BillyPilgrim
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The OP lolSeriously, can somebody bring me up to speed on how this thread reached 16 pages?
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
The OP lolSeriously, can somebody bring me up to speed on how this thread reached 16 pages?
Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
His threads tend to have a lot of responses.The OP lol
They don't.I don't dispute the fact a lot of older gals don't want a significantly younger man.
You are seeking outliers and trying to create a sustainable strategy around chasing outliers. That's not a strategy. That's generally a waste of time.And to dispute the claim that's been made on this forum that an early 20s guy serves as a boytoy, while a 30-something man serves no purpose for an older woman: The last woman I had free sex with, a few months before I turned 30 (so even though I technically wasn't a 30-something yet, I was pretty close), was born in 1978.
See, even after outgrowing boytoy territory, I was able to get cooch from a woman born in the 70s.
We must have a different definition of what constitutes a personal rejection.His threads tend to have a lot of responses.
They don't.
The media has played a role in this. "American Pie" (released in 1999) and the older woman, younger man porn genre that seemed to emerge in the 2000s after this started getting more young men to chase older women.
Millennials were the first generation affected by this but I think Gen Z males are doing some of this.
I can somewhat understand a younger man (18-25) having sex on a short term basis with a woman 10+ years old. It's usually indicative of some sort of game deficiency with the younger man. In theory, the 18-25 year old man should have sufficient opportunities with 18-25 females that he doesn't need to interact with women who are much older. However, there are situations that arise during the 18-25 years where the man lacks options with similarly aged women. If he goes older for a shorter period, I don't think that's a big deal.
In real life, 18-25 year old males go older with one of their mom's social connections. The other way that happens is through a tech method.
For men of any age, pursuing much older women (10+ years older) is likely to increase the rejection rate. These rejections are somewhat personal too. A 37 year old woman isn't that psyched in most instances to have short term sex with a 22 year old male. She might do it if he's good looking enough (at least 6-7 on the ratings), but she's usually not motivated to do it.
You are seeking outliers and trying to create a sustainable strategy around chasing outliers. That's not a strategy. That's generally a waste of time.
A 42-43 year old woman isn't seeking sex from a 29-30 year old man. That's a highly unusual combination.
When a man seeks outliers, he increases his rejection rate.
The same thing will happen for a man who intentionally chases women taller than he is, even if they are similarly aged. That would be a waste of time for most men so most men have learned to avoid rejections from taller women.
Rejection is personal in most cases. Rejection happens because of who the person is and the traits they possess.Turning a guy down because of his age isn't what I'd view as a personal rejection. If a woman dislikes a dude's age, chances are she'd turn him down whether he's neurotypical or not. Because the rejection has nothing to do with his personal qualities; it's solely about his age.
On the other hand, if a woman turns me down because of all the baggage surrounding my autism, that is what I'd view as a personal rejection. That's a direct jab at who I am as a person.
In that case, seeing as my autistic self has bagged more than one married woman (as well as more than one woman with a boyfriend) for free, their husbands/boyfriends must have really been pathetic (the fact I came across as a better option)Rejection is personal in most cases. Rejection happens because of who the person is and the traits they possess.
You get turned down due to your personality somewhat regularly.
Men will get turned down due to height, facial aesthetics, lack of employment, personal style, personal hygiene/grooming, etc. Those are all personal rejections. The list goes on and on about what can cause a rejection. Women are rejecting more and more men in recent times due to their increased abundance.
A lot of women have boyfriends and husbands. Some will reject men based on that. However, it can be argued that the man failed to demonstrate himself as a superior alternative to the boyfriend or husband. Many existing relationships are mediocre and the woman will jump if she sees a better opportunity (hypergamy). A lot of those rejections can be called personal too.
Has he done anything different, or is he still using his autism as an excuse and thinking about how "because this happened before, it'll happen again" as it pertains to women?The OP lol
I'd say the amount of organized singles events I've attended in the past 7 months or so constitutes "doing something different"Has he done anything different, or is he still using his autism as an excuse and thinking about how "because this happened before, it'll happen again" as it pertains to women?
The reason I say "excuse" is because women don't care about problems; they only care about what's being presented to them.I'd say the amount of organized singles events I've attended in the past 7 months or so constitutes "doing something different"
I'm certainly in a much better position now than I was a year ago (in terms of exposing myself to more opportunities, even if not much comes of it)
As for autism, autism is a disability; not an excuse (just because autism isn't the same as being wheelchair-bound doesn't change the fact autism is a disability)
Seeing as you've admitted you get cranky if you go a few weeks without sex, you'd definitely kill yourself if you had to spend even a month being autistic.
The fact I've been dealing with something for nearly 34 years that you wouldn't even be able to cope with for a month shows tremendous inner strength on my part.
Getting shredded and building a top tier physique can limit the effects of anything in a personality.Have you started going to the gym regularly yet?
So STOP PURSUING THEM, and date women your own age or younger. No more excuses. In fact, if you respond to what I just said with yet another hair-brained rationalizaton for not adopting more productive beliefs and behaviors, I'm reporting you for spammingI don't dispute the fact a lot of older gals don't want a significantly younger man
Wringing blood from a stone is a neverending task.Has he done anything different, or is he still using his autism as an excuse and thinking about how "because this happened before, it'll happen again" as it pertains to women?
How'd @New_Journey get banned?Wringing blood from a stone is a neverending task.
Bro, with all due respect, you’re overall below a 5. I’ve seen your picture.In the opinion of the woman I chat with from another office in my building, I'm an 8.
In the opinion of Wheat Waffles, I'm a 4.
In the opinion of a girl I had 2 dates with from OkCupid in college, I'm an 8 and a half.
AI raters rate me mostly in the 6 range, with some 7's and some 5's.
A live human rating site I'm on rated 2 of my images as 6.3; 1 image as 5.8
All in all, the 6-7 that I rate myself as appears to be a realistic average of various ratings I've gotten (and the fact it was a man who rated me a 4, while the opposite sex tends to rate me higher, is very telling)
But yeah, it's easier to be confident around the opposite sex without the sexual tension element. That's why female coworkers, relatives, etc often fail to see what the problem is when a guy tells her he struggles romantically.
Off the top of my head, being stubborn and argumentative?How'd @New_Journey get banned?
Well that's nothing new. I was wondering what the straw was that broke the camel's back.Off the top of my head, being stubborn and argumentative?
Calling BE's husband a beta, it looks likeWell that's nothing new. I was wondering what the straw was that broke the camel's back.
No, I haven't started going to the gym. I've already mentioned on the forum that (on account of my autism) normal daily life exhausts me too much to go to the gym.The reason I say "excuse" is because women don't care about problems; they only care about what's being presented to them.
You have autism. That's unfortunate. Now what?
Have you started going to the gym regularly yet?
You'd destroy me for reasons other than looks (Without knowing what you look like, I know looks are not my problem. All my other baggage is)Bro, with all due respect, you’re overall below a 5. I’ve seen your picture.
Once you come to terms with that reality, you’ll be able to start improving in the areas where you’re lacking. Trust me, everyone in the sexual marketplace knows who their opponents are, a believe me when I say, most of us in this forum would absolutely destroy you in a seduction competition.
A statement like that is not going to be well regarded by men on the SoSuave forum. Outside of the SoSuave forum, if you were to make that statement to men in general, men in general (often blue pill ideology men) would also perceive you negatively for making that statement.I haven't started going to the gym. I've already mentioned on the forum that (on account of my autism) normal daily life exhausts me too much to go to the gym.
When you say something like this, it gives off the idea that you don't understand nightlife venues at all.Going to night clubs is another solution that wouldn't work for most autists (a night club is a miserable environment for autists)
What women say that they want and what women respond to in the sexual marketplace are often 2 different things. Old school PUA Ross Jeffries said this as far back as 1992 in what was a friendlier mating environment than the post-2000 mating environment.Your assessment that I'm below a 5 doesn't generally line up with what the opposite sex has said about my looks.
Here's a serious question: What's your guess of why straight dudes seem to rate me significantly lower on the looks scale than straight gals and gay guys do?
You have a situation where you have baggage on the personality side and your looks don't make up for it.All my other baggage is
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I'm aware a woman wouldn't take well to the comment about normal daily life exhausting me too much to go to the gym. That's why I'd never say that to a woman. I was only saying it on here because I've grown tired of being repeatedly told to go to the gym.A statement like that is not going to be well regarded by men on the SoSuave forum. Outside of the SoSuave forum, if you were to make that statement to men in general, men in general (often blue pill ideology men) would also perceive you negatively for making that statement.
However, the worst perception you'd get on that statement would be from women. Women would consider you unmasculine for saying something like that.
When you say something like this, it gives off the idea that you don't understand nightlife venues at all.
A nightclub is only one type of nightlife venue.
Nightlife venues are comprised of bars and nightclubs.
The main difference between a bar and a nightclub is the presence of a DJ spinning tunes and a dance floor. It's more challenging to have basic communication in these venues.
The noise volume is louder at nightclubs than most bars.
Bars can range from anything from a craphole dive bar to a ultra luxury lounge. Some bars have moderate noise volumes and meaningful conversations are possible.
What women say that they want and what women respond to in the sexual marketplace are often 2 different things. Old school PUA Ross Jeffries said this as far back as 1992 in what was a friendlier mating environment than the post-2000 mating environment.
If a woman says you are a 6.5 but proceeds to treat you like a 4.5, your real rating is 4.5.
Words from women matter far less than actions from women.
In the sexual marketplace, you are being treated poorly by women, which is less indicative of a 6.5 - 7 on looks and more indicative of a 4-5 on looks. However, today's marketplace is so competitive that even being a 6.5 - 7 on looks is not a strong positioning. 6.5 - 7 looks tier men are just high level normies who don't get treated well unless they are mainly getting dates from a social circle.
You have a situation where you have baggage on the personality side and your looks don't make up for it.
The first post from the thread below indicates a lot of baggage that would be personality side. Some of it touches on money and status too.
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my struggles with the ladies go way beyond mere social awkwardness
I was having a DM discussion with another member where I mentioned how my struggles with the ladies go beyond mere social awkwardness/ASD. Come to think of it, I suppose the topic warrants its own thread. In addition to my ASD/social awkwardness, there are many other factors working against me...www.sosuave.net
is it a temp or permanent?Well that's nothing new. I was wondering what the straw was that broke the camel's back.