"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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OLD is rigged by the companies according to this video...

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Well just see this video (the sequence from were it starts 6.27 -->finish):

I never really liked OLD apps and sites and never used them much as I like the personal IRL approach. Neitherless its quite interesting to get the confirmation most of us suspect....
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I do think OLD apps are designed to keep you single
They are for profit corporations, so they are designed to make a profit for their owners... it's the job of the marketing department to convince their users that they are designed for something else.
 

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They are for profit corporations, so they are designed to make a profit for their owners... it's the job of the marketing department to convince their users that they are designed for something else.
You are just stating the obvious... ;)
 

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The fake profiles are fairly easy to spot and quite obvious should you interact with them.

The girl in the video needs a lozenge, badly.

You can't help but question her self-awareness when she dolls herself up visually but allows herself to sound like that on audio. And if you have a bad throat condition, don't do videos. It's like having an ugly person be a news anchor. Why?
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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They are for profit corporations, so they are designed to make a profit for their owners... it's the job of the marketing department to convince their users that they are designed for something else.
Correct! However the last couple years they have made it more pay to play! Bumble gives you a lot less swipes before you have to pay for the paid version. Same with Tinder. They give you a lot less swipes now before you gotta upgrade. Match has also taken features away.

Even then, the quality on OLD has gone down. Even Match, which up until about May 2020 had a lot of hot chicks. Now it's mostly land whales and post wall. Before covid for OLD terms it had quality women.
 

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Not surprised at all. I'm glad that I don't use the apps.
 

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They make money by showing you ads and selling their service. You hookup, they lose. Facebook dating is free and so is Instagram. IMHO the best apps that are good for dating.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I would average maybe 3 likes in a month.
If I swipe seriosuly I average maybe 10 matches a month and 5 are bots on Tinder
I noticed there aren't a lot of Bots on Bumble and Hinge(not saying they aren't there but it's lower)
OLD in 2022 is a waste of time where I live the average woman

Overweight
single mother
Time waster
Girl just wanting attention
Polygamous chick/wife looking for some sideaction (no thanks)

Every time I use a dating app I just feel like I'm wasting my time even if you get laid it's usually NOT WORTH IT
 

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Every time I use a dating app I just feel like I'm wasting my time even if you get laid it's usually NOT WORTH IT
The time and resources consumed of working hours on dating services vs. the output of investment = Inefficient investment

You be better of just saying "Hi" IRL to a cute girl when you see her in my opinion.

Unless you go "all nerd in" and program/code by yourself an AI that simultaneously allows you to date 49000 women like this dude:

 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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The time and resources consumed of working hours on dating services vs. the output of investment = Inefficient investment

You be better of just saying "Hi" IRL to a cute girl when you see her in my opinion.

Unless you go "all nerd in" and program/code by yourself an AI that simultaneously allows you to date 49000 women like this dude:

This is low-key Genius

The guy basically has a program that talks/sets dates up for him

I wish I was that smart, damn there are a lot of women in NYC
 

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Everyone of the dating sites: MATCH, BUMBLE, POF, OKSTUPID, TINDER and others has been sued numerous times for fraud, manipulation, use of bots, etc. Its a shady con-job where maximizing profits at any expense is the game they play.
 
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But hey "I use it as another option and get laid", and while that statement is slightly true and you can get laid from these platforms, you then ARE the problem. You continue to play their game. You continue to put all the power to women. And worse, you continue to devalue yourself and create a toxic/weak mindset. Like porn, you are tangibly wiring your brain in a very dangerous and isolating way.

Men need to have some dignity and self-worth and walk away from these platforms.

But again, "hey I only use it for this X reason, I don't take it seriously".

This is why I see threads about OLD, I simply do not engage anymore. It's pathetic.


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Everyone of the dating sites: MATCH, BUMBLE, POF, OKSTUPID, TINDER and others has been sued numerous times for fraud, manipulation, use of bots, etc. Its a shady con-job where maximizing profits at any expense is the game they play.
Match LLC owns Match, POF, Tinder, OKC etc. Match was sued and many of the profiles on Match are fake, the hot ones. This is part of the law suit.

That probably explains why the Match LLC owned websites the last couple years have hardly any hot looking women on them anymore because they were fake profiles match made. Took them down due to the legal action.

Because I see a lot of guys on here saying on OLD the last couple years a lot less hot women on it.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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