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Would you rather screw slvts -- or get into a LTR with a loyal woman you deflowered?

What would you rather do?

  • Screw a multitude of slvts all day, every day

  • Commit to a loyal woman where you took her virginity


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I could see that happening, but in this hypothetical question she is also a loyal woman. If you're going to dream, might as well dream big.
What if she’s loyal, but ugly or just annoying after the initial rush has worn off?

Theres a lot of variables which aren’t answered.
 

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I don't understand the notion that only virgins can be loyal. Loyalty is part of one's character like honesty and integrity.

A woman might be a virgin but have the most piss poor character you've ever seen, and her reasons for being a virgin should also be considered.

Not all virgins are pure and innocent snowflakes, ok her vagina has never been touched but as I said she might have poor character, lack integrity and honesty and turn out to be the most disloyal girlfriend you've ever had.

You can't know any of that simply based on her being a virgin. That's delusional thinking imo, no disrespect.

I agree with what @DoubleBarrel posted specifically that we ALL both men and women, learn the most from our failures and experiences.

Failure/experience does not automatically translate to being bitter and jaded, for either gender.

I've had three serious long term relationships which is where I gained my sexual experience.

They didn't work out for various reasons, I ended them, but I learned a great deal from each and every one of them and I took the knowledge and wisdom I gained into my next relationship and now into my current relationship.

All of it has made me a better girlfriend and human being. And I'm every bit as loyal as I was with my first boyfriend who took my virginity.

Perhaps even more so if that's possible. Having a few relationships under my belt, I can honesty say HE is the best and my loyalty at least in part, comes from that.

The rest is just my character and it extends to all parts of my life, family, friends, job etc.
But to a quality man who has options, we'd rather marry a virgin. Look into history and you'll find culture after culture, religion after religion, geographic area after geographic area who all placed a premium on female virginity.

You think your bf doesn't care? That's fine, but that won't change human nature. The reason why men have this preference is because it's embedded within male nature. Some have tried to explain why male nature is like this, some have offered good explanations, but one thing is for sure - this is nature.

I know it's difficult to accept that your value is lowered just because you had more sexual partners, no one wants to think of themselves as damaged goods. However, this still doesn't change the nature of men and what men find attractive or repulsive. Having had many sexual partners is something that will make you repulsive to most men.




 
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But to a quality man who has options, we'd rather marry a virgin. Look into history and you'll find culture after culture, religion after religion, geographic area after geographic area who all placed a premium on female virginity.

You think your bf doesn't care? That's fine, but that won't change human nature. The reason why men have this preference is because it's embedded within male nature. Some have tried to explain why male nature is like this, some have offered good explanations, but one thing is for sure - this is nature.

I know it's difficult to accept that your value is lowered just because you had more sexual partners, no one wants to think of themselves as damaged goods. However, this still doesn't change the nature of men and what men find attractive or repulsive. Having had many sexual partners is something that will make you repulsive to most men.




I do believe that the ability to bond might be damaged after a x number of partners. Not gonna argue scientific research. On the other hand I believe a truly confident man believes he is the best that ever happened to a woman and that the experience of HIM erases whatever happened in the past. Could write a novel about it.

At what age does a man need to let this go?? Must a 45 year old dude stil be looking for a virgin? How we gonna stop the virgin from modern day fomo? I believe I asked you the latter several times but you never give a clear answer.

Funny thing is , we are all DJs right? So we are soooooo damn irresistible to women that they have no choice but to give it up whenever in the presence of a real man. Is the goal post to simply bang, or is this a conservative marriage forum now?
 

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The reason why men have this preference is because it's embedded within male nature. Some have tried to explain why male nature is like this, some have offered good explanations, but one thing is for sure - this is nature.
I'm quite confident the natural reason us men seem to value virginity is because we believe it ensures the woman will bear our child, rather than another man's without our knowledge.

But the problem is that putting our faith in a woman's virginity by no means guarantees that condition. Once she's experienced sex, we don't know how she's going to respond. Is she then going to get curious about what it might be like with other men, now that Pandora's Box has been opened? And what if somewhere along the way, having been naive to vetting her man, discovers he's really a "beta", then an "alpha" comes along and she starts having feelings she's never had before? Will she act on them?

To ensure a woman bears my child and not secretly another man's, I would much sooner put my faith in a woman who has developed her character, and has already demonstrated it by remaining loyal to her previous boyfriends. I would much, much sooner put my trust in her than in a virgin. She's impervious to "the grass is always greener" syndrome; but a virgin is susceptible.
 

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I simply don't date those men, nor would they want to date me. That's fine. I don't take offense to it at all.

However, a great majority of men have no issue with it, in fact they prefer it and embrace it as attested to by @DoubleBarrel and @Gamisch to name a few.
Correction: Those men do not date you. You do not have leverage in this.

Men that accept or “embrace” women with a sexual history are settling. All of us settle to varying degrees based on the options available to us. In the West, it is highly unlikely to find virgins, meaning nearly every man in the West is settling. That does not make it ideal.

All things being equal, men view virgins as preferable due to higher reproductive value. This is a fact rooted in nature.
 

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Men, if they have the options and access, want both.

They want a committed, virgin wife. And they want to be able to fvck around freely, while she remains loyal.

Any man who gains enough power configures this type of relationship. He has his main woman, and a network of mistresses.

The problem is you have to be very powerful and high status before a woman will even consider putting up with this type of arrangement. And she will still privately resent it even if you’re king of the world.
 

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Men, if they have the options and access, want both.

They want a committed, virgin wife. And they want to be able to fvck around freely, while she remains loyal.

Any man who gains enough power configures this type of relationship. He has his main woman, and a network of mistresses.

The problem is you have to be very powerful and high status before a woman will even consider putting up with this type of arrangement. And she will still privately resent it even if you’re king of the world.
Only a fool and a hypocrite expects from others that which he is unwilling to give in return.
 

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Only a fool and a hypocrite expects from others that which he is unwilling to give in return.
When you’re powerful, you can be a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy is only relevant if you’re not powerful.

Did Genghis Khan care that he simultaneously was a ruthless and strict ruler, but helped himself to half the women of Asia and beyond?

Mao Zedong did the same. As an example. While millions of Chinese starved to death, Mao enjoyed a harem of thousands of virgins.

This is reality. Men are greedy.

Same thing is happening today. Right under your nose. It’s just hidden a bit better
 

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When you’re powerful, you can be a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy is only relevant if you’re not powerful.

Did Genghis Khan care that he simultaneously was a ruthless and strict ruler, but helped himself to half the women of Asia and beyond?

Mao Zedong did the same. As an example. While millions of Chinese starved to death, Mao enjoyed a harem of thousands of virgins.

This is reality. Men are greedy.

Same thing is happening today. Right under your nose. It’s just hidden a bit better
Do you judge all other men through the lens of your own twisted character?

By your reasoning, you can then also be a fool in addition to being a hypocrite.

The wise man's goal in life is to achieve happiness and peace of mind, which none of the wretches you mentioned achieved. What good is all the sex and power in the world, if a man is in perpetual mental distress?
 

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Do you judge all other men through the lens of your twisted character?

By your reasoning, you can then also be a fool in addition to being a hypocrite.

The wise man's goal in life is to achieve happiness and peace of mind, which none of the wretches you mentioned achieved. What good is all the sex and power in the world, if a man is in perpetual mental distress?
Describing reality doesn’t mean I support it.

You can observe human behaviour and be honest about it, or project your own ideals onto it and get angry about it.

The choice is yours. But human nature won’t change.
 

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Describing reality doesn’t mean I support it.

You can observe human behaviour and be honest about it, or project your own ideals onto it and get angry about it.

The choice is yours. But human nature won’t change.
If you don't support it, why did you bring up examples of wicked men to prove your point, as if they are representative of all men's desires?

You claimed all men want a loyal, virgin wife, and also want to screw multitudes of women on the side. But the results of this poll would refute that claim.

Like I asked you: are you projecting your own sex obsession and your thirst for power over other men onto all men?
 

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If you don't support it, why did you bring up examples of wicked men to prove your point, as if they are representative of all men's desires?

You claimed all men want a loyal, virgin wife, and also want to screw multitudes of women on the side. But the results of this poll would refute that claim.

Like I asked you: are you projecting your own sex obsession and your thirst for power over other men onto all men?
Your idealism is causing your intelligence to fail. You’re obsessed with how the world “should be”, rather than the world “as it is.”

You can’t just ignore human behaviour. I’m telling you how humans actually behave and you go into extreme denial. It’s sad dude.
 

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Your idealism is causing your intelligence to fail. You’re obsessed with how the world “should be”, rather than the world “as it is.”

You can’t just ignore human behaviour. I’m telling you how humans actually behave and you go into extreme denial. It’s sad dude.
Instead of resorting to criticizing and patronizing me, you could actually address my arguments, instead of evading them (as seems to be your habit). After all, that's how debating works. But people who attack the one making the argument rather than the argument itself seem to demonstrate they lack faith in their own logic.
 

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Instead of resorting to criticizing and patronizing me, you could actually address my arguments, instead of evading them (as seems to be your habit). After all, that's how debating works. But people who attack the one making the argument rather than the argument itself seem to demonstrate they lack faith in their own logic.
I don’t actually have a position on it, dude. Maybe that’s my cope.

I observe human behaviour. Note what I see. And then accept it.

I spent a period of time when I was younger in your headspace, idealistic and angry that I probably wasn’t ever going to be able to create a healthy family in a world ruined by Alphas. But then I noticed that to change things requires a rewrite of the laws. It’s so simple. But nobody appears to understand it. It’s purely a legislative issue. Elite Alpha Men have changed the laws in a way that has allowed all women to remain on the sexual marketplace forever. Unless you can address this issue, all of your moral bleatings mean nothing to me.
 

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I don’t actually have a position on it, dude. Maybe that’s my cope.

I observe human behaviour. Note what I see. And then accept it.

I spent a period of time when I was younger in your headspace, idealistic and angry that I probably wasn’t ever going to be able to create a healthy family in a world ruined by Alphas. But then I noticed that to change things requires a rewrite of the laws. It’s so simple. But nobody appears to understand it. It’s purely a legislative issue. Elite Alpha Men have changed the laws in a way that has allowed all women to remain on the sexual marketplace forever. Unless you can address this issue, all of your moral bleatings mean nothing to me.
You're a poor judge of character, Pan.

I don't agree with your approach of blaming the government and other men for my problems, or using them as an excuse for failing to create the circumstances and conditions I desire in life. That comes from a position of irresponsibility and powerlessness, and it doesn't lead to happiness and contentment in life. It just makes one bitter and angry, and resigned to their perceived fate.

A man who's in touch with his own power and volition fashions a vision of what he wants and, through grit and persistence, molds his reality to conform to that vision.

Your excuse is that the laws prevent you from creating a healthy family. Yet there are plenty of them out there. What's stopping you from joining their ranks?
 

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You're a poor judge of character, Pan.

I don't agree with your approach of blaming the government and other men for my problems, or using them as an excuse for failing to create the circumstances and conditions I desire in life. That comes from a position of irresponsibility and powerlessness, and it doesn't lead to happiness and contentment in life. It just makes one bitter and angry, and resigned to their perceived fate.

A man who's in touch with his own power and volition fashions a vision of what he wants and, through grit and persistence, molds his reality to conform to that vision.

Your excuse is that the laws prevent you from creating a healthy family. Yet there are plenty of them out there. What's stopping you from joining their ranks?
Like it or not, you live in a legal system. You must abide the rules of the system or face serious consequences.

This directly effects the quality of a relationship you’re legally able to have:

1. You don’t own your kids. The state does
2. You don’t own your wife. The state does
3. The state runs active incentives and propaganda to encourage both your wife and children to abandon you.
4. If you question anything about this system publicly you’ll be shut down in disgrace.
5. It’s obvious that the goal of the current system is to use Men’s desire to have a family against them. To destroy them.

Unfortunately what you’re doing is deluding yourself to the reality of the hopelessness of your current situation. You desire something that is legally currently impossible.

Be rational. You’re a man. It’s your job to be rational.
 

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Like it or not, you live in a legal system. You must abide the rules of the system or face serious consequences.

This directly effects the quality of a relationship you’re legally able to have:

1. You don’t own your kids. The state does
2. You don’t own your wife. The state does
3. The state runs active incentives and propaganda to encourage both your wife and children to abandon you.
4. If you question anything about this system publicly you’ll be shut down in disgrace.
5. It’s obvious that the goal of the current system is to use Men’s desire to have a family against them. To destroy them.

Unfortunately what you’re doing is deluding yourself to the reality of the hopelessness of your current situation. You desire something that is legally currently impossible.

Be rational. You’re a man. It’s your job to be rational.
Have you ever considered getting a diagnosis to see if you're suffering from paranoid delusions? You remind me a lot of a friend of mine who thinks the world is flat and Trump is going to take money away from the very wealthy and redistribute it to the commoners. Yet he thinks he's enlightened and in on the secret agendas of the elites he thinks the rest of us are blind to. But anyone who disagrees with him is ignorant and stupid.
 

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Lol, no correction needed, I already attested to that. That they don't want to date me. My exact words so not sure why you felt it needed repeating unless this was yet another attempt to knock me down, which is frankly getting old and boring, lol...
It is not a personal attack, nor designed to “knock you down.” For the audience, it is to reiterate that women simply do not have leverage in relationships.

And in turn I would not want to date them; I have no desire or interest in dating men who don't want to date me, it comes from valuing myself and a healthy dose of self esteem.
Irrelevant. Men decide if the girl gets the relationship.
 

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Have you ever considered getting a diagnosis to see if you're suffering from paranoid delusions? You remind me a lot of a friend of mine who thinks the world is flat and Trump is going to take money away from the very wealthy and redistribute it to the commoners. Yet he thinks he's enlightened and in on the secret agendas of the elites he thinks the rest of us are blind to. But anyone who disagrees with him is ignorant and stupid.
I merely draw your attention to a legal system that you live in…..and you start talking about flat earth and Trump?

Dude, the Alpha Elites that control your reality have literally turned your mind to mud.

Stay focused. The issue is simple. The legal system you live in is screwing you if your goal is to start a family.

Stop having a beta temper tantrum and focus your mind. Your enemy are the men who have changed the laws. You can research who they are. It’s all men. You fix the problem by getting to the root.
 
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