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[BackInTheGame78]

I tend to think that when you approach a girl and can't hold a convo for more than 5mins, it's just because SHE is not attracted and so she isn't pulling her weight in the convo at all! you're literally talking too a brick wall. In fact, me and my wings often have sets that last much less than that lol. (you see quite a few 30 second sets in infields actually) - No fault of our own. Girls don't want to encourage guys who aren't their type. But when I approach a girl and she's into me (and I have enough experience that I can tell within about 3 seconds!) then 'running out of convo' is never an issue for me or most guys I know.

Although i'm sure there are guys who can't hold a convo even when the girl is asking him loads of stuff and doing more than her fair share

But yeah, in terms of just 'being normal' I kind of agree. Many years ago I came to teh conclusion that 'game' is MOSTLY nonsense, and all you need is her physical attraction and to just be 'normal'. (as you say)

Not even talking about that...I'm talking about on a date

 

[characternote]

Not even talking about that...I'm talking about on a date

ahhh, OK. I'm gonna be honest, as I always am when it comes to this stuff, and admit i've had very few 'dates'. It's not my thing. I deleted tinder ages ago due too a complete lack of matches.

90% of my lays are from cold approach, and 10% from social circle and stuff like that (girls from work, friends of friends etc)

I like to think that if you are on a date, she thinks you are good looking (she swiped right) so and will at least pull her weight in the convo, so running out of ammo after 5 mins seems odd. Even just asking all the classic FORD stuff should be able to take up a good 30mins?!

 

[BadBoy89]

please go elsewhere if you want to call women wh*res/assume I bang uglies.

See there you go . You say you've slept with 101 women.

I say; OK; they must not be hot women -> you dispute that
I say OK; they must be hot women and hot women have slept with at least 70 men -> you dispute that

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you want to write this off because I'm good-looking and you're not, that's fine.

I never said I'm not. You just made a assumption there.

If you assume with a hot girl under 30, she will make your head spin in 15 seconds.

You are entitled to your opinion. But I'm offering you all to work at an hourly rate that's less than what I make at my job, and give you your money back at the end of the month if you don't feel like you're getting any value out of working with me...

If you don't want to get laid, don't get laid.

Another assumption.

I don't dispute you have slept 101 hot women. I dispute when you dispute that hot women have slept with 70 men by the time they are 30. And then when I say that, you say "please go elsewhere if you want to say all women are *****s"

You don't see how illogical that is?

So you are saying Sydney Sweeney wants to sleep with you more than any guy wants to sleep with her.

Rock on!

 

[BPH]

Just want to take a quick moment to reference this piece from my OP:

Right now, I’m looking to take on 2–3 more guys, whether they’re from this forum or not, to help shape the foundation of what this coaching program becomes.

Currently, I have 3 guys that I'm working with. Meaning that I will only be taking on one more at this initial price point of $100/month.

Since I cannot edit the OP to reflect this, I wanted to announce this before people hop on a call with me and wonder why the price went up. Everything else remains the same. Hope you guys all had a good weekend.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Testimonial

I'm back on SS so I wanted to share the results I've been getting from the coaching.

I've been working with @BPH for just over a month, and I'm very pleased with the results so far. We are on Week 5 of working together, and since then, I've closed 2 new girls, and pulled one back to the house but with no close. We dialed in the workouts on top of my existing keto diet and I am down another 10 pounds. I've been able to have all of my questions answered, get feedback on what I am doing right or wrong in the field, and I've had accountability through setting goals for each week and having the weekly calls.

You get an entire hour on the calls so you get to break down specific interactions you've had, and talk about what you did well and where you can improve. The coaching has helped me improve blind spots that I had, and through some mindset shifts I've been able to improve my results.

If you're serious about leveling up: I'd definitely vouch for it!

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

I endorse @BPH in his coaching and strongly agree with @BackInTheGame78 that lack of social calibration or social blind spots is most typically the biggest detractor. Lack of social calibration can derail interactions EVEN IF a guy is naturally attractive enough that women approach him.

Getting in the gym, eating properly, grooming well and dressing well are things any of you here can do. The thing is it takes effort and a reshaping of your habits. You can learn/improve social interaction too.

You cannot be sedentary drinking 2 beers with your pizza or a 48oz soda with your fast food most days and expect results.

Changing your habits will change your life. Our OP consciously changed his habits and in time, results followed. Now he's trying to light the path to actual results for others, and he's investing his time toward this purpose.

Good. I wish you tremendous success in your endeavor and encourage you to keep up the growth and positive path.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@BPH first off I think this is great and wish you the best of luck!

Second and not to throw a wrench in but
did you research the legal aspects of this since you're charging a fee for your services?

Here in California (and other states) by law one needs a license or permit, even selling something on the street for money requires a permit!

I know this because I was required to apply for and obtain a permit when selling some home-made food items and various handmade crafts at the Farmer's Market. I was surprised I didn't think I would but yep I did!

Here your selling your knowledge, expertise and coaching services for a fee, no difference.

I just don't want this to come back and bite you later if you didn't, that's all.

But again sounds great! A win-win!

 

[BPH]

@BPH first off I think this is great and wish you the best of luck!

Second and not to throw a wrench in but
did you research the legal aspects of this since you're charging a fee for your services?

Here in California (and other states) by law one needs a license or permit, even selling something on the street for money requires a permit!

I know this because I was required to apply for and obtain a permit when selling some home-made food items and various handmade crafts at the Farmer's Market. I was surprised I didn't think I would but yep I did!

Here your selling your knowledge, expertise and coaching services for a fee, no difference.

I just don't want this to come back and bite you later if you didn't, that's all.

But again sounds great! A win-win!

A mistake I've made with previous businesses is that I built a bunch of systems that I thought would be necessary before I had sales.

This time I'm doing it the other way around.

I'll cross those bridges when I get to them, but thank you for the well wishes

 

[BillyPilgrim]

@BPH first off I think this is great and wish you the best of luck!

Second and not to throw a wrench in but
did you research the legal aspects of this since you're charging a fee for your services?

Here in California (and other states) by law one needs a license or permit, even selling something on the street for money requires a permit!

I know this because I was required to apply for and obtain a permit when selling some home-made food items and various handmade crafts at the Farmer's Market. I was surprised I didn't think I would but yep I did!

Here your selling your knowledge, expertise and coaching services for a fee, no difference.

I just don't want this to come back and bite you later if you didn't, that's all.

But again sounds great! A win-win!

Stop selling at the swap meet @BPH

 

[BPH]

Just want to give this a bump since I'm seeing a lot of new questions from unfamiliar/new users lately.

There is still space for anybody looking to take their self-improvement seriously.

 

[MatureDJ]

Why Me?

Many of you already know my story. I’ve slept with 101 women by the age of 31. I’ve also done it while living at home with my parents in suburban Delaware, making less than $50k a year (way less until recently), and driving around in a 2005 Prius with a busted headlight.

My journal has been immortalized in my signature with more than 10 years of field notes, mistakes, experiments, and progress. Feel free to take a deep dive into the cringe if you want to relive my rocky start.

The thing is, I was able to do this without a mentor, without guidance, and without resources - so I’d like to offer the chance to be that guide I never had for someone else.

You have a great face, hair & height; this more than anything else has made you successful.

EDIT: If there is someone out there with these attributes, but is not successful, I guess you could coach them up.

 

[MatureDJ]

Testimonial

I'm back on SS so I wanted to share the results I've been getting from the coaching.

I've been working with @BPH for just over a month, and I'm very pleased with the results so far. We are on Week 5 of working together, and since then, I've closed 2 new girls, and pulled one back to the house but with no close. We dialed in the workouts on top of my existing keto diet and I am down another 10 pounds. I've been able to have all of my questions answered, get feedback on what I am doing right or wrong in the field, and I've had accountability through setting goals for each week and having the weekly calls.

You get an entire hour on the calls so you get to break down specific interactions you've had, and talk about what you did well and where you can improve. The coaching has helped me improve blind spots that I had, and through some mindset shifts I've been able to improve my results.

If you're serious about leveling up: I'd definitely vouch for it!

How's your face, hair & height?

 

[Bigpapa]

ahhh, OK. I'm gonna be honest, as I always am when it comes to this stuff, and admit i've had very few 'dates'. It's not my thing. I deleted tinder ages ago due too a complete lack of matches.

90% of my lays are from cold approach, and 10% from social circle and stuff like that (girls from work, friends of friends etc)

I like to think that if you are on a date, she thinks you are good looking (she swiped right) so and will at least pull her weight in the convo, so running out of ammo after 5 mins seems odd. Even just asking all the classic FORD stuff should be able to take up a good 30mins?!

you know, the thing is that looks do matter ( a lot , especially in terms of quality)

but game does matter too ( for girls that find you at least somehow attractive )

without good game you will always shoot yourself in the foot. I do agree that most of the pua thing is garbage but the philosophy of pua is quite good. Despite having a bad opinion about the pua themselves, sites like girlschase I find in a good proportion quite good and helpful ( mainly those wrote by chase. The other guys mainly write bs )

 

[BPH]

You have a great face, hair & height; this more than anything else has made you successful.

EDIT: If there is someone out there with these attributes, but is not successful, I guess you could coach them up.

To avoid going on this tangent again, I'll quote myself:

I wasn't handsome growing up. This is the result of a series of choices:

• I go to the gym 4x per week for 1-1.5 hours, and a 5th time just for cardio
• I eat a very strict diet and have done so for years
• I practiced intermittent fasting before that
• I got LASIK to correct my near-sightedness, so I'd no longer need glasses or contacts
• I had braces in high school to straighten my teeth, and I continue to wear a night retainer
• I regularly shave, groom, cut my hair, and brush and floss my teeth

These are all things anybody can do to improve their appearance.

Not becoming a more attractive version of yourself is a choice, one that will lead to you being less successful. I became more handsome, I became more successful.

There's not a cheat code to this...

If you want to be fat, ugly, and unmotivated while still expecting to get laid, I can't help you.

The core of this is focused on self-improvement, along with learning the correct way to handle situations and "read the room". If you're expecting me to drop some sort of text message script that'll turn you into Casanova, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[characternote]

You have a great face, hair & height; this more than anything else has made you successful.

in his defence, I think he he knows that.
He's not out here trying to sell 'NLP verbals' to 'force attraction' in any girl he chooses, or some other 'technique' to flip a hard cold approach''no'' into a ''yes''

 

[L3git]

Might be interested if there’s a spot still available. Don’t know if you can work with 40yr. Got kinda lazy the last few year with weed and stuff but would give it my best shot.

 

[Vanderdonck]

I'd love to see the word "height" banned from this forum.

Some of you have never talked to an awkward tall guy and it shows.

Anyway OP good for you for hustling, wishing you and your clients much success.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If one is attractive. No one will ask them for dating advice. The successful average looking people who get asked for dating advice tend to get an initial comment of: ‘How do you do it? What’s your secret?’

No one asks an attractive person: ‘What’s your secret?’

 

[BPH]

Might be interested if there’s a spot still available. Don’t know if you can work with 40yr. Got kinda lazy the last few year with weed and stuff but would give it my best shot.

At the moment, there is still space, yes.

You'd click the link in my signature to schedule a call so I can see you and get a feel for what your goals are and whether I believe them to be realistic for what I can help with.

If one is attractive. No one will ask them for dating advice. The successful average looking people who get asked for dating advice tend to get an initial comment of: ‘How do you do it? What’s your secret?’

No one asks an attractive person: ‘What’s your secret?’

You've brought this up before, so clearly this isn't for you.

If you saw a Ferrari, you'd just look at it and go "well yeah, obviously it's fast".

You wouldn't think about what it took to create that finished product - in your mind, it just "happened".

That kind of person I cannot help. Because they believe themselves to be at an inescapable disadvantage, rather than being on one of the stepping stones leading to a refined product.

 

[Bingo-Player]

For anyone considering this I think you need to be very aware that you can do all of the theorising and pep talks money can buy

The only way you're getting any type of success with women as a "average / sub average guy" is by becoming immune to rejection

I'm not sure this can really be taught it has to be experienced first hand because you'll pick bits and pieces up and gain confidence relevant to your own personality and character as you go along

The days of canned openers and routines are long long gone