Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[pipeman84]

But it is a proof of desire. A woman is still sacrificing her time and giving a risk to hope that the man she is shacking up with is going to give her what she wants. And when he does, her desire becomes something money cannot buy. You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire. They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does. Thus, Captain Save A Ho.

No not money, but time, mental, emotional energy...each can appreciate for himself which is more valuable.
I agree with you that there are plenty cases of very sad men out there, otherwise there would be no OnlyFans for instance.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You should see how frustrated men are when the hookers they get never return that desire.

You know this from experience?

They want the girl to like him and only him no matter the money, and yet she never does.

Or they just want to bang a <insert fetish> girl.

 

[Hal9000]

As someone wisely once said, you aren't paying them for the sex, you're paying them to go away afterwards. Anyone who has dealt with a significant number of modern women can attest, its worth every cent not to have to deal with most of them once you're done.

 

[HaleyBaron]

As someone wisely once said, you aren't paying them for the sex, you're paying them to go away afterwards. Anyone who has dealt with a significant number of modern women can attest, its worth every cent not to have to deal with most of them once you're done.

Charlie Sheen was also a drug addict, so I'd be careful taking anything he say lightly.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Charlie Sheen was also a drug addict, so I'd be careful taking anything he say lightly.

That’s an ad hominem. What’s untruthful about his statement?

 

[Gamisch]

I do agree that the margin between normal women and hookers has decreased in difference. There's far more western women becoming wh*res than ever before.

I think we can agree that all women have the potential to be wh*res. Some men would claim that all women are wh*res just to get the obvious out of the way as they can become one eventually. And cheating wives has been a thing since the beginning of human civilization. The temptation is too good to pass up. So some people will go "Just get a hooker" to get to the endgame.

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

I agree with this to some extent.

My region has legal prostitution. Around 100-200 bucks a pop. If you are on a budget you can go further east and feck women for 30 bucks a pop. Mind you, these are mostly HOT (hb6-hb8)east European and Latin women. These are called " walking houses".

There are two types of guys, or maybe three; 1 .the guy who doesn't go. 2.The guy who does nothing but this 3. The guy in the middle.

Most men I know are 3. Social conditioning, shame and guilt , money..all reasons why men are reluctant to visit prostitutes. Going to the walking house can be a fun " guys night out" similar like going to the stripclub with some friends.

My experience. I am also type 3. I visited like 10 prostitutes in my life with various experiences. I mostly went after break ups and during dry spells. I am a fit big dude so most of the time the girls responded positive to my presence, although there is always a certain amount of acting going on.

It's a gamble whether the woman will be in to you, and you will only know AFTER you payed ..the best experience will happen when you pick one specific prostitute you can vibe with and become a regular , or when you pay more for the gfe (girl friend experience).

After some time I personally felt like ther is no win in it for me.

-the sex is subpar. If you know what passionate sex is like ,with a woman drooling over you , you know a hooker can't replicate that.

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

-during a dryspell it's a bandaid on a shot wound. Not only that, you'll *** way too quick . Even when you pay for a hour, after busting 2 nuts she'll tell you it's over. Argument with a hooker?= red button and some gorilla will kick you out. (This can happen at anytime by the way. Even when you payed and didn't had sex she can kick you out).

- to add to the last point, so you pay a 100 bucks to feck 10-15 minutes. How often can you do that? 3 times a week? 1 time a month?

- it's bad for my own conscious. At some point I was like feck it I might as well feck a hbsub5 and save money. It lowers my self esteem somehow. When I am at my best and got some women left right a hooker wouldn't even be on my mind, so that says it all right . There is no game involved, aside from you being your best, nice clothes, ripped, smelling good ect.

- its imo a depressing thing. Both you and the woman are "pathetic ". That evens it out a little. She is a ho3 and you are a incel. Nice to meet ya. Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

-its actually quite dangerous and risky .There is always the chance the condom slips. You can get tuberculosis. Skin diseases and lice are a option. If you meet them at their or your own home you can get scammed or robbed real easy.

I can go on and on. This is all from the male pov obviously. Oh , and you DON'T necessarily want the hottest girl in the room. The hotter ones are stuck up. Aim a little lower and you might at least get a freak. Personally I haven't done this in years even though the option is always available.

Its kinda like most recreational "stuff ". Take too much of it and it will have consequences.

 

[corrector]

But still these are "not my proudest notches".

You count that as a notch?

Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

This.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with this to some extent.

My region has legal prostitution. Around 100-200 bucks a pop. If you are on a budget you can go further east and feck women for 30 bucks a pop. Mind you, these are mostly HOT (hb6-hb8)east European and Latin women. These are called " walking houses".

There are two types of guys, or maybe three; 1 .the guy who doesn't go. 2.The guy who does nothing but this 3. The guy in the middle.

Most men I know are 3. Social conditioning, shame and guilt , money..all reasons why men are reluctant to visit prostitutes. Going to the walking house can be a fun " guys night out" similar like going to the stripclub with some friends.

My experience. I am also type 3. I visited like 10 prostitutes in my life with various experiences. I mostly went after break ups and during dry spells. I am a fit big dude so most of the time the girls responded positive to my presence, although there is always a certain amount of acting going on.

It's a gamble whether the woman will be in to you, and you will only know AFTER you payed ..the best experience will happen when you pick one specific prostitute you can vibe with and become a regular , or when you pay more for the gfe (girl friend experience).

After some time I personally felt like ther is no win in it for me.

-the sex is subpar. If you know what passionate sex is like ,with a woman drooling over you , you know a hooker can't replicate that.

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

-during a dryspell it's a bandaid on a shot wound. Not only that, you'll *** way too quick . Even when you pay for a hour, after busting 2 nuts she'll tell you it's over. Argument with a hooker?= red button and some gorilla will kick you out. (This can happen at anytime by the way. Even when you payed and didn't had sex she can kick you out).

- to add to the last point, so you pay a 100 bucks to feck 10-15 minutes. How often can you do that? 3 times a week? 1 time a month?

- it's bad for my own conscious. At some point I was like feck it I might as well feck a hbsub5 and save money. It lowers my self esteem somehow. When I am at my best and got some women left right a hooker wouldn't even be on my mind, so that says it all right . There is no game involved, aside from you being your best, nice clothes, ripped, smelling good ect.

- its imo a depressing thing. Both you and the woman are "pathetic ". That evens it out a little. She is a ho3 and you are a incel. Nice to meet ya. Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

-its actually quite dangerous and risky .There is always the chance the condom slips. You can get tuberculosis. Skin diseases and lice are a option. If you meet them at their or your own home you can get scammed or robbed real easy.

I can go on and on. This is all from the male pov obviously. Oh , and you DON'T necessarily want the hottest girl in the room. The hotter ones are stuck up. Aim a little lower and you might at least get a freak. Personally I haven't done this in years even though the option is always available.

Its kinda like most recreational "stuff ". Take too much of it and it will have consequences.

Like I said it bad for your overall game . The type 2 dude, who solely relies on hookers, has bad game. Type of guy with lots of money but due looks or lack of charisma he doesn't know how to close the gap.

Some guys here go out clubbing, but the eagerness to pull women isnt there because they know they can go to a club or simply visit a site and get their D wet. Or they make the infamous calculation . Saying that going out with a random Tinder date spending money twice and not fecking is wasted money what could be spend on guaranteed pvssy .

When you are a cliche incel this wont push you to become better. You can spend ten years going to hookers and learn absolutely nothing about women.

A semi chad might use them for fun but would rather get the real passion .

 

[Gamisch]

You count that as a notch?



This.

It is a sexual experience. Your subconscious will count it as a notch. No way around it. That's why it can break your self esteem and aura, when you have more hooker notches than "normal "ones.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Like how we are born to not kill our own family at least at the beginning, we are born with an inherit knowing that there is shame with paying for sex or for a woman at that. It goes deeper than logic and is ingrained in us. I am pretty sure it is evolutionary, too.

 

[jaymbrs]

As funny as this sounds, I feel a sense of accomplishment being 36 and not resorting to paying for sex.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I agree with this to some extent.

My region has legal prostitution. Around 100-200 bucks a pop. If you are on a budget you can go further east and feck women for 30 bucks a pop. Mind you, these are mostly HOT (hb6-hb8)east European and Latin women. These are called " walking houses".

There are two types of guys, or maybe three; 1 .the guy who doesn't go. 2.The guy who does nothing but this 3. The guy in the middle.

Most men I know are 3. Social conditioning, shame and guilt , money..all reasons why men are reluctant to visit prostitutes. Going to the walking house can be a fun " guys night out" similar like going to the stripclub with some friends.

My experience. I am also type 3. I visited like 10 prostitutes in my life with various experiences. I mostly went after break ups and during dry spells. I am a fit big dude so most of the time the girls responded positive to my presence, although there is always a certain amount of acting going on.

It's a gamble whether the woman will be in to you, and you will only know AFTER you payed ..the best experience will happen when you pick one specific prostitute you can vibe with and become a regular , or when you pay more for the gfe (girl friend experience).

After some time I personally felt like ther is no win in it for me.

-the sex is subpar. If you know what passionate sex is like ,with a woman drooling over you , you know a hooker can't replicate that.

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

-during a dryspell it's a bandaid on a shot wound. Not only that, you'll *** way too quick . Even when you pay for a hour, after busting 2 nuts she'll tell you it's over. Argument with a hooker?= red button and some gorilla will kick you out. (This can happen at anytime by the way. Even when you payed and didn't had sex she can kick you out).

- to add to the last point, so you pay a 100 bucks to feck 10-15 minutes. How often can you do that? 3 times a week? 1 time a month?

- it's bad for my own conscious. At some point I was like feck it I might as well feck a hbsub5 and save money. It lowers my self esteem somehow. When I am at my best and got some women left right a hooker wouldn't even be on my mind, so that says it all right . There is no game involved, aside from you being your best, nice clothes, ripped, smelling good ect.

- its imo a depressing thing. Both you and the woman are "pathetic ". That evens it out a little. She is a ho3 and you are a incel. Nice to meet ya. Most of these women are broken. Let's just say fecking a hot ,smart ,clean woman is not the same as fecking a hooker.

-its actually quite dangerous and risky .There is always the chance the condom slips. You can get tuberculosis. Skin diseases and lice are a option. If you meet them at their or your own home you can get scammed or robbed real easy.

I can go on and on. This is all from the male pov obviously. Oh , and you DON'T necessarily want the hottest girl in the room. The hotter ones are stuck up. Aim a little lower and you might at least get a freak. Personally I haven't done this in years even though the option is always available.

Its kinda like most recreational "stuff ". Take too much of it and it will have consequences.

Out of curiosity, what country is this?

 

[corrector]

As funny as this sounds, I feel a sense of accomplishment being 36 and not resorting to paying for sex.

Same gere. I paid for it at 38.

 

[The Duke]

So let's say you were just hooking up with random online girls. You went out on dates and never paid the bar/food bill. Do you think you would still get sehx? I think your chances are significantly reduced. So wouldnt that indicate you pay for sehx in some fashion, perhaps just indirectly?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

-the sex is subpar. If you know what passionate sex is like ,with a woman drooling over you , you know a hooker can't replicate that.

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

-during a dryspell it's a bandaid on a shot wound. Not only that, you'll *** way too quick . Even when you pay for a hour, after busting 2 nuts she'll tell you it's over. Argument with a hooker?= red button and some gorilla will kick you out. (This can happen at anytime by the way. Even when you payed and didn't had sex she can kick you out).

- to add to the last point, so you pay a 100 bucks to feck 10-15 minutes. How often can you do that? 3 times a week? 1 time a month?

This is why I think it's just an expensive form to masturbate. Sex with a hooker is nowhere compatible to sex with a girl with genuine interest in you.

 

[pipeman84]

- I felt empty afterwards. There is still a sense of shame to it. It's not something you talk about during Christmas dinner. Although I have to admit that sometimes during dryspells I had some nice women it was a great relief. But still these are "not my proudest notches".

But don't you also feel empty after you fvcked a girl who you know she has already been doggy fvcked by who knows how many other dudes? And that she had their c0cks in her mouth? And whatever she says during sex and after, she's said it to others?

 

[bat soup]

Thinking about it. It makes sense in a way that women will shame them since it removes their only power over men. Once men know the price of pvssy most women will be afraid. Therefore they shame men from using them etc.
If a woman knows a guy has used them, she is in constant dread. Thinking if she withholds sex he can just buy sex.

This is exactly why women oppose it. They want men to spend money on them in the hope of getting sex. Men won't do that if they can simply go direct.

 

[Gamisch]

But don't you also feel empty after you fvcked a girl who you know she has already been doggy fvcked by who knows how many other dudes? And that she had their c0cks in her mouth? And whatever she says during sex and after, she's said it to others?

No absolutely not.

There are like 4 billion women on this planet. Most wont like you, but when you do have mutual attraction , it can be pure and wild passion. Her past doesn't matter at that moment.

I would even say that you could meet a prostitute in a club or bar, not knowing she is one. The build up of the chase and the mutual attraction will make it a completely different experience than paying her to go through the motions.

But this is different for each man. I might feel a similar emptiness after fecking a woman below my SMV.

This is exactly why women oppose it. They want men to spend money on them in the hope of getting sex. Men won't do that if they can simply go direct.

In my post I mentioned it was from the male pov. Be careful what you wish for...

When prostitution becomes legal men might optionally have more sexual abundance, but on the other side of the spectrum you'll see women will use it as a feasible option when money is low. And "when money is low" is dependent upon ones personal lifestyle, taste ect. A woman that now works 2 jobs as a waitress or a cleaner would say feck this shyte, I can sell my v-g for a couple of months, , take a trip to Mexico and be good for the rest of the year.

Kinda like what happened with only fans, but in real life. In this era women will embrace it and they'll all think they are "high class prostitutes ".

 

[corrector]

But don't you also feel empty after you fvcked a girl who you know she has already been doggy fvcked by who knows how many other dudes? And that she had their c0cks in her mouth? And whatever she says during sex and after, she's said it to others?

There are way worst things then just empty.

 

[pipeman84]

No absolutely not.

There are like 4 billion women on this planet. Most wont like you, but when you do have mutual attraction , it can be pure and wild passion. Her past doesn't matter at that moment.

I would even say that you could meet a prostitute in a club or bar, not knowing she is one. The build up of the chase and the mutual attraction will make it a completely different experience than paying her to go through the motions.

That's Olympic level mental gymnastics you're doing there man. Nice if it works for you, I personally can't kid myself like that.