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I'm willing to bet it was either @BeExcellent or @catsmeow2 who voted for the other.
Learning from observing others will only take a person so far. Real knowledge and wisdom comes from personal experience. A virgin isn't going to learn how to have a healthy relationship by watching others, as the bulk of the important stuff happens behind closed doors, where it can't be observed.I don't think this applies nowadays with so much information at our fingertips...a 3 pump chump might appear to be a Sex Master to some virgin in a remote part of the world, but any girl with access to internet will know he's no good.
I've asked myself the same question and still haven't come up with an answer. Your argument against a virgin is that she hasn't dealt with one or more shi*y guys so she's really grateful once she meets you, the good guy. My argument against this would be...does a smart person really has to burn herself before realizing it's bad to stick fingers in fire? In other words, smart people learn from other's mistakes, life is too short for one to make all the mistakes necessary for learning. My main point against a virgin is that finding a 24-25yrs old virgin who is attractive and clinically sane would be a bit like winning the lottery.
The problem I have with the 1-3 long term boyfriends is that every past boyfriend is a hit on two very important characteristics of a girlfriend: loyalty and rational thinking. I mean, a girl with top loyalty and who properly vets her boyfriend will stay with her first guy for life (I was impressed to find out about Queen Elizabeth who set her eyes on Prince Phillip when she was 13 and he 18). Now, I know life is messy and people are not perfect, but still the question remains...where's the right balance between her learning from experience and loyalty being ireparably damaged ? 1,2,3 past boyfriends?
Loyal, committed women DO exist, and there are a lot of them. But we attract what we are and we repel what we aren't. If you're a player, the loyal women are going to sniff out your agenda from the get-go, and treat you cold. You will just "next" them, thinking their interest is too low; when, in reality, your approach to get sex quick just turned them off. Then you conclude there are none. But this is foolishness.
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Dude you are either the most naive person on the face of this earth or joking.I don't think this applies nowadays with so much information at our fingertips...a 3 pump chump might appear to be a Sex Master to some virgin in a remote part of the world, but any girl with access to internet will know he's no good.
I've asked myself the same question and still haven't come up with an answer. Your argument against a virgin is that she hasn't dealt with one or more shi*y guys so she's really grateful once she meets you, the good guy. My argument against this would be...does a smart person really has to burn herself before realizing it's bad to stick fingers in fire? In other words, smart people learn from other's mistakes, life is too short for one to make all the mistakes necessary for learning. My main point against a virgin is that finding a 24-25yrs old virgin who is attractive and clinically sane would be a bit like winning the lottery.
The problem I have with the 1-3 long term boyfriends is that every past boyfriend is a hit on two very important characteristics of a girlfriend: loyalty and rational thinking. I mean, a girl with top loyalty and who properly vets her boyfriend will stay with her first guy for life (I was impressed to find out about Queen Elizabeth who set her eyes on Prince Phillip when she was 13 and he 18). Now, I know life is messy and people are not perfect, but still the question remains...where's the right balance between her learning from experience and loyalty being ireparably damaged ? 1,2,3 past boyfriends?
Yeah it's too much of an exaggeration to say that there are no loyal committed women at all.
He took it to a wild extreme there but I think there is some merit to that idea.
A girl who only knows about sex from the internet might end up thinking that guys are supposed to have 10 inches and last for an hour.
I disagree. Haven't met one girl with strong character who was not a virgin. Staying untouched in this day and age if you look above average as a girl can be considered an almost-miracle. Virgin girls, out of choice, well into the their late teens and early 20s radiate a vibrant and magnetic charisma. Every man wanted them but only few were chosen into the pool of getting to know them properly. Also, when you are married you never have to wonder what, how often and with whom she did it. You have a clean conscience on this. As the saying goes: Popped cherry - no marry. No hymen, no diamond.
Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
and the high quality, LTR/wife material ones.
To weed out the low interest ones is enough to follow Doc Love's 2nd date rule...no kiss by the end of second date or cheek kiss, next. But many people on this forum next if she doesn't have sex by the 2nd date. It comes down to the guy having a clear intention before approaching the girl...is it with the intention of LTR (where you're very selective ie a sniper approach and where quick sex means you've misjudged her potential) or sex (where you approach almost anyone ie machine-gun approach and you're quick to next if she doesn't put out fast)I don't mean Pornhub, I mean YouTube.
A lot of long lasting married couples that I know have been together since high school. But it must be hard to keep her when she goes through those early 20s years when she is at peak attractiveness, and there is the big pull to go party.
I don't follow the mainstream school of thought that somehow being more reluctant to have sex or being a less sexual person is a sign of quality or value. I think most people's ideal relationship has lots of wild sex in it.and the high quality, LTR/wife material ones.
I agree with you here, I think only 2 dates is too short. But I assume the people saying that have so many dates they don't have time for girls that aren't putting out.To weed out the low interest ones is enough to follow Doc Love's 2nd date rule...no kiss by the end of second date or cheek kiss, next. But many people on this forum next if she doesn't have sex by the 2nd date
This is also pretty interesting, I've never seen it broken down like this but I see your logic. I've been doing the latter approach without even realizing this.
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
