"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Why is OLD the last couple years borderline unusable??

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Aren't you already seeing a mental health professional? Ask them.
I haven't brought up that specific issue much but yeah. Even if I get more confidence in trying it still does nothing for the issue that I'm never in any situations where I'm naturally meeting women tho
 

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I haven't brought up that specific issue much but yeah. Even if I get more confidence in trying it still does nothing for the issue that I'm never in any situations where I'm naturally meeting women tho
You need to bring the issue up with your mental health professional. You will also need to go out into the real world more and naturally meet women. You're not alone in the problem I described in the last sentence. It takes a lot of real world time to meet women. I have had 2 hour daygame sessions on a popular walking path in my city where I have had 0-1 approaches because there were few women who seemed receptive to an approach.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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You need to bring the issue up with your mental health professional. You will also need to go out into the real world more and naturally meet women. You're not alone in the problem I described in the last sentence. It takes a lot of real world time to meet women. I have had 2 hour daygame sessions on a popular walking path in my city where I have had 0-1 approaches because there were few women who seemed receptive to an approach.
It's gonna take me a while to find things I can even do since daygame isn't much of an option for me
 

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I have a friend that gets good looking women all the time on Hinge. Are you guys exaggerating how bad the sites are nowadays?
For what it's worth Hinge is better than tinder or bumble, even if it's given me diminishing returns over the years
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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WOW JUST WOW. I decided to create a fake online dating profile just so I can see what kinda ladies were on the site and OMG. You guys were right. I still cant believe what I saw on there. Id say 90% of the women were either overweight or they had multiple kids. I thought you guys were exaggerating about this. Im in shock that it is this bad. 10 years ago it was great. It doesnt make sense why this is like this now. I dont understand what has caused this
Been trying to say that too. Before Covid OLD sucked but it was still useable. Even throwing up a couple crappy pics you could still get some results. The women were also much better looking back then and more of them. I mean still mostly crap but much easier to get replies and dates and numbers. 90 percent seems right. 10 percent of the women under 50 on OLD are cute. Other 90 full of tats, fat, or just ugly or all three. yet they're becoming more pay to play. I can't believe anyone would pay for the crap on there now. FB dating was okay back in 2020 and 2021 and it is free! Not it's POF and Tinder style garbage too. Even Match which had the hottest women before covid is dead now.
 

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They've gotten phucked out and are revenge-seeking and trolling.

WOW JUST WOW. I decided to create a fake online dating profile just so I can see what kinda ladies were on the site and OMG. You guys were right. I still cant believe what I saw on there. Id say 90% of the women were either overweight or they had multiple kids. I thought you guys were exaggerating about this. Im in shock that it is this bad. 10 years ago it was great. It doesnt make sense why this is like this now. I dont understand what has caused this
It can illuminating to create a fake profile of the opposite sex.
 

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Can I just say my experience once again does not relate to what most posters are describing.

I am meeting hot women constantly from OLD with little effort and it actually is getting easier over the years. Ya'll are doing something wrong.
 

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It would always be useful to know what dating market people are in when they make claims about quality. Country and city would be very useful.
 

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What sites are using and are you using the same lines and same game to get them? Can you give us some tips?
I've only used Hinge for a long time now

I don't use the same lines at all I send tailored responses based on their profile or what they opened me with. 99% of my interactions start from likes/comments on my profile. I am convinced guys just have dogshvt photos. Need to be good quality photos with variety. Selfies or NPC pics like hunting/fishing are a big no-no.

It would always be useful to know what dating market people are in when they make claims about quality. Country and city would be very useful.
I would but don't want to disclose that. Medium-small city in US that I happen to think has a surprisingly high amount of hot women per capita - I've heard a couple of guys who travel a lot say the same thing.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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