Please help with this club/bar situation

[Plinco]

Then you fill it with club soda and a lime.

Don’t just throw $50 down, do it incrementally with $5 a drink over the course of your evening. You shouldn’t come anywhere near that number.

I'm still going to tip them anyway. I feel bad about being so cheap for so long. If I were in their shoes I'd be pretty upset too.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

You are inclined to be a conformist, and I think you value the perception of harmony more than logical principle. That's the person you strike me as. You have the ability to p!ss me off. The problem is that you are too nice. Any time someone p!sses me off enough, I get focused on whatever result I'm trying to achieve because I get that added motivation of having to prove the whole world wrong. My vision, is to change the epistemological mode of humanity to use reason in every aspect of a person's life and to discard nihilism and mysticism. My enemies, regardless of whatever I'm doing, are always the blind conformists and the control freaks who disregard and attack the individual mind.

I am realist, I operate within my capabilities and always advise others to do the same, it's healthy to know your limits.

I am commenting on your posts because I perceive you a bit like a Titanic going full frontal for the iceberg and irrespective of my DGAF attitude about other ppl mistakes, it is just painful to read about Titanic going full frontal towards iceberg with his captain screaming "FULL SPEED AHEAD!"

Regarding "enemies" part - that's deranged man. Ppl don't usually perceive other ppl like that unless you will intentionally harm their close ones (or them), there's rivalry, sure, but at late 30's or 40's, everyone is just too busy with own problems to GAF about things like concept of "enemy" in their life.

Believe it or not, I'm actually an extrovert. I'm just different.

Yeah well you do not seem to be one - extraverted ppl have usually more balanced social life, lot of friends, they do not make such mistakes like you did in the club at that age, they are also not particularly into philosophical concepts.

 

[Plinco]

I am realist, I operate within my capabilities and always advise others to do the same, it's healthy to know your limits.

I am commenting on your posts because I perceive you a bit like a Titanic going full frontal for the iceberg and irrespective of my DGAF attitude about other ppl mistakes, it is just painful to read about Titanic going full frontal towards iceberg with his captain screaming "FULL SPEED AHEAD!"

Regarding "enemies" part - that's deranged man. Ppl don't usually perceive other ppl like that unless you will intentionally harm their close ones (or them), there's rivalry, sure, but at late 30's or 40's, everyone is just too busy with own problems to GAF about things like concept of "enemy" in their life.

If I remember correctly, I believe I saw that you had trouble sleeping. This combined with your perspective, I'm willing to speculate that you have low testosterone and that your perspective is being influenced from that condition. Whenever I'm sleep deprived and depressed, I can feel my testosterone level as lower that usual and I'm more cautious about doing anything. When my levels recover, I feel more energetic and no limitation comes easy. Last night I had a series of dreams with people telling me that I was on the right path, and were cheering me on. Whenever I feel well rested, I want to push myself to my limits and see what I can do.

Yeah well you do not seem to be one - extraverted ppl have usually more balanced social life, lot of friends, they do not make such mistakes like you did in the club at that age, they are also not particularly into philosophical concepts.

Some of the most emotionally intelligent, perceptive people I've met were introverts. Extrovert doesn't automatically mean a balanced life or not reading books.

 

[L3git]

Regarding "enemies" part - that's deranged man. Ppl don't usually perceive other ppl like that unless you will intentionally harm their close ones (or them), there's rivalry, sure, but at late 30's or 40's, everyone is just too busy with own problems to GAF about things like concept of "enemy" in their life.

Just gonna stick up for the underdog here. In the business world you actually do have enemies. I don’t know if that applies to PUA though.

Yeah well you do not seem to be one - extraverted ppl have usually more balanced social life, lot of friends, they do not make such mistakes like you did in the club at that age, they are also not particularly into philosophical concepts.

Extroversion does probably apply to PUA because I’m pretty sure woman are more attracted to that. Then what are introverts suppose to do? Also there are omniverts as well. Lucky them.

Anyway my point is instead of telling him he’s crashing into an iceberg, help him steer the boat.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

That's a good point and I've thought about this before. Causal sex is not my intention however.

That's all these women at bars are good for.

Stop shopping for Steak in a liquor store.

I don't understand why men can't get this through their heads.

If you want quality women, stop trying to find them at bars or clubs. They aren't there.

 

[zekko]

I was thinking, for the next time I go there, since I don't drink alcohol, I can offer to tip them 20 bucks

If they want you to buy something, why don't you buy something? Don't they have any soda, coffee, or maybe an energy drink?

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Just gonna stick up for the underdog here. In the business world you actually do have enemies. I don’t know if that applies to PUA though.

Depends on the business, there are fields of business activity where one day you are thinking how to get upper hand on the market, and another day you cooperate with rival because it is easier to act together e.g. to deflecf consequences of new regulation or instant change of market conditions. That's why I used world rivalry. But yes, in small business (having grocery shop, bar, restaurant) or illegal business you may have enemies.

However I doubt if he thought about "business enemies" only...

Anyway my point is instead of telling him he’s crashing into an iceberg, help him steer the boat.

Lol. I already wrote how to recalibrate in this situation (change object of interest to older women, change tactic/approach/read PUA materials) , the main issue is that his targets are unachievable for him - 20 something hotties DGAF about your money unless you have a lot of them or you are famous, they DGAF if you are educated man, they DGAF if you train box, taekwondo or whatever he is training in the free time - they want hot dude to rock their world, preferably push-pull them into craziness about the guy, if they are interested in older guys, they usually look for € and travel/adventure/career boost opportunities through such guy (therefore their interest is purely opportunistic) - while dude is already too old & too awkward for such a chicks and don't have hand strong enough to win this game - if bouncer is called on the guy once he sweeps through the bar, what are his objective chances to pick up HB 8/10, 21 old? They all probably call him "Mister" when he aproaches them lol. His own field reports state that mothers of girls he is approaching go into "must rescue my pretty flower mode" when he goes with the approach. How much intuition do you need to understand the real chances the guy has to pull it off?

Tbh most of us would fail if target would be to pick up attractive 20-year old chick at our age and maintain the relationship - exactly because of lack of interest on the side of girl.

Old PUA books/materials have a lot of information about IOIs - add basic knowledge about psychology to that - no IOIs, no wet pssy ever unless you will lube it with €. Ignoring this and repeating approaches w/o recalibration is like hitting the wall with your head, arguing in the meantime with others that after several hundreds of hits, your head will make a crack on the wall lol.

This website is partially about pick up and relationships, not necessarily about encouraging irrational behaviour. The best chances dude would have (with that attitude & assumed targets) in Utah, converting to mormonism and striking a deal for some chick with her father lol otherwise its a dead-end. Even if he will eventually, somehow, succeed, I get the feeling the chick would harm him eventually on psychological lvl (i.e. he would meet crazy chick and face the consequences).

Btw. Being 40 years old myself - I am aware it means my life may last 42, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65 and more years if I am lucky. WTF with chasing stupid college girls tails at this age? Isn't it better to get a woman you can actualy form a healthy relationship and that will be actually happy watching sunsets together with you?

Being smart is being mature, being mature is about being smart.

 

[Plinco]

Anyway my point is instead of telling him he’s crashing into an iceberg, help him steer the boat.

No one steers my boat except me.

Depends on the business, there are fields of business activity where one day you are thinking how to get upper hand on the market, and another day you cooperate with rival because it is easier to act together e.g. to deflecf consequences of new regulation or instant change of market conditions. That's why I used world rivalry. But yes, in small business (having grocery shop, bar, restaurant) or illegal business you may have enemies.

I've had enemies my entire life and it has been a blessing. I have a big ego and if something is important enough, I make sure that I don't lose. I wouldn't be as intelligent, focused, or as hardworking as I am if I didn't have enemies.

I'm not going out of my way to offend you when I say this but I'm willing to bet you have this perspective because you have low testosterone.

Lol. I already wrote how to recalibrate in this situation (change object of interest to older women, change tactic/approach/read PUA materials) , the main issue is that his targets are unachievable for him - 20 something hotties DGAF about your money unless you have a lot of them or you are famous, they DGAF if you are educated man, they DGAF if you train box, taekwondo or whatever he is training in the free time - they want hot dude to rock their world, preferably push-pull them into craziness about the guy, if they are interested in older guys, they usually look for € and travel/adventure/career boost opportunities through such guy (therefore their interest is purely opportunistic) - while dude is already too old & too awkward for such a chicks and don't have hand strong enough to win this game - if bouncer is called on the guy once he sweeps through the bar, what are his objective chances to pick up HB 8/10, 21 old? They all probably call him "Mister" when he aproaches them lol. His own field reports state that mothers of girls he is approaching go into "must rescue my pretty flower mode" when he goes with the approach. How much intuition do you need to understand the real chances the guy has to pull it off?

You're projecting your low testosterone, self-limiting beliefs here. I'm 100% confident that I could pull young attractive women. I think there's some work I have to do but I know I can do it.

Old PUA books/materials have a lot of information about IOIs - add basic knowledge about psychology to that - no IOIs, no wet pssy ever unless you will lube it with €. Ignoring this and repeating approaches w/o recalibration is like hitting the wall with your head, arguing in the meantime with others that after several hundreds of hits, your head will make a crack on the wall lol.

Waiting for a woman to show you interest is a submissive mindset. Approaching with enough confidence causes some sexual tension. I would never put myself in the position where I would beholden to the whims of other people like that unless it's the government putting a gun to my head, and even then there's no guarantee.

Btw. Being 40 years old myself - I am aware it means my life may last 42, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65 and more years if I am lucky. WTF with chasing stupid college girls tails at this age? Isn't it better to get a woman you can actualy form a healthy relationship and that will be actually happy watching sunsets together with you?

The last girl I was with (30 years old) had a criminal record and was fvcked in the head. She was hot though. I broke up with her when I noticed that she was drunk and I gave her an ultimatum (she was a recovering addict).

I don't feel sexual tension unless I have youth energy or fvcked up energy in the girl, and she has to be good looking enough. If I'm with a girl over time that attraction usually holds over time, so I think me getting a young lady and going from there is the smart option for me.

I see nothing wrong with myself, I have every right to do what I'm doing, and it's some other people who have the problems. It will take me some time but I will succeed. Watch me.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

No one steers my boat except me.



I've had enemies my entire life and it has been a blessing. I have a big ego and if something is important enough, I make sure that I don't lose. I wouldn't be as intelligent, focused, or as hardworking as I am if I didn't have enemies.

I'm not going out of my way to offend you when I say this but I'm willing to bet you have this perspective because you have low testosterone.



You're projecting your low testosterone, self-limiting beliefs here. I'm 100% confident that I could pull young attractive women. I think there's some work I have to do but I know I can do it.



Waiting for a woman to show you interest is a submissive mindset. Approaching with enough confidence causes some sexual tension. I would never put myself in the position where I would beholden to the whims of other people like that unless it's the government putting a gun to my head, and even then there's no guarantee.



The last girl I was with (30 years old) had a criminal record and was fvcked in the head. She was hot though. I broke up with her when I noticed that she was drunk and I gave her an ultimatum (she was a recovering addict).

I don't feel sexual tension unless I have youth energy or fvcked up energy in the girl, and she has to be good looking enough. If I'm with a girl over time that attraction usually holds over time, so I think me getting a young lady and going from there is the smart option for me.

I see nothing wrong with myself, I have every right to do what I'm doing, and it's some other people who have the problems. It will take me some time but I will succeed. Watch me.

Your screening process is completely broken is the main takeaway I've gotten from this.

 

[Plinco]

Your screening process is completely broken is the main takeaway I've gotten from this.

I'd appreciate if you could elaborate. I mean, attraction is a reaction and not a choice, if that's what you're talking about.

 

[sevbucmash]

I'm still going to tip them anyway.

And remind them of yourself..... What a bad idea.
Instead, what I would do is skip that place for a while. Bouncer ask you to leave. To hell with them. Half a year or so. Go to other places.
At other places do buy drinks and enjoy yourself.

Go back to that place in half a year, maybe a year, and spend time drinking and not approaching anyone.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'd appreciate if you could elaborate. I mean, attraction is a reaction and not a choice, if that's what you're talking about.

Attraction is, but having enough maturity and control to knowingly not choose bad apples is definitely a choice.

Unfortunately one that most men don't seem to ever truly learn.

It would be like saying I can't help that I like ice cream. That's true, many people do, but that doesn't mean you sit down and eat the entire container at one sitting.

Who you select to allow into your company is a direct reflection of you and in this case not a very favorable one.

Screen with your brain, not with your d!ck.

 

[Plinco]

And remind them of yourself..... What a bad idea.
Instead, what I would do is skip that place for a while. Bouncer ask you to leave. To hell with them. Half a year or so. Go to other places.
At other places do buy drinks and enjoy yourself.

Go back to that place in half a year, maybe a year, and spend time drinking and not approaching anyone.

I thought about this too and it's not bad advice. I'll consider doing that too.

Attraction is, but having enough maturity and control to knowingly not choose bad apples is definitely a choice.

Unfortunately one that most men don't seem to ever truly learn.

It would be like saying I can't help that I like ice cream. That's true, many people do, but that doesn't mean you sit down and eat the entire container at one sitting.

Who you select to allow into your company is a direct reflection of you and in this case not a very favorable one.

Screen with your brain, not with your d!ck.

Let me clarify.

Attraction is not a choice given a person's set of convictions. In other words, people have emotional responses based on what they are convinced of is true.

I've done 20 years of self-reflection and analysis to make sure all of my convictions are rational (corresponds to reality). I'm attracted to youthful energy because that's what I hold in high value. Women who have mental problems carry some of that energy because part of their psyche is living in that past trauma where they are expressing that youthful energy.

Instead of dating women with mental problems, wouldn't make more sense to start a relationship with a girl who doesn't have those problems but still has the youthful energy?

Let me ask you this @BackInTheGame78 , is selecting a 19 year old girl to enjoy my company who is personally compatible with me not a favorable reflection of me? It is favorable for me and her, and everyone else. But why do you think it isn't?

 

[L3git]

Btw. Being 40 years old myself - I am aware it means my life may last 42, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65 and more years if I am lucky. WTF with chasing stupid college girls tails at this age? Isn't it better to get a woman you can actualy form a healthy relationship and that will be actually happy watching sunsets together with you?

I do actually agree with this. 20 yr old hotties are not mentally mature yet or even close. Better off with a mature woman to spend time with.

No one steers my boat except me.

Sometimes you need a little help brother or you’ll go crazy.

 

[sevbucmash]

is selecting a 19 year old girl

Bro. So long as:
A) she gave you some kind of IOI's, and
B) you're not talking to her like you talking here, like an old man

 

[Plinco]

Bro. So long as:
A) she gave you some kind of IOI's, and
B) you're not talking to her like you talking here, like an old man

A) I don't agree with that
B) Agreed

Sometimes you need a little help brother or you’ll go crazy.

Think about that very carefully. What exactly is this 'help.' Inputs from other people are not necessary for sanity.

 

[sevbucmash]

Picture yourself at a bar, just one you and 20 girls. 15 girls are all fat.



You're not even looking at those 15, all your attention and eyes are on those 5 girls, which are more or less hot and doable.

Then you get approached by one of those fat girls you weren't even paying any attention to. What would be your reaction? Change your mind and talk to her, perhaps even take her home with you?

 

[Plinco]

Picture yourself at a bar, just one you and 20 girls. 15 girls are all fat.

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You're not even looking at those 15, all your attention and eyes are on those 5 girls, which are more or less hot and doable.

Then you get approached by one of those fat girls you weren't even paying any attention to. What would be your reaction? Change your mind and talk to her, perhaps even take her home with you?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but I'd rather be celibate than go too far beneath my standards. I value my self-esteem.

 

[sevbucmash]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here

If woman finds you even remotely attractive you'd get some kind of IOI from her.

 

[Plinco]

If woman finds you even remotely attractive you'd get some kind of IOI from her.

I'm too autistic to pick up on that I think. Someone as blunt and selfish as I am should be the one doing the approaching, not the woman.