“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Feel Free To Criticize My Texting Game

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https:/ /imgur.com/a/random-tinder-convos-QA9bXde
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The three principles of texting are

1. reciprocate interest level
2. lead the conversation in the direction of a meetup
3. increase interest
You're missing screening. PIggybacking on @BackInTheGame78's post, you will want to disqualify women who set up disqualification traps for you (if there is a string of them rather than just 1 or maybe 2). When you get a state of abundance you can do this. Until then, you will want to have practice dealing with their traps (and passing them if they don't piss you off too much) because most women will at least do this to some extent.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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You're missing screening. PIggybacking on @BackInTheGame78's post, you will want to disqualify women who set up disqualification traps for you (if there is a string of them rather than just 1 or maybe 2). When you get a state of abundance you can do this. Until then, you will want to have practice dealing with their traps (and passing them if they don't piss you off too much) because most women will at least do this to some extent.
You'd have to disqualify all of them then. Because they all have them, whether you see them or not.
 

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You'd have to disqualify all of them then. Because they all have them, whether you see them or not.
Sure, over the course of a normal interaction. Some women will bait you into sex talk and dq you if you mirror them, or ask if you if you're a homeowner off the bat in the first 3-5 messages. There are levels to this.

OP needs to get a feel for this, the obvious traps should be noted as used as dq filters by the guy if they are excessive.
 

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Alright let's do it

That's your problem. Trying to make sense of everything logically is childish.
Bvllsh**. Trying to make sense of something logically is taking ownership. If you want childishness then accept notions of faith.

You've constructed an alternative version in masculinity in your head that isn't getting you ****ed. The challenge ahead of you is to move forward from that and into a more ... Sexually productive version of your identity.
Masculinity = effectiveness. Integration using logic and reasoning ---> effectiveness.

"Logic is a means to identify reality." This is factually incorrect. Logic verifies reality, intuition identifies it. And you know what? The verifier in sexual courtship is the woman, not you. Your job is to identify what she wants and give it to her.
This is absolute epistemological bvllsh**. Reality is an abstraction and requires logical reasoning to identify it. Using analogy is a product of consciousness (language) which allows integration for abstraction. Thinking + consciousness = integration with reality.


You would be surprised how much of science and logical decision making is in fact powered by emotional processing, and that logic itself is incomplete at a mathematical level too. There's a reason the brain works by analogy and correlation first, you just don't understand it.
Epistemological bvllsh**. Actually I do understand it very well; I wrote a book on it. Working by analogy is consciousness, not thinking. Emotions motivate but are not proper substitutes for thinking.

"logic itself is incomplete at a mathematical level too"

This sounds like a derivative of Kant. Mathematics is a language of logic. Just because something is not well understood doesn't invalidate logical reasoning.

Obviously just afraid to get sexual since he doesn't believe in himself.
Instead of using playful affect with mature content (disingenuous, boring), why don't you follow BPH's advice and use mature affect with playful content (authentic, mysterious, exciting)?

The answer is because you are unfamiliar with the domain and afraid to exit your comfort zone. When you are ready to do that, or even better, excited by the idea - then you will stop putting it off, and start being magnetic for women. Because they're looking for the same thing, but from a man.
If I've done it before then I don't see why I couldn't to do it again. It's been so long I've forgotten how to. I already have it within me I just need to practice it.
 

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Hi again Plinco! :)

Bvllsh**. Trying to make sense of something logically is taking ownership. If you want childishness then accept notions of faith.
I'll go ahead and remark that you seem to have quite a lot of faith in your views, despite them being logically incorrect.

I'll also remind you that women find faith/self assurance extremely sexy. Perhaps they're on to something, who knows?

Masculinity = effectiveness. Integration using logic and reasoning ---> effectiveness.
I'd argue (and so would every woman) that successful outcomes = effectiveness. Whether you reason your way into it, use violence, or whatever else is completely irrelevant. "By hook or by crook", as both mathematicians and Don Juan's say. Besides, it's not like women can verify your reasoning, right? You're judged exclusively by perceived outcomes.

This is absolute epistemological bvllsh**. Reality is an abstraction and requires logical reasoning to identify it. Using analogy is a product of consciousness (language) which allows integration for abstraction. Thinking + consciousness = integration with reality.
Did you really just complain about epistemological bs in the same breath as stating that reality is an abstraction?

By your own metric only humans are integrated with reality. What the f are animals up to, living in a fairy tale?

Anyways, back to facts: scientific discoveries are VERIFIED by logic and the scientific method. Coming up with them, the proverbial "Eureka!" moment, is in fact an intuitive process. Is this really that controversial for you?

Epistemological bvllsh**. Actually I do understand it very well; I wrote a book on it. Working by analogy is consciousness, not thinking. Emotions motivate but are not proper substitutes for thinking.

"logic itself is incomplete at a mathematical level too"

This sounds like a derivative of Kant. Mathematics is a language of logic. Just because something is not well understood doesn't invalidate logical reasoning.
I am not sure what you're talking about, to be honest, so I'll just leave you with a hard proof and say QED. I'd be interested in your ideas/book though since I also dabble in this stuff (I'm an engineer working in the AI space at a Mag7 tech company, so bear with me if I'm not familiar with all of the pure philosophy).

If I've done it before then I don't see why I couldn't to do it again. It's been so long I've forgotten how to. I already have it within me I just need to practice it.
I don't doubt it! To me it just seems that you're rusty, and rather set in your ways which limits your potential with women. It's not out of the question that you become better than you ever were before, you know? Godspeed!
 

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Alright let's do it



Bvllsh**. Trying to make sense of something logically is taking ownership. If you want childishness then accept notions of faith.



Masculinity = effectiveness. Integration using logic and reasoning ---> effectiveness.



This is absolute epistemological bvllsh**. Reality is an abstraction and requires logical reasoning to identify it. Using analogy is a product of consciousness (language) which allows integration for abstraction. Thinking + consciousness = integration with reality.




Epistemological bvllsh**. Actually I do understand it very well; I wrote a book on it. Working by analogy is consciousness, not thinking. Emotions motivate but are not proper substitutes for thinking.

"logic itself is incomplete at a mathematical level too"

This sounds like a derivative of Kant. Mathematics is a language of logic. Just because something is not well understood doesn't invalidate logical reasoning.





If I've done it before then I don't see why I couldn't to do it again. It's been so long I've forgotten how to. I already have it within me I just need to practice it.
You can't develop discernment without intuition. Discernment = logic + intuition.
 

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Psychologists rarely argue. Instead, they ask questions, guiding people toward their own conclusions. People embrace ideas they feel are their own; thus, they resist less when the conclusion feels self-discovered rather than imposed.

This is the central premise of the Socratic method where he taught by questioning instead of lecturing since people rarely change because they are told, aqnd isntead, they change because they realize.
 

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I don’t care. You both sound like morons debating stupid sh*t.

 

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Psychologists rarely argue. Instead, they ask questions, guiding people toward their own conclusions. People embrace ideas they feel are their own; thus, they resist less when the conclusion feels self-discovered rather than imposed.

This is the central premise of the Socratic method where he taught by questioning instead of lecturing since people rarely change because they are told, aqnd isntead, they change because they realize.
True. But for this method to work the person must first be open, which requires breaking their own ego. Most people end up on forums like this after being humiliated and abandoned by someone they really loved - the forcing function for growth.

Let me not embark on another lecture though ;).
 

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These arguments back and forth are so lame. Makes me wanna kms.
Don't do that.

You can't develop discernment without intuition. Discernment = logic + intuition.
Discernment is pattern recognition, which is rooted in reason.

Did you really just complain about epistemological bs in the same breath as stating that reality is an abstraction?

By your own metric only humans are integrated with reality. What the f are animals up to, living in a fairy tale?
Animals lack abstraction so they are perception bound.

Think about it like this, perception versus conception. Concepts are universal, perceptions are personal. Men, women, children (above a certain age) all grasp the basic concept of money, but their perceptions of money are different, heck even different from person to person.


Anyways, back to facts: scientific discoveries are VERIFIED by logic and the scientific method. Coming up with them, the proverbial "Eureka!" moment, is in fact an intuitive process. Is this really that controversial for you?

I am not sure what you're talking about, to be honest, so I'll just leave you with a hard proof and say QED. I'd be interested in your ideas/book though since I also dabble in this stuff (I'm an engineer working in the AI space at a Mag7 tech company, so bear with me if I'm not familiar with all of the pure philosophy).

I wrote this over ten years ago, and it isn't well written. I should re-write it.

I don't doubt it! To me it just seems that you're rusty, and rather set in your ways which limits your potential with women. It's not out of the question that you become better than you ever were before, you know? Godspeed!
I'm going to try to go along with what I think you are saying here as a presupposition, and give me some rope.

I'm using logic in my thinking as an ego shield to protect myself from either shame or submitting to other people (?)

More accurately, "ego" is not the right concept, but whether or not one's sense of pride is grounded in reality. So for example, if person A on here brags about banging a bunch of women in a third world country, and gets defensive when person B points out that these relationships are likely transactional by nature, person A gets defensive because he wants to defend the notion that he is a good seducer.

That's why I say that the first step toward producing results is being grounded in reality.

You say that I have a parallel definition of masculinity, that I falsely take pride in, so I can shield myself from expressing my sexuality to women (?)

I'm currently trying to get to be as good as I used to, but I'm not sure if that's as good as I need to be given my age. I think me at 42 doesn't give me the same room for error as I had when i was 27.

@BPH says that I should act my age, implying that I don't communicate or act as mature as other people would expect. I don't know how to act like anyone else but myself. I'm mature in the sense that I have a lot more experience then people ten or more years younger than me but I don't feel that much different than I was since being in my early 20's, which probably a combination of being in excellent health for my age and seeing no value in conformity. I remember @BackInTheGame78 pointing out that he thinks I have the mentality of a teenager. I have some theories on what specifically is going on with my emotional state.
 

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Plinco

This is a copy paste from a chicks Bio prompt I’ve just come across on Hinge;

“I'm looking for -
Someone who makes me want to flirt with them.
It's that little bit of chemistry, cheekiness and intellectual curiosity.”

So that’d be
Check chemistry - give her compliments on her looks
Be cheeky - either sexual or testy
Intellectual curiousity - ask her something about her bio prompts or her personality

that’s pretty much a ‘formula’ there.

otherwise you can skip the chat altogether and go straight to a drinks proposal of the bat and shoot your shot, if she says she needs a chat firstly yo check the connection just say you do do that anymore and prefer in person chemistry check, etc etc
 
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Discernment is pattern recognition, which is rooted in reason.
Pattern recognition is learning by correlation, which is "faith". That's why all higher order animals are prone to superstitions, and those superstitions are more compelling than an understanding of cause and effect. The classic experiment is from B. F. Skinner.

In fact it is the other way around: reason is rooted in statistical learning. That's how your brain works. Hebbian learning at its root.

Animals lack abstraction so they are perception bound.

Think about it like this, perception versus conception. Concepts are universal, perceptions are personal. Men, women, children (above a certain age) all grasp the basic concept of money, but their perceptions of money are different, heck even different from person to person.
This is also factually incorrect. Even something as simple as a caterpillar can retain memories of an abstraction through metamorphosis, and even through the generations!! Paper Video

This is actually some crazy sh*t IMO but that's besides the point.


I wrote this over ten years ago, and it isn't well written. I should re-write it.
Np, I'll get the AI to summarize a nice copy edit :).

I'm using logic in my thinking as an ego shield to protect myself from either shame or submitting to other people
Close, but I mean it more in the sense that being logical is a part of the identity you've developed. It is a part of your "ego" in the sense that the ego is the observable part of your personality. Calling the ego into question is an implicit threat of death/disruption (subconsciously) so people typically engage the Semmelweis reflex (which is extremely pronounced when the knowledge in question is the sense of self) and try to re-validate their current survival strategy (which is then easily exploited by e.g. women, managers, etc).

In that sense we can recast the feedback from BPH and BackInTheGame as follows: you've created a survival strategy that seems to be working out rather well for you, but that very comfort has stunted your development in some areas of life since you have not experienced enough pain to seriously reconsider it and move forward. Thus in some areas of life, you aren't living congruently with your biological age.

I don't know how to act like anyone else but myself.
This is more or less the key. According to Jung, the real you is in the shadow of your subconscious. It is not your current set of beliefs and habits. That is probably why you are on this forum: you recognize something needs to change in order to express who you truly are - since in your mind that person isn't a guy who struggles with young, attractive women.

I agree and simply suggest that in order to make that step, you need to let go of whatever habits and mental hang ups are keeping you from being who you want to be. And also that women find that ability extremely sexy! They love a dynamic go-getter who can think on their feet and adapt quickly. Remember too that they can't necessarily verify your internal processing anyways; women simply observe if you have the mind to be a killer/winner, or not - in fact they also are prone to the aforementioned operant conditioning and will be much more devoted if they DO NOT understand the logic behind your actions ;). Nothing sexier than a man who keeps making leaps of faith and landing them each and every time. How many chicks have you seen salivating over some stupid cliff-diving Chad? Doesn't matter, had sex/fun.

Good luck Plinco, you've got this.
 
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Long story short if you let yourself become a shameless, adventurous mf'er, then you're going to have some adventures f'ing future m's shamelessly.
 

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Pattern recognition is learning by correlation, which is "faith". That's why all higher order animals are prone to superstitions, and those superstitions are more compelling than an understanding of cause and effect. The classic experiment is from B. F. Skinner.
Superstitions require abstraction, which requires metaphoric property of language. Only humans possess this. The most intelligent non human animals cannot grasp concepts beyond the perceptual level, like "tree" or "grass." Some animals can do perceptual problem solving, like crows, or some animals can perceive themselves in a mirror, like chimpanzees, but none of them have abstract, conceptual concept formation, and are incapable of grasping the passage of time or conjuring superstitions.


They love a dynamic go-getter who can think on their feet and adapt quickly. Remember too that they can't necessarily verify your internal processing anyways; women simply observe if you have the mind to be a killer/winner, or not - in fact they also are prone to the aforementioned operant conditioning and will be much more devoted if they DO NOT understand the logic behind your actions ;). Nothing sexier than a man who keeps making leaps of faith and landing them each and every time. How many chicks have you seen salivating over some stupid cliff-diving Chad? Doesn't matter, had sex/fun.
What people are attracted to is emotional vitality and emotional fortitude. That's what you're describing here. "Faith" has nothing to do with it in the practical sense. In fact faith is defined by a complete trust in something or someone, which implies without reason. In other words, unearned trust. Pressuring people to have faith in "authority" figures is a way to subjugate them while selling those people that they can live without having to think for themselves. If you want emotional vitality, you need to be clear about who you are and what you want; emotions are felt more intensely when the consequences are clear. So having faith leads you to be less emotional and less effective. Do you understand what I'm saying?
 

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I do, and I also noticed you're not citing empirical proof for any of your claims like I am. Frankly, that leads me to believe that what you're saying is something you want to be true rather than something that necessarily is true - emotional thinking.

Now why do you feel that way? My guess is to feel good about yourself: you're to jerking off your ego with this logic/control/masculinity thing.
We've arrived back at square one. If you wanna break out of this loop please cite a source or change your behavior.
 

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I do, and I also noticed you're not citing empirical proof for any of your claims like I am. Frankly, that leads me to believe that what you're saying is something you want to be true rather than something that necessarily is true - emotional thinking.



We've arrived back at square one. If you wanna break out of this loop please cite a source or change your behavior.
I'm glad you asked for my sources. My epistemology comes from these sources:

1. The philosophies of Objectivism and Aristotelianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

2. The bicameral mind theory of consciousness


All of this is integrated with my personal experience, so everything I'm typing up here is coming from me with the above intellectual influences having a huge effect.
 

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I'm glad you asked for my sources. My epistemology comes from these sources:

1. The philosophies of Objectivism and Aristotelianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

2. The bicameral mind theory of consciousness


All of this is integrated with my personal experience, so everything I'm typing up here is coming from me with the above intellectual influences having a huge effect.
amazing. very detailed. you likely win debates all the time. its built it maybe... Dial that way back with women. They want to feel right, not be proved wrong.

this is a tuff one... natural instinct is to debate and win. in this area win equals loose.

allow self to do and feel some things that are technically wrong. enjoy the feeling of shared ignorance. sometimes....
 
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