also be because you gave off non-verbal signals which she interpreted, correctly or not, as an approach (eg dancing with her)
* or her "invitation to go out" isn't actually a DTF pronouncement, it's because she sees you as a girlfriend or gay bestie, and all she really wants from you is to gossip over coffee

If you're just after a ONS, a woman making the first move is welcome (assuming she passes your boner test)
If you want something more substantial, tread with caution

 

[Velasco]

"If I was in the same room as Chris Hemsworth, but his expression towards me is 'meh', my opinion and desire for him would plummet"

takes me back to my early mystery method days. where i tried to hide my interest until i saw an obvious indicator of interest. like if they didn’t make an effort to come talk to me, despite that fact that i could tell they were interested subconsciously, i wouldn’t make a move and they would interpret that as disinterest from me, and then they’d lose interest lol

 

[Velasco]

Chris Hemsworth is attractive for sure but if he acted "meh" towards me, I'd walk away and focus on other men who didn't act meh towards me and were interested

do u know what plummet means? hint: not go up lol

 

[Sega Genesis]

do u know what plummet means? hint: not go up lol

Lol ok my bad I feel silly now. Thanks for correcting me, appreciate it. I guess I've been conditioned to expect the worst when it comes to catsmeow, obviously I wasn't thinking! Lol

I'm gonna delete my post.

 

[BeExcellent]

Men are hunters. Think about that. Hunting requires effort, tactics, stealth to catch prey.

If the prey comes and lays down before you saying "Pick me!" "Pick me!!" it is defective.

Like might have rabies defective...

Caveat emptor gentlemen.

 

[Gamisch]

Ime women will definitely show interest. Especially when you knock her of her socks by just being in her presence.

She might not straight up tell it immediately, but as time goes on she will be more and more bold about it. ..matter of fact ( and I'd like to hear the ladies @BeExcellent and @Sega Genesis opinion) ,most women have enough options and especially knowledge about their specific taste to determine a " fitting prospect " is close by. And when a man qualified, she won't mind putting in effort to rail him in...

So yes gents, the trick is to be(come) that guy. The man who will have women behave completely different than she does around other men. If you build yourself up you will notice that women will indeed chase YOU, albeit subtle and covertly but yet allowing you as a man to push things further and further.

 

[Bigpapa]

takes me back to my early mystery method days. where i tried to hide my interest until i saw an obvious indicator of interest. like if they didn’t make an effort to come talk to me, despite that fact that i could tell they were interested subconsciously, i wouldn’t make a move and they would interpret that as disinterest from me, and then they’d lose interest lol

I think that only showing mild interest at best to a girl that has high self esteem / has a more traditional view of the courtship phase, would not really make her auto reject

and I also feel the mystery method made more sense in the early 2000s, as women overall I feel that they had more self esteem / viewed the courtship more from a traditional angle, than they do now

I do not think that the mystery method was necessarily flawed, but more calibrated to the culture / expectation back then

Recently I spent a lot of time plunging Eastern European women ( former Soviet Union space ), and I noticed that if I show interest more than mildly then it would be very difficult to seduce them, as if I would push they would pull back with the same force

I think the spike in auto - rejection, especially in the developed countries, is highly correlated to the high anxiety that both men and women have in general

 

[Solomon]

Women show "interest" in a different way to men, ie it's indirect and plausibly deniable.
What a woman considers as wide open flirting, is often invisible to men.

And they do it often, partly because it can take a while for the average guy to get the hint, and partly because it could be just for fun or practice.
ie in most cases, women are outcome independent, if the dude doesn't reciprocate, then it was just a bit of harmless fun.


Here you are basically asking if they make unmistakable DTF messages?


Not necessarily, but even when a woman desperately wants a man, she wants him to want her, enough that he does at least some of the pursuing

That's why they put in so much effort beforehand, to make themselves the prettiest flower they can be.

I can't remember who posted this, I think it was catsmeow, so I'll paraphrase
"If I was in the same room as Chris Hemsworth, but his expression towards me is 'meh', my opinion and desire for him would plummet"

When women "skip the bs", it's generally because

* they've swallowed dozens of d!cks already
* they're budding boss babes
* their perceived smv is lower than your perceived smv
* under the influence of alcohol and/or party drugs
* spurred on by their bestie (usually in combination with the above 2)
* some darker reason eg make another dude jealous, steal your wallet/kidneys
* could also be because you gave off non-verbal signals which she interpreted, correctly or not, as an approach (eg dancing with her)
* or her "invitation to go out" isn't actually a DTF pronouncement, it's because she sees you as a girlfriend or gay bestie, and all she really wants from you is to gossip over coffee

If you're just after a ONS, a woman making the first move is welcome (assuming she passes your boner test)
If you want something more substantial, tread with caution

Or if a woman is truly attracted to you sexually and physically, that is part of the red pill Chad Obsession. Women who are sexually attracted to you make it easier, especially if they just want to hook up or get smashed by you right away.

Most men will seldom or never experience this and cannot fathom a woman just wanting to come home with you for the night after the club or come straight to your house and skip a formal date if you meet on online dating.Most men are brainwashed to believe you have to jump through all these hoops to get a hookup, and it is true to an extent, but if she is attracted to you she will break her own rules. This has been an eye opener to most men who I would say are not sexually desirable and thus has caused a culture shock on social media of sorts.

 

[Bigpapa]

Most men will seldom or never experience this and cannot fathom a woman just wanting to come home with you for the night after the club or come straight to your house and skip a formal date if you meet on online dating.

Yeah, if you punch way lower than your smv you can get this experience

but what is the point of it?

most of the guys will not punch it that low bellow their smv because it ain’t worth it

I think that the obsession of men with the guy that women will just throw themselves to him that aggressively is mainly just an obsession, because guys rarely will play forward with a girl where is a big gap in terms of smv

 

[Hal9000]

Depends on how you define "chase or show interest" because its gonna be hard to match up with any woman without her showing interest at some point. Now it can definitely be too over the top to the point of seeming desperate or stalkery for sure,but a woman sending clear signals of interest in ways we've discussed here ad nauseum are always much appreciated IMO.

 

[BeExcellent]

Firstly I agree with @Solomon about sexually desirable men. My husband has had that experience many times where an attractive girl propositioned him at the end of the night at a club (for example)....and walks up and says "I'm going where you are going...." Getting sex was super easy for him, but sex ain't the whole enchilada.

Most men will never experience that.

My husband, similar to the male model I dated before I married my first husband, felt used at times for just sex because he's really hot. That's fine for a time but it gets old. He and the model both wanted to be with a woman who liked & loved him as an individual, not just a pretty face or a trophy. That is what beautiful women experience, most men have no idea what that is like.

The night I met the model he was literally surrounded by six (6) dolled up attractive women who were literally vying for his attention. He saw me & waved me over, but I laughed and told him that he was busy. Then I walked outside the club to cool off. Two minutes later he approaches me outside. Walks right up and says "I want to talk to you...." I said "well, I don't compete with an entourage," to which he said, "you're who I want to meet, I don't care about those girls....."

Women hit on him constantly. Women hit on my husband too, at times they do not care that he is with someone, although that has improved greatly since he put a ring on my finger (and his). So being seen as a piece of meat can feel hollow to men too.....but so few men experience that - that only a tiny percent of guys can relate.

 

[Bigpapa]

The night I met the model he was literally surrounded by six (6) dolled up attractive women who were literally vying for his attention.

but so few men experience that - that only a tiny percent of guys can relate.

quite sure than even prime Cristiano Ronaldo or any other very good looking elite athlete in his prime, did not experienced being surrounded by 6 dolled up attractive women vying for his attention in a club or any other place

guess that’s why these athletes all the time get into sex scandals with escorts, they just get tired of being surrounded by women vying for their attention, and figure out that makes more sense to pay some escorts

 

[BeExcellent]

And I disagree with @Gamisch here too. I honestly never gave what you guys around here call IOIs. I just went out and was cool to people. If someone smiled at me, I'd smile back, but I NEVER approached men. If I was curios I'd look, or observe, but I was also looking at the whole scene.

Men had to approach me. They had to make it obvious. And guess what? They did. Very good looking men did this. Even my husband, who thought I was married because I had a big flashy ring on my ring finger, and because I arrived at the venue with a date, orchestrated the opportunity to gain proximity at the venue where we were right next to each other...and then he was awkwardly staring (he had been staring at me since I arrived), so to break the awkward silence I said "How's your night going?".

And he took that opportunity to chat me up. But I would have broken that awkwardness with anyone, just in being cool. I realized immediately in that moment that my husband was awkward much more than arrogant, and he was interested in me. He observed my ring and commented that my husband was a lucky man, and of course that gave me the opportunity to say I was not married, I liked my blingy ring & it was a useful deterrent for unwanted attention...and he got my contact info later that night, asked me out without chit chat the next morning, and kept asking me out after that.

All I had to do was say "Yes".

So I did not go around broadcasting IOIs. I never did that. But I was always open, observant & paying attention, although sometimes men I hadn't noticed were noticing me. That happened all the time too.

 

[BeExcellent]

quite sure than even prime Cristiano Ronaldo or any other very good looking elite athlete in his prime, did not experienced being surrounded by 6 dolled up attractive women vying for his attention in a club or any other place

guess that’s why these athletes all the time get into sex scandals with escorts, they just get tired of being surrounded by women vying for their attention, and figure out that makes more sense to pay some escorts

I guarantee you Christiano Ronaldo absolutely would have gaggles of women vying for his attention, DUH.

He is top tier handsome, in top physical condition, and is a globally famous celebrity and athlete. Women would fall all over themselves for him like Elvis.

The problem is the objectification. With an escort its a transaction. You aren't the girl's trophy, she knows why she is there & you aren't dealing with a fan's BS.

If you had a clue you'd understand this. It's easier to deal with for some men.

 

[Bigpapa]

I guarantee you Christiano Ronaldo absolutely would have gaggles of women vying for his attention, DUH.

Then how come the paparazzi never caught him or any other elite athletes in these type of situations where they are surrounded by 6 beautiful women , but caught them when arguing with their gf / wives or have pictures from the escort sex scandals?

me personally I never saw any guy having 6 beautiful women around him vying for his attention

Yes, I saw enough situations when a decent amount of girls from a club / bar / etc would give iois to a guy / guys . But this situation is totally different than women basically surrounding a guy and competing directly for a guy attention

I also saw enough situations where there would be a small group of men surrounded by a big number of women, but these are paid girls to sit at a table ( one way or the other ) and they rarely actually talk with the guys. This is a tactic that clubs for example employ to make guys spend a lot of money

 

[Velasco]

women basically surrounding a guy and competing directly for a guy attention

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it happens mostly at night time. near or inside bars. during the day, if ur really attractive they are just too nervous. and why u have to pay more attention to subtle iois instead

 

[Bigpapa]

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it happens mostly at night time. near or inside bars. during the day, if ur really attractive they are just too nervous. and why u have to pay more attention to subtle iois instead

Yeah, but this is different and it does not have a sexual charge . It is more like, cool that I met this guy that is a star or something, but nothing more than that

Quite sure that there are a bunch of guys that acted the same like the girls, this does not mean that the guys want to f8ck him