Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[Plinco]

Do you pay for the dates with these girls that are 15-20years younger than you? I bet you've never told them you weren't paying.

I don't pay, at least not more than a few bucks. Not every age gap indicates the relationship is transactional.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Do you pay for the dates with these girls that are 15-20years younger than you? I bet you've never told them you weren't paying.

I pay for the gas to pick up a girl and take her somewhere or to go over to her house. See how stupid that argument is? That isn't me paying for sex.

I'm 32, going on 33, and 6'4" and one of the fittest guys at my gym and I have a hard time with the dating market, I guarantee that there are very few men around my age or older that are pulling women in their late teens and early 20s. The vast majority of these cases will involve either a sugar baby-daddy type relationship, there are some exceptions of course though. Most guys that are 30+ and approaching their 40s, or possibly even beyond this, are out of shape, sporting a stomach to some degree and have some boring and mundane career that they are focused on, this is not something that most women in their party years will be going for.

Why are you replying to me when you just said the reason why some men fail at getting younger women? And this is only one part of the equation. Even older men get young p*ssy. We've seen it. Some guys have money to appeal to a high life. Some guys can sing [you probably forgot about the magician archetype], some guys can charm in other ways. It has happened and keeps happening. You guys are talking from your pov, a position of failure. I'm talking from a position of success.

 

[Snag87]

I've got a great friend who bangs hot hookers on a regular basis. He gave up on dating years ago.

Why? Because it allowed him to focus 110% on his business. He doesn't answer to any one. He doesn't have a woman nagging at him. He doesn't have to worry about her birthday, anniversary, or why she is mad at him.

This guy is rich, tall, good looking, alpha like, smart, etc. He simply has no tolerance for bullschitt and drama, and you can't escape those things unless you pay for it directly.

Not a dahmn thing wrong with that either.

As a man ages, his patience for a woman's theatrics diminishes. You see things more clearly.

You guys that think your girl is with you just because she thinks the world of you are on an ego trip. All men are providers it just varies by degree and type. You are paying in some form.

Are you referring to emotional support? Because I've had relationships where I haven't provided anything financially.

 

[sangheilios]

I've got a great friend who bangs hot hookers on a regular basis. He gave up on dating years ago.

Why? Because it allowed him to focus 110% on his business. He doesn't answer to any one. He doesn't have a woman nagging at him. He doesn't have to worry about her birthday, anniversary, or why she is mad at him.

This guy is rich, tall, good looking, alpha like, smart, etc. He simply has no tolerance for bullschitt and drama, and you can't escape those things unless you pay for it directly.

Not a dahmn thing wrong with that either.

As a man ages, his patience for a woman's theatrics diminishes. You see things more clearly.

You guys that think your girl is with you just because she thinks the world of you are on an ego trip. All men are providers it just varies by degree and type. You are paying in some form.

And this is the benefit of hiring escorts/hookers. Forming and maintaining relationships takes a lot of time and energy that could potentially detract from your other pursuits. If you are purely interested in just sex then this is the perfect way to go about it. You get straight to the point and then move on with your life. Let's face it, swiping through dating apps, hitting up the local nightlife and going out on dates takes time and energy, even if you are just looking for a one night stand, casual relationship, etc. If you are focused on your career or life goals you don't have time for any of this by itself, then when you factor in the drama and energy needed it may not be worth it, as is the case with your friend.

Now, if your goal is to find a woman to develop a relationship with then obviously this is not how you go about it. For some men, hiring professionals is not a good idea and could create some issues. Some men may develop attachments to escorts, particularly those they've seen more than once. This is especially the case for men that lack experience, emotional maturity or who struggle with women as a whole. It will also create some weird expectations that don't fly with women that you met in a more normal way.Also, when you visit a professional it's not the same as being with a woman that is genuinely into you and naturally has a very different feeling to it all together, no pun intended. Those women are there for your money and don't necessarily like you, this is where finding good providers is important though. Something else that I personally don't like about visiting escorts is that many of them have issues with drugs, just gives me a vibe of not wanting to associate with someone like that. More obvious issues are related to the law and high likelihood of being exposed to STDs.

 

[corrector]

I smashed 7 brasses, maybe 8.

I never forget the second time I did, I was about 25, this girl was about 18, hot, likely trafficked from Eastern Europe. I know now she was new to the game as she had no idea what to do. We started kissing on the bed after about a minute of us sitting there she asking what I wanted to do, like a first date back at your mums house when you’re 17, she gave me head with the condom on, I recorded her slyly on my iPhone 5 and I smashed her after, the condom broke, I kept going in doggy for 10 mins got some great footage of me stealth barebacking her, pushed her on the bed and prone boned her for about 5-10. Remember my sweat dripping off my nose into her back, some girl banged on the door and shouting something in Romanian, I pumped harder. Nut deep inside her, feigned shock and horror at my bare baton when I pulled out. She rushed me out saying she had to shower.

I walked home down the road thinking she prob sucked all the lube off the dom that’s why it broke. Serves her right for not sucking it bare, I watched the video while walking home and later masturbated to it. I lost that phone and all my pornos about 6 months later but the scenes are etched into my mind. You would never find a young hot fresh hooker like that and get to creampie it.

I wonder if gave birth to my kid.

Did that escort have any racial exclusions/preferences on her ad?

 

[corrector]

@EyeBRollin , Just for the record I never had vaginal sex with any escort. I just visited them and refused sex with them when they verbally asked me or when she was on top of my hard and I shoved her away before it could go in. I just wanted to see how far I would go when paying for a temptation event. I think I went to far with the second escort despite what I said here. This was why I felt punished afterwards.

 

[pipeman84]

Just spitting facts. I met women at festivals for example, where I had no clue of her past or even her current situation at that time When the spark is there all that matters is satisfaction from both sides. When we mentally also click why the hell would I care about other D she sucked or not?

Is this about the chase for virgings again? Believe me , your brain has the capacity to get over a woman's past and enjoy her for who she is.

If you fvck a girl you just met at a festival, unless you're an Olympic mental gymnast, you can't get past the reality she's not having sex with YOU as a unique human being, but with YOU as a dyck. Oh, but it's your dyck, not some other guy's present at the festival...in THAT moment, indeed, just like in THAT moment it's your dyck that's fvckin' the escort, not of some other dude walking down the street and having 100eur in his pocket. Same thing, a dyck penetrating a hoe.

Now, if it's a repeat thing with the said modern hoe from the festival, it's not any different in my view from being a regular with a particular escort you vibe with. If one aims to a higher level than just two persons rubbing their genitals, that can't be achieved with escorts or modern hoes. Hence the saying, don't try to turn a hoe into a housewife.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

You're quoting a line to contraddict me on something you didnt even understand...does the line " an average middle aged men cant run game on a young hottie and succeed " which you're quoting is too hard for you to understand?

In case it's not beyond obvious, the average middle aged man" is 45/50, is 5'9, dad bod, not wealthy.

The only hotties this guys gets are the dishes at home from the washing machine and if somebody think otherwise he should stop sniffing glue.

 

[Igetit!]

But don't you also feel empty after you fvcked a girl who you know she has already been doggy fvcked by who knows how many other dudes? And that she had their c0cks in her mouth? And whatever she says during sex and after, she's said it to others?

Hmm.......

So...........you only date virgins?

 

[pipeman84]

Hmm.......

So...........you only date virgins?

Let's just say that I abort mission the moment I get the modern hoe vibe.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Thinking about it. It makes sense in a way that women will shame them since it removes their only power over men. Once men know the price of pvssy most women will be afraid. Therefore they shame men from using them etc.
If a woman knows a guy has used them, she is in constant dread. Thinking if she withholds sex he can just buy sex.

It's basic submission to **** game and a rubbish existence. Ironically enough, it's all transactional in the west. It's why passport Bros is a thing.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Take away sex, and women will need to improve other areas of their life to get a man... It's always been like this through out history.

 

[eli77]

And this is the benefit of hiring escorts/hookers. Forming and maintaining relationships takes a lot of time and energy that could potentially detract from your other pursuits. If you are purely interested in just sex then this is the perfect way to go about it. You get straight to the point and then move on with your life. Let's face it, swiping through dating apps, hitting up the local nightlife and going out on dates takes time and energy, even if you are just looking for a one night stand, casual relationship, etc. If you are focused on your career or life goals you don't have time for any of this by itself, then when you factor in the drama and energy needed it may not be worth it, as is the case with your friend.

Now, if your goal is to find a woman to develop a relationship with then obviously this is not how you go about it. For some men, hiring professionals is not a good idea and could create some issues. Some men may develop attachments to escorts, particularly those they've seen more than once. This is especially the case for men that lack experience, emotional maturity or who struggle with women as a whole. It will also create some weird expectations that don't fly with women that you met in a more normal way.Also, when you visit a professional it's not the same as being with a woman that is genuinely into you and naturally has a very different feeling to it all together, no pun intended. Those women are there for your money and don't necessarily like you, this is where finding good providers is important though. Something else that I personally don't like about visiting escorts is that many of them have issues with drugs, just gives me a vibe of not wanting to associate with someone like that. More obvious issues are related to the law and high likelihood of being exposed to S.TDs.

Which is the case in most cities in the south

 

[eli77]

I smashed 7 brasses, maybe 8.

I never forget the second time I did, I was about 25, this girl was about 18, hot, likely trafficked from Eastern Europe. I know now she was new to the game as she had no idea what to do. We started kissing on the bed after about a minute of us sitting there she asking what I wanted to do, like a first date back at your mums house when you’re 17, she gave me head with the condom on, I recorded her slyly on my iPhone 5 and I smashed her after, the condom broke, I kept going in doggy for 10 mins got some great footage of me stealth barebacking her, pushed her on the bed and prone boned her for about 5-10. Remember my sweat dripping off my nose into her back, some girl banged on the door and shouting something in Romanian, I pumped harder. Nut deep inside her, feigned shock and horror at my bare baton when I pulled out. She rushed me out saying she had to shower.

I walked home down the road thinking she prob sucked all the lube off the dom that’s why it broke. Serves her right for not sucking it bare, I watched the video while walking home and later masturbated to it. I lost that phone and all my pornos about 6 months later but the scenes are etched into my mind. You would never find a young hot fresh hooker like that and get to creampie it.

I wonder if gave birth to my kid.

Where are you again?

 

[Gamisch]

If you fvck a girl you just met at a festival, unless you're an Olympic mental gymnast, you can't get past the reality she's not having sex with YOU as a unique human being, but with YOU as a dyck. Oh, but it's your dyck, not some other guy's present at the festival...in THAT moment, indeed, just like in THAT moment it's your dyck that's fvckin' the escort, not of some other dude walking down the street and having 100eur in his pocket. Same thing, a dyck penetrating a hoe.

Now, if it's a repeat thing with the said modern hoe from the festival, it's not any different in my view from being a regular with a particular escort you vibe with. If one aims to a higher level than just two persons rubbing their genitals, that can't be achieved with escorts or modern hoes. Hence the saying, don't try to turn a hoe into a housewife.

C'mon now man. I salute every woman that ever fancied me for having great taste. Thats why I love to be in places with lots of women, there will always be few that like me.You talk about mental gymnastics, but it's you who is turning and twisting every scenario towards a negative end result.

Let's say you meet your virging unicorn Disney princess. Are you gonna say she "only picked you because you happened to be there". Geuss what, being at the right pace at the right time is a key element of success stories in life, whether that's career oriented or about ones love life. With this mentality you'll end up constantly monitoring if " she still thinks you are one of a kind and unique " ,instead of assuming you are the shyte.

Sometimes I dont get this forum. Imo a DJ is more than just a RP guy. Sure, RP is a key element to understand female nature, but the DJ finds ways to benefit from this knowledge while most RP dudes cant get passed the "stage of rage"(because their Disney dreams were shattered) and turn black pill.

I know your type. We could go to a festival with thousands of beautiful women, and yet you'll find a way to retreat yourself into a corner with a sad face waiting till some virging unicorn sits next to you and the fairy tale starts . That's not how life works.

I wonder how you do this in real life. I wonder how many experiences you have with virgins.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

C'mon now man. I salute every woman that ever fancied me for having great taste. Thats why I love to be in places with lots of women, there will always be few that like me.You talk about mental gymnastics, but it's you who is trying and twisting every scenario towards a negative end result.

shvt like this is why I think the Red Pill is a cult. They turn everything into a doom gloom scenario to fit their cult like vision of life. I grew up in a cult church and the shvt they say mirrors a lot of what they would tell us. I know people that have gotten married after hooking up at a concert.

 

[Gamisch]

shvt like this is why I think the Red Pill is a cult. They turn everything into a doom gloom scenario to fit their cult like vision of life. I grew up in a cult church and the shvt they say mirrors a lot of what they would tell us. I know people that have gotten married after hooking up at a concert.

These are the most dangerous types of men out there for women. Essentially they hate women with a passion, and they will constantly display their own insecurities to them, yet don't understand why it repels women.

When I made my post I forgot to say they should simply convert to Islam, problem solved. Imo on this forum we strive to become better men, to get more and better experiences out of this short life

Let's just say that I abort mission the moment I get the modern hoe vibe.

You are 38. How does this work for you so far? If you were 24 I could somehow understand this but 38? At what age do you give this mindset up . 60? So you will be a 59 y.o man looking for a virgin?

 

[Plinco]

You're quoting a line to contraddict me on something you didnt even understand...does the line " an average middle aged men cant run game on a young hottie and succeed " which you're quoting is too hard for you to understand?

In case it's not beyond obvious, the average middle aged man" is 45/50, is 5'9, dad bod, not wealthy.

The only hotties this guys gets are the dishes at home from the washing machine and if somebody think otherwise he should stop sniffing glue.

I suppose this depends on what your context for 'average' is. I was thinking in the context that an average dude and become someone awesome, or that it is possible for an average man to have the right mindset to pull off dating 20 yo's. Do most middle age men do this? of course not. But not impossible.

 

[pipeman84]

You are 38. How does this work for you so far? If you were 24 I could somehow understand this but 38? At what age do you give this mindset up . 60? So you will be a 59 y.o man looking for a virgin?

Man, at my age I've realized that masturbation, escorts and modern hoes are basically the same thing, only the ease of access to them varies depending on location, life style etc. So I'm not beating on guys choosing one instead of the other.

I know your type. We could go to a festival with thousands of beautiful women, and yet you'll find a way to retreat yourself into a corner with a sad face waiting till some virging unicorn sits next to you and the fairy tale starts . That's not how life works.

No it's not like that. I would just see it as a trip to Amsterdam.

 

[HaleyBaron]

You're quoting a line to contraddict me on something you didnt even understand...does the line " an average middle aged men cant run game on a young hottie and succeed " which you're quoting is too hard for you to understand?

In case it's not beyond obvious, the average middle aged man" is 45/50, is 5'9, dad bod, not wealthy.

The only hotties this guys gets are the dishes at home from the washing machine and if somebody think otherwise he should stop sniffing glue.

I just saw this kind of guy out in Dallas last weekend dressed in a suit with a hot blonde on his arm. She looked like she was in her early twenties. So um....