The idea that rejection is nothing personal

[SW15]

At a store I worked at before this job (but after college), I would comment on a female coworker's body (directly to her)

You are fortunate HR didn't fire you for that. That sounds like a policy violation to me.

The closest thing I've done to shooting my shot with a woman in my office building was back in 2021 when I slipped my number to a female coworker at the same company as me.

I doubt that resulted in a date because you didn't directly ask her out and then ask for her number. Also, doing that within your own company is a bad idea.

You didn't have the guts there to take a direct rejection from a co-worker.

I tend to stay at a job for a while (so the "you'll change jobs quickly anyway" thing doesn't really apply to me)

Millennials and Generation Z (the women you're interested in) are changing jobs every 2-4 years.

Also, you could get laid off this afternoon or by the end of the week.

In case you haven't been paying attention to the employment world, there are massive layoffs going on right now. That's been the case since mid-2023. Most of the time, the employee did nothing to deserve it. It's the fault of incompetent senior management.

If you approach a woman working at another company in that building, chances are that she's gone before the end of the year. She's either going to get laid off, change jobs voluntarily, or you will get laid off.

You might as well show her some charisma and ask her out for a drink at a bar.

AI raters rate me mostly in the 6 range, with some 7's and some 5's.

A live human rating site I'm on rated 2 of my images as 6.3; 1 image as 5.8

Did those AI raters and live human raters see the lack of muscle definition on your chest/stomach/arms in that one thread you posted on here? That would affect those numbers.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I dress the way I do because that's how I want to dress

Couldn't that be interpreted as an attractive character trait (as I'm doing something many a woman might not like, yet I have an "I don't give a flip" attitude...in other words, I'm not going to let a woman's preferences impact my wardrobe)? Talk about not caring about a woman's approval.

That's the equivalent of walking into the boxing ring with both arms at your sides, getting your clock cleaned in over a dozen matches, and trying to whitewash incompetence as "style", as opposed to emulating what the highly successful do

 

[GoodMan32]

You are fortunate HR didn't fire you for that. That sounds like a policy violation to me.



I doubt that resulted in a date because you didn't directly ask her out and then ask for her number. Also, doing that within your own company is a bad idea.

You didn't have the guts there to take a direct rejection from a co-worker.



Millennials and Generation Z (the women you're interested in) are changing jobs every 2-4 years.

Also, you could get laid off this afternoon or by the end of the week.

In case you haven't been paying attention to the employment world, there are massive layoffs going on right now. That's been the case since mid-2023. Most of the time, the employee did nothing to deserve it. It's the fault of incompetent senior management.

If you approach a woman working at another company in that building, chances are that she's gone before the end of the year. She's either going to get laid off, change jobs voluntarily, or you will get laid off.

You might as well show her some charisma and ask her out for a drink at a bar.



Did those AI raters and live human raters see the lack of muscle definition on your chest/stomach/arms in that one thread you posted on here? That would affect those numbers.

The store I worked at was an extremely relaxed environment. Even the store manager made sexual innuendo comments to the coworker whose body I'd comment on.

The staff in that store merely accepted the unprofessional environment as a fact of life.

The female coworker in that store I made comments to would make comments to me too (even if not to the same degree of severity)

You're right, I wasn't going to risk a rejection from a coworker. I've mentioned many times on the forum I refuse to risk a rejection from a woman I have reason to believe I'm going to run into again (Which is also my rebuttal to your claim that I should shoot my shot with a woman from a different workplace in my office building. The fact I might get laid off soon, or the woman might change jobs soon, isn't a good enough reason to do an askout)

I haven't asked out a woman I had valid reason to believe I'd cross paths with again since 2012. That's how severe my phobia is.

Millennials and Gen Z aren't my target market. Gen X as well as younger Baby Boomers are my preference.

The AI raters rate solely based on facial features.

As for the live human raters, 1 picture is a full body shot. The other 2 show me from the chest up.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Gen X as well as younger Baby Boomers are my preference.

Why not go all in, by swiping a mummy or 3 from The AMONH https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mummies/egypt , and using THEM as bed mates? Chances of pregnancy are zero, unless Imhotep drops by to re-animate them

 

[SW15]

The store

Retail store locations have a bit less strict of a work environment with harassment claims than corporate office locations.

I've mentioned many times on the forum I refuse to risk a rejection from a woman I have reason to believe I'm going to run into again

Neurotypical males usually don't want to run into a woman after a failed approach or a failed first date.

You've taken one common practice from neurotypicals to the most extreme level possible.

Neurotypical males will try to avoid running into a woman after a failed approach or failed first date. Neurotypical males won't let it interfere with their lives.

In a big city, it doesn't take much effort to avoid running into a woman after a failed approach or failed first date.

Neurotypical males will also try to avoid seeing ex-girlfriends to some extent as well. They won't let it interfere with their lives, but they might make changes.

As an example, let's say that a neurotypical male and neurotypical female end a 1 year long dating relationship where they met in an LA Fitness gym location. One of the two people will stop going to that particular LA Fitness location. One person is likely to get a gym membership elsewhere to avoid that negative situation.

my rebuttal to your claim that I should shoot my shot with a woman from a different workplace in my office building. The fact I might get laid off soon, or the woman might change jobs soon, isn't a good enough reason to do an askout)

For a neurotypical man, it would be a good reason to ask a woman on a date.

In bigger office buildings/complexes (10+ stories or more), it's highly unlikely to run into any one specific woman in the building lobby or building parking area more than once every couple of months. If a man can get a good 3-5 minute conversation in these areas and the elevator, then he should ask her on a date and not worry about the future if there is a rejection. If a man doesn't ask a woman out in that moment, he also risks not seeing her for months at a time and not getting a second chance to ask her on a date.

Layoffs and job changes also help with not seeing the same woman regularly.

 

[GoodMan32]

Retail store locations have a bit less strict of a work environment with harassment claims than corporate office locations.



Neurotypical males usually don't want to run into a woman after a failed approach or a failed first date.

You've taken one common practice from neurotypicals to the most extreme level possible.

Neurotypical males will try to avoid running into a woman after a failed approach or failed first date. Neurotypical males won't let it interfere with their lives.

In a big city, it doesn't take much effort to avoid running into a woman after a failed approach or failed first date.

Neurotypical males will also try to avoid seeing ex-girlfriends to some extent as well. They won't let it interfere with their lives, but they might make changes.

As an example, let's say that a neurotypical male and neurotypical female end a 1 year long dating relationship where they met in an LA Fitness gym location. One of the two people will stop going to that particular LA Fitness location. One person is likely to get a gym membership elsewhere to avoid that negative situation.



For a neurotypical man, it would be a good reason to ask a woman on a date.

In bigger office buildings/complexes (10+ stories or more), it's highly unlikely to run into any one specific woman in the building lobby or building parking area more than once every couple of months. If a man can get a good 3-5 minute conversation in these areas and the elevator, then he should ask her on a date and not worry about the future if there is a rejection. If a man doesn't ask a woman out in that moment, he also risks not seeing her for months at a time and not getting a second chance to ask her on a date.

Layoffs and job changes also help with not seeing the same woman regularly.

When there's a scenario I really don't want to be in, I take extreme measures to avoid it. A common trait of autists.

The fact it's been more than a decade since I've asked out a woman I had reason to believe I'd cross paths with again is only one example.

The fact my phobia of pregnancy has led me to bag a lot of much older cooches is yet another example.

I'm aware it's possible I might not see any given woman in my office building for a while (so I might miss a possible chance if I don't ask her out right then and there). But then there's also a decent chance I will cross paths with her soon (since my office building is significantly smaller than 10 floors). The risk of crossing paths with her again scares me out of an askout. I'd rather risk missing an opportunity than risk crossing paths with a rejecter.

I've probably missed a decent amount of opportunities through the years because of this fear. Oh well. As much as it sucks to think of all the opportunities I've missed, crossing paths with rejecters sucks way more.

My fear isn't entirely unfounded. Nearly every time I've done an askout offline, I've been rejected.

 

[SW15]

I'd rather risk missing an opportunity than risk crossing paths with a rejecter.....As much as it sucks to think of all the opportunities I've missed, crossing paths with rejecters sucks way more.

Crossing paths with a person that rejects a first date is often a non-event. It's unpleasant. Most of the time, both the male and the female don't want to acknowledge it. It does depend upon the situation surrounding the rejection.

Crossing paths with a person that ghosts/flakes after a first or second date without sex is also unpleasant. It's mainly a non-event. In a big city, this is also improbable.

I don't like either of these scenarios but I won't let those scenarios interfere with my life. I've seen rejectors of my first date offers at my gym for a time until they changed gyms.

The absolute worst one is seeing a longer term ex-girlfriend and it ended badly.

The best thing about big cities is that these interactions can be minimized.

The fact my phobia of pregnancy has led me to bag a lot of much older cooches is yet another example.

There are plenty of neurotypicals who don't want to get women pregnant. A good portion of SoSuave forum participants aren't wanting to get women pregnant.

Neurotypical males will use condoms to prevent pregnancy and STDs.

Additionally, it's very common for younger women to use birth control. There are many interactions where a neurotypical man uses a condom while having sex with a neurotypical female using birth control.

You have way overblown a fear of pregnancy. You've taken it to the most extreme and most ridiculous level possible.

My fear isn't entirely unfounded. Nearly every time I've done an askout offline, I've been rejected.

That's a combination of not demonstrating enough value in a roughly 5 minute in-person interaction with a stranger. Value is demonstrated through looks, money, status, and personality.

Your looks are #1. Your looks aren't top tier. Being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular is the ideal.

Your personality is turning off women, sometimes very quickly.

Approaching women in real life is challenging. Women in bars/nightlife venues are usually seeking new penis, but are very guarded and defensive. Biatch shields are way up there. In non-bar venues, the majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting. Non-bar approaching is inefficient by design (see video below). You have also compounded the problem by selecting a target market (women far older than you are) who are not inclined to have sexual interactions with younger men.

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Additionally, you have a small sample size of offline askouts and offline approaches in general. Guys like @nicksaiz65 (who does 30+ approach nights) and I have way bigger sample sizes on women we've approached in real life. @nicksaiz65 often approaches more women in one night at a bar than you have approached in real life in the last 15 years.

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[BaronOfHair]

When there's a scenario I really don't want to be in, I take extreme measures to avoid it

And that's flatlining your social life faster than a burka obliterates a stripper's prospects for breaking the bank

 

[SW15]

@GoodMan32

Earlier in this thread, @BeExcellent gave you an assignment to work on your in-person interactions. She gave that assignment on April 21. Have you completed it yet?

The idea that rejection is nothing personal

You really cannot because we are all human at the end of the day. Even rejections that builds us up is hard to take in. If you tell me that being rejected does not phase you then I know you are lying to me. No because I do not like being told that I am unattractive/undatable by women that I...

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