ThisIsSparta
Master Don Juan
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Gentlemen, Don Juans, Seducers, Blackpillers, Redpillers, whatever pillers i am interested in LTR demographics here on SS.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
This is what tends to happen in relationships that exceed 5 years. Relationships that exceed 5 years are often subpar to mediocre at best.7 years was my longest -- and a couple of points of interest:
1. I could still be in that relationship if I didn't mind being miserable; and
2. I should have exited that relationship probably about two years earlier than I did -- but stayed due to my daughter.
Actually, sex was never a major problem with my ex wife. That was still fairly regular until about the last 4-5 months when the end was becoming very imminent. The relationship, however, had trouble for a number of years for other reasons unrelated and to which aren't worth bogging this thread down with.This is what tends to happen in relationships that exceed 5 years. Relationships that exceed 5 years are often subpar to mediocre at best.
When people that exit 10, 15, or 20 year long relationships, they will say that they stayed far too long in those relationships. One of the reasons people stay too long in relationships is the children that they have with that relationship partner. However, there are also childless LTRs that last too long.
Freedom is awesome. You've found a way to get laid without being in a miserable relationship. The miserable relationship likely only included 1-2 times a month of sex for the last 2 years anyway.
My idea on the 5 year shelf life of goodness for relationships has been one of my major ideological contributions to this forum.I think generally speaking you are correct about the 5 year shelf-life on most relationships.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You're 55+ now. If you were to date women 45+ now, they won't be able to get pregnant now anyway.It never seems to last more than a few months for me.OK, I've a few that were off & on for more than that, but only about 3 months worth if compressed down. I think it takes that long for the gal to start thinking that she doesn't want short sons.
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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You literally hit the nail on the head here ! I was in a LTR which recently ended. I always held the frame. Easy because I started with her purely f9r sex. She was eager to please , aggreeable and fun for EXACTLY five years. Over these five years , I gave her expensive gifts, exotic vacations and the best sex of her life ( as per her ! ). Even though I say so myself , I really banged her hard and good. Last six months however , for no famthomable reason , I wasn't as funny anymore, the desire to please was gone and arguments and drama started. The old me would have tried to appease and make extra effort . Luckily for me , I had found this forum and also read Rollo. I ended it instantly. Point I'm trying to make here : We hit it off fivecand the half years ago and the good lasted for EXACTLY five years !My idea on the 5 year shelf life of goodness for relationships has been one of my major ideological contributions to this forum.
5 years of a good relationship is a sign of a better than average frame. A weaker frame shortens the shelf life of goodness, even if the relationship exceeds 5 years. It wouldn't be unusual to see a beta male with an average frame or a weaker frame have a 7-10 year long relationship with only 3 good years. There are even long-ish relationships (like 3-4 years) where the good times of the relationship were only about 2 years.
After 5 years, most men run into problems on declining quality in their relationships. Most men also lose frame to some degree in the LTRs that exceed 5 years.
I've seen one of my friends go from a guy who had sex with many women from nightlife venues to turning into a typical beta male who checks with his wife before socializing with me. How did he go from what appeared to be an alpha with higher notch count to a typical beta? Also, I don't think his frame loss issues are uncommon in LTRs and marriages.
I've also seen other friends stay in LTRs (even childless LTRs) way beyond the duration of goodness in the relationship.
That's too bad that happened, though I'm glad you were able to move on.5 years with my kids mom. Then she started snorting pain killers and banging other men.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.